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Old 01-30-2008, 02:10 AM   #76
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If dual-format players become commonplace, then I would feel very relieved. That would mean I wouldn't have to worry about owning multiple players for every TV [or spending more on a DF player].... plus, this format war section could be banished and all the HD and BD fans could rejoice in harmony.
Full featured and reasonably priced (less than the sum of an SA player from each HDM format) DF players are the practical short term future, for all who want both BD and HD movie playback capabilities.
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:03 AM   #77
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DVD has far greater market penetration. I make up costs through volume. HD is a nische market. Per unit is a bigger concern.

Overhead space isn't as sunk as you think. To give the space to HD, something else has to be sacrificed....something....from high'end speakers to refrigerators that could be making more money. "Opportunity cost."

Variety is good, but when myself and all my competitors have all exactly the same products because there's only one manufacturer in the game...and we're all losing money in similar fashion it becomes a wash and a matter who will blink first and dump the product so I can do the same.

I understand business just fine, thanks for the commentary though.
Why don't you blink first? You pretend to know what the consumer wants. The cheap players are selling too fast? Well then, make a stand and do what's right for Blu-ray.

It sound that you'd just get rid of anything 'low end' in your business on the blink of an eye because the ring up is not worth your trouble.

Maybe you and your competitors have the exact same products because those are the exact same products consumers are looking for. If someone blinks before the consumer, then they'll be carrying one less product that the consumer wants than everyone else.

I understand your eagerness to do your part to hide HD DVD products from the consumer, but perhaps it's best to be patient and let nature take its course and discontinue a product for business reasons rather than emotional.
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Old 01-30-2008, 09:05 AM   #78
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Why don't you blink first? You pretend to know what the consumer wants. The cheap players are selling too fast? Well then, make a stand and do what's right for Blu-ray.

It sound that you'd just get rid of anything 'low end' in your business on the blink of an eye because the ring up is not worth your trouble.

Maybe you and your competitors have the exact same products because those are the exact same products consumers are looking for. If someone blinks before the consumer, then they'll be carrying one less product that the consumer wants than everyone else.

I understand your eagerness to do your part to hide HD DVD products from the consumer, but perhaps it's best to be patient and let nature take its course and discontinue a product for business reasons rather than emotional.
I know what my consumers want. I know what's moving and what isn't. The fact that what you WANT to move ISN'T is hardly my fault.

Yes. And we're all losing similar amounts of $ on it. Your point, isn't one.

And I'd have plenty of business reasons on my own end to do it, not to mention national trends.
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HD DVD is moving, there is no doubt.
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I know what my consumers want. I know what's moving and what isn't. The fact that what you WANT to move ISN'T is hardly my fault.

Yes. And we're all losing similar amounts of $ on it. Your point, isn't one.

And I'd have plenty of business reasons on my own end to do it, not to mention national trends.
Then why don't you do it? Maybe it's because you're realistic and smart and recognize that 2 weeks don't make a trend?
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QUESTION:
Does anyone know if the NPD numbers include Blu-ray disc drives for PCs sold at retailers and/or computers sold at retailers with Blu-ray drives?

i know NPD tracks only retail sales, thus no Amazon.com sales, so I was wondering with all the PS3 confusion (is it a gaming rig, is it a next gen dvd player) whether NPD is also tracking those sales.

If so they are (yet another) faulty indicator of marketshare

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[quote=Changeling;508500]No. Because I as a retailer have to move two or three HDs to make the same money as I did moving one BD. Add to that the additional overhead I have to spend storing double or more the number of HDs than Blu's to make the same money.

Add to that that if I go to the format that already gives me my biggest profits I hasten the end of the war, and I can save money by not having to house and ship and try to sell a fatally wounded product and can actually increase my profits by eliminating consumer confusion and steering them toward a single format.


As for it rising up? What you've seen now is likely as good as it'll ever get. Of course deep cuts and clearance sales are going to move product. But those sales preach to the choir. I seriously doubt any major retailer is going to be replenishing stock once it's gone.[/QUOTE]

What do you want to bet?
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I know what my consumers want. I know what's moving and what isn't. The fact that what you WANT to move ISN'T is hardly my fault.

Yes. And we're all losing similar amounts of $ on it. Your point, isn't one.

And I'd have plenty of business reasons on my own end to do it, not to mention national trends.
Losing money how? Are the players costing you more than what you are selling them for?
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Then why don't you do it? Maybe it's because you're realistic and smart and recognize that 2 weeks don't make a trend?
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Does anyone know if the NPD numbers include Blu-ray disc drives for PCs sold at retailers and/or computers sold at retailers with Blu-ray drives?

i know NPD tracks only retail sales, thus no Amazon.com sales, so I was wondering with all the PS3 confusion (is it a gaming rig, is it a next gen dvd player) whether NPD is also tracking those sales.

If so they are (yet another) faulty indicator of marketshare

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NDP only track a selected FEW amount of major retail chains excluding several online stores like Amazon.com & also do not include Wal-Mart. In other words, NDP is OK for information but to base all your eggs into one basket is just rediculous, and this is why the BDA is using the NDP scan like there life depends on it.
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I forgot that it doesn't include Walmart either which sold 90,000 HD DVD players in one (big) weekend at the start of November.

I would say those numbers mean very little since they are using such a small limited sample.
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NDP only track a selected FEW amount of major retail chains excluding several online stores like Amazon.com & also do not include Wal-Mart. In other words, NDP is OK for information but to base all your eggs into one basket is just rediculous, and this is why the BDA is using the NDP scan like there life depends on it.
If you cant trust NPD, you cant trust any statistic really. You might aswell never enter another sales thread again.

For everyone else, NPD is the source for CE numbers.
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If you cant trust NPD, you cant trust any statistic really. You might aswell never enter another sales thread again.

For everyone else, NPD is the source for CE numbers.
Is this the same source the movie companies use?
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Is this the same source the movie companies use?
Yup, Toshiba too.
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NPD is generally used as a market indicator.

In the stock market, the DOW Jones Industrial Average is commonly reported as the Market indicator. As an example, when the DOW is Down that does not necessarily mean that every stock is also down. It's all relative. The sales game, is somewhat relative too.
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