HD DVD Gain In Market Share After Initial "Drop"

The_Omega_Man

Like Mike Myers of "Halloween," fame, HD DVD can not die!

And hopefully, unlike Mike Myers, HD DVD is not a Hell spawn!

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Super XP

You got that right

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DVD's = 129+ = 124+ = 59+

Super XP

The Weinstein Company is exclusive HD DVD, this is known, but what is not known is what exactly this could mean to Blu ray. The Weinstein Company is not just Weinstein productions; it also includes several other items of interest. First, Dimension Films, this company is currently part of Weinstein, and also exclusively HD DVD, this taken with the Weinstein brothers when they left Miramax in 05. Weinstein and Dimension had a long relationship with Disney because of this. Originally Disney retained all rights to Dimension and Miramax films when they left but in 06 several films which had been produced under Miramax or right reverted back to Miramax when Weinstein was in charge have since been placed under Weinstein Company's distribution rights. To make matters worse for Disney Weinstein owns 70% of Genius Products, Weinstein's primary distributor, who also is the distributor for ESPN, a subsidiary of Disney. Many movies produced under Miramax and distributed by Disney Touchstone and Buena Vista, mainly Sin City, have sequals in development and these would be owned and distributed through by Weinstein. Over time it is expected that Weinstein could reacquire ownership of movies they did for Miramax taking distribution away from Disney.

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DVD's = 129+ = 124+ = 59+

MikeRox

Thats all very nice Super XP, but can I have an extensive list of all Weinstein films in the last 6 months please?

oh wait never mind... I've already got it in my post

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jwebb1970

Would the Tarantino films (PULP FICTION, JACKIE BROWN, KILL BILL) fall under this Weinstein/Miramax ownership clause?

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mswoods1

It looks more like this:

STUDIO SUPPORT FOR HIGH-DEF FORMATS
2007 Box Office Share

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HD DVD: 104
Blu-ray: 126
DVD: ∞

mswoods1

This is great guys. The HD DVD players go from barely outselling BD players in January-November of last year in about a 53% to 44% sale ratio (3% DF)... to in December when HD set-tops go from outselling BD set-tops to being OUTSOLD by BD set-tops by about a 60% to 40% ratio, even with a $100 price difference. And then in January, after WB has left HD DVD and HD DVD has slashed prices on their players so there is almost a $250 price difference... their players are now being outsold in a 66% to 34% ratio.

Hmmm... gee, do you see any market trends here? I guess it's time for the supporters of HD DVD to rejoice like they are in this thread with their trend of falling sales?

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HD DVD: 104
Blu-ray: 126
DVD: ∞

mswoods1

No, those are owned by the former "Miramax," which is now owned by Buena Vista Home Entertainment (i.e. Disney).

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HD DVD: 104
Blu-ray: 126
DVD: ∞

bruceames

It looks like this to the consumer:

Percentage of HD content available on HD DVD: 60%

Percentage of HD content available on Blu-ray: 66%

HD DVD titles available: 402
Blu-ray titles available: 440 (excludes the 30 Paramount titles which are going out of print)

Even if you took away the WB titles, HD DVD would still have 37% of titles available.

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And it doesn't even include the somewhat popular PS3!

bruceames

Of course the PR beating had zero effect on sales.

Also keep in mind that most B&M stores, which do most of the sales, didn't change the posted price that week, so very few consumers were even aware of the new prices. Heck, even their ads posted the former prices. It will take a little while for their new strategy and pricing to take root and for the negative PR to wear off. Keep looking for signs of death though.

Hitachi65SWX20B

I'm gonna take a wild stab at it here, I'm gonna say BOTH! reasons being HD DVD this week has 3.5 sales Of SAL's out of every 10! That is surely going to rise back to where it was, once every See's that HD DVD didn't crawl up and die just because of warner.

crazyal

You haven't been following this thread have you. The numbers released in December were not NDP numbers (I think the numbers you quoted came from Toshiba). These numbers are not a direct translation to those numbers since NDP is missing a big slice of the pie. The posts have been about how much of the missing slices belings to each formats. The only trend here is that the number spin continues.

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Changeling

No. Because I as a retailer have to move two or three HDs to make the same money as I did moving one BD. Add to that the additional overhead I have to spend storing double or more the number of HDs than Blu's to make the same money.

Add to that that if I go to the format that already gives me my biggest profits I hasten the end of the war, and I can save money by not having to house and ship and try to sell a fatally wounded product and can actually increase my profits by eliminating consumer confusion and steering them toward a single format.


As for it rising up? What you've seen now is likely as good as it'll ever get. Of course deep cuts and clearance sales are going to move product. But those sales preach to the choir. I seriously doubt any major retailer is going to be replenishing stock once it's gone.

bruceames

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. Going by your logic, then retailers should just clear out any DVD players priced under $300 because they have to sell several of those DVD players to make the same money as a Blu-ray player. Overhead space is a sunk cost and products are chosen for many reasons besides just profit per sale (for example one is to offer an attractive variety so that consumers will find what they are looking for and not have to got to their competitors to find it). It's furthermore likely that those cheap HD DVD players are selling at a much faster rate which compensates for the lower margin.