Blu Ray craps on customers

HNH · 01-16-2008, 06:03 AM

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January 16, 2008

Blu Ray craps on customers

The recent announcement that Blu Ray may have effectively won the HD format wars over HD DVD took a bizarre twist today.

According to a report on the BBC, continued development of Blu-ray technology will leave all existing Blu-ry customers behind - because their machines are not built to upgrade.

The problem arises because Blu-ray are pushing for a range of new features for Blu Ray machines which are simply not accessible for most existing customers.

Blu-ray developers intend to release an upgraded version later this year, called BD Live, which allows Blu-ray players to connect to the internet and download content, not least video and images.

However, internet connectivity was never built into most Blu-ray players to date, making the ability to upgrade to the new features difficult at best.

The only Blu-ray player built with internet connectivity as mandatory is the Sony Playstation 3.

While Blu-ray are trying to play down the impact on consumers, citing the fact that people were looking for a HD experience first, the fact of the matter is that customers are likely to feel left behind, and let down.

It’s patently ridiculous that the Blu-ray camp appear to have lacked any long-term vision at the start, which could have enabled them to provide further features to all customers at a later date by equipping hardware to upgrade along with such a plan.

Instead, it seems that Blu-ray have put all their effort into beating the HD DVD format, and only then decide what would come next if they looked like winning.

The result is that there are now expected to be no less than three different Blu-ray profile machines is use this year - the original profile 1.0, an updated profile 1.1, and now the development of profile 2.0 with the net-enabled features.

All along we were told that the DVD format war was between two rivials: Blu-ray and HD DVD.

Now it looks as though consumers may feel justified in feeling misled, as the facts of the matter suggest it was HD DVD vs three different levels of Blu-ray format.

Frank Simonis, of Philips and the European chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association, basically states in the BBC article that Blu-ray wasn’t ready to compete with HD DVD at the start of the format war, so they effectively rushed something out just to get a presence on the market.

The result, as we’re seeing now, is that the early adopters who built the original Blu-ray momentum are to be left behind. Mr Simonis is even quoted as making a rather snotty comment:

“The guys that bought the first Blu-ray players are the guys who bought the first laser discs. They know the risks.”

In other words - thanks for pushing our profile, now buy new or get lost.

Not the best message to send to your customers.

http://www.hdtv-news.co.uk/2008/01/1...-on-customers/

The title of the article was too good to pass up. But the article does reinforce what many people have been saying all along.

thrlride · 01-16-2008, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by HNH

http://www.hdtv-news.co.uk/2008/01/1...-on-customers/

The title of the article was too good to pass up. But the article does reinforce what many people have been saying all along.

I don't agree with every point but I'm glad it's getting some media play.

Dr. Jones · 01-16-2008, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Simonis, of Philips and the European chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association

“The guys that bought the first Blu-ray players are the guys who bought the first laser discs. They know the risks.”

That's the second time Ive seen someone from the BDA state this. I believe someone from Fox said exactly the same thing.

hippy fascist · 01-16-2008, 07:14 AM

I've seen about 5-6 different stories on the profiles issue over the last week

After all these claims that there would be no backlash I have to ask the question, do you think that a lot of people have uyet to react because THEY AREN'T AWARE OF PROFILES YET?

Also talk about a Pr nightmare for warner

Warner:We sided with blu-ray because we felt it was best for the consumer to finish the war now

General public: So if you were looking out for our interests why did you pick the incomplete format?

Warner: We didn't recieve a payoff, you can't prove it

General Public: Who said anything about a payoff?

Warner:ah...

tomes · 01-16-2008, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hippy fascist

I've seen about 5-6 different stories on the profiles issue over the last week

After all these claims that there would be no backlash I have to ask the question, do you think that a lot of people have uyet to react because THEY AREN'T AWARE OF PROFILES YET?

Also talk about a Pr nightmare for warner

Warner:We sided with blu-ray because we felt it was best for the consumer to finish the war now

General public: So if you were looking out for our interests why did you pick the incomplete format?

Warner: We didn't recieve a payoff, you can't prove it

General Public: Who said anything about a payoff?

Warner:ah...

The backlash won't be bad simply because there are not that many players in circulation, relatively speaking. The new machines with lower msrp are coming out, and combined with ps3, they will cover a vast vast portion of the market in a few months.

thrlride · 01-16-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tomes

The backlash won't be bad simply because there are not that many players in circulation, relatively speaking. The new machines with lower msrp are coming out, and combined with ps3, they will cover a vast vast portion of the market in a few months.

there are probably over 700000 players affected by this. That's not insignificant.

HD Goofnut · 01-16-2008, 08:33 AM

Sony has really dug themselves a whole with this whole profile thing and all they had to do was wait another year or so and it would have been finished, but no they are too damn greedy for that.

Dr. Jones · 01-16-2008, 08:35 AM

Just wait for round 2 of the backlash. Profile 2.0 players.

rers0613 · 01-16-2008, 08:59 AM

This is just now getting the attention of the media? How long has this been known and denied to be a problem amongst BD goers? It's about time the public knows

TheRedBaron · 01-16-2008, 09:47 AM

Yet another fanboi trolling with flamebait threads.

unotis · 01-16-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRedBaron

Yet another fanboi trolling with flamebait threads.

I disagree, some of the Blu-Ray supporters on the forum might not like this thread but it is something many of us have been saying for months and this article from a recognized reputable source back that up and I for one am happy to be verified to have been correct.

HNH · 01-16-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRedBaron

Yet another fanboi trolling with flamebait threads.

Wow! I post an article and I'm trolling? A quick read of your posts reveals the true troll around here.

8ch-DeeorDie · 01-16-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRedBaron

Yet another fanboi trolling with flamebait threads.

And it looks like you took the bait.

Bravestime · 01-16-2008, 10:00 AM

I would say the Profile 1.0 players will play all future movies. How I read this statement is all the other extra features are useable on earlier profile players.

This is the thing the gripes me about blu-ray. Why did they not add hardware enough to be able to upgrade the earlier profiles to newer profile status. Then it would not be an issue down the road!

Hitachi65SWX20B · 01-16-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tomes

The backlash won't be bad simply because there are not that many players in circulation, relatively speaking. The new machines with lower msrp are coming out, and combined with ps3, they will cover a vast vast portion of the market in a few months.

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Originally Posted by thrlride

there are probably over 700000 players affected by this. That's not insignificant.

I was thinking this too, I keep hearing that blue ray SAL's out sold HD DVD in December. I did a rough estimate in my head and figured HD DVD sold around 200,000 to 250,000 in December. I came to that number figuring they were at 700,000 in November and said they hit or are very close to one million now. If blue ray did out sell HD DVD like the blue side is stating(I've asked and asked for links to prove and never got one though) they would have sold somewhere in the ball park of 250,000+ blue SAL's plus the roughly 300,000 that was out there as of November.
Half of a Million people is not very insignificant considering HDM adoption.

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01-16-2008, 08:35 AM	#8
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01-16-2008, 08:59 AM	#9
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hippy fascist Illusions Michael! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 694	I've seen about 5-6 different stories on the profiles issue over the last week After all these claims that there would be no backlash I have to ask the question, do you think that a lot of people have uyet to react because THEY AREN'T AWARE OF PROFILES YET? Also talk about a Pr nightmare for warner Warner:We sided with blu-ray because we felt it was best for the consumer to finish the war now General public: So if you were looking out for our interests why did you pick the incomplete format? Warner: We didn't recieve a payoff, you can't prove it General Public: Who said anything about a payoff? Warner:ah...

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