Blu Ray craps on customers

apocolypse

You're shifting the goalposts. You've gone from "players have 1080p now", implying that HD-DVD lauched without them, to "what cost". Yes, the 1080i players are less expensive, but the 1080p players (at least for the last few months or so) haven't been significantly more expensive than the 1080i's.

Super XP

You Got That Right

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hatt

The A30 and A35 have an MSRP of $399 and $499 on Toshiba's web site right now(I think they are suppost to be lower now). Isn't that in line with the much too expensive Blu-ray players? The really low prices on these models is a recent development.

apocolypse

Except the A30 is actually going for $199 "right now" as well. That's the list price on Amazon as we speak.

And you're once again shifting the goalposts. Instead of adressing my rebuttals, you're bringing up something separate. Yes, the current pricing scheme is recent (which is why it's current). However, my statement was that the 1080p players haven't been significantly more than the 1080i players.

hippy fascist

he's already said he doesn't even own a player

these blu fanboys are getting ridiculous at this point

hatt

Don't be mad at me 'cause my ship isn't taking on water.

I'm trying to understand the HD DVD or nothing thinking around here.

cbcdesign

It's quite simple. There is no viable alternative to HD DVD at the moment because the BDA are producing players that are crippled either due to format irregularities or the lack of HD Audio decoders. Is that so hard for you blu boys to understand?

Stew4HD

Actually, if you read many, many HD DVD supporter's posts, we all say we'd buy BD if the the BD players met the specs that HD DVD has ALWAYS had. How does that equate to HD DVD or nothing?

Be real here, are you really trying to figure out why we think HD DVD is a valid format with much to offer or just wanting to stir things up?

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hatt

I already know HD DVD is a valid format. The problem is I don't see either one doing too much with both around. If the dual format players come on the scene both might work. Most people aren't going to knowingly buy a player that can only play half the movies they may want to see. It would be easy if HD DVD was the only format and the players were the price they are now, but that is not the case. Blu-ray has the most support right now and the most future possibilities for upgrade in my opinion. HD DVD has no advantage in the playback department. Once the profile 2.0 players are here HD DVD will have no advantage in any meaningful way.

cbcdesign

Blu ray does not have the most support right now. In terms of output its roughly 50/50 at present. Warner still support HD DVD until May.

The_Omega_Man

I will agree, that Warner's move to Blu-Ray, is going to spurn the sagging Combo player market. Well that, plus the new lower priced combo players that are supposedly coming this year.

I disagree with the HD DVD has no advantages in the playback department. You should really study the specifics of the format before you make such statements.

When exactly will the Profile 2.0 players be generally available for me to buy from ALL BD supporting CEs?

When will the media be able to use the Profile 2.0 features?

When will the major studios have the back end infrastructure in place and operational to support the profile 2.0 user community over the Internet?

When will BD-Java be fully implemented and stable on all BD platforms?

When will ALL BD players fully decode ALL of the modern audio codecs within the players?

When can ALL BD players be updated directly from the Internet through their integrated network connections?

Shall I go on?

The answer for HD DVD, to MOST of these questions, was September 2006!

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unotis

There is only one reasonably priced Blu-Ray player coming out that can decode DTS-MA and that is the Panasonic BD50.

There are a couple HD DVD players capable of that.

And in so far as 1080p, most of the newer HD DVD players output 1080p signals and of the older models that only put out up to a 1080i signal, how is that a problem?

Most people don't own 1080p flat panel HDTVs yet and if they do, now most of the new 1080p flat panels just de-interlace the signal and present it as a 1080p resolution picture anyway. And I know some of the very early 1080p TVs did not do this properly but those were very early models and now that is no longer really a concern with most new 1080p flat panels.

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BobY

So you're saying they won't buy a Blu-Ray player either as things stand?

Unless the BDA conciously changes their attitude toward consumers, HD DVD would always have the price advantage and without really low player prices, Blu-Ray just doesn't have a chance as anything other than a small niche format that will dwindle in support like SACD--actually abandoned by SONY, it's creator, before being abandoned by others...