Blu Ray craps on customers

hatt · 01-16-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hippy fascist

Blu-ray doesn't have the features = features are worthless

That goes both ways.

How bout DTS MA and 1080p?

Bunter · 01-16-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by preFUR

I'm curious, where do people get the notion that no one (or most people) don't care about special/extra features and only want to watch the movie itself?

Just looking at the last ten years or so with standard dvd:
How is it that so many movies have seen 2, 3, or 4 releases, ALL of which have sold well, all because each new release has more or different special features? If the public only cares about the movie, why so many Special Editions, Deluxe Editions, etc?

Why have there been so many complaints about "double-dipping" and "triple-dipping" if all most people want is the movie? If no one (or hardly anyone) cares about special/extra features, then no one need worry about buying the latest and "most complete" edition, as long as the original bare-bones release will still play.

If dvd fans want more special features, then I think it stands to reason that these people will expect the same or even more when it comes to a newer, "superior" format. I think most people would expect it to be superior in every way. (I know a lot of people who complained when a dvd release had fewer extras than the earlier laserdisc release (full frame dvd without commentary vs. widescreen laserdisc with commentary, etc.)

Good post. I agree completely.

Super XP · 01-16-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hippy fascist

Some examples spring to mind

HD DUD

But blu-ray has more lossless audio which is better (even though they've never heard lossless since they don't have the equipment to take advantage of it in most cases)

HD DUD isn't even HD, it only goes to 1080i

And let's not forget blu-ray.com's favourite son Jimmy smith: 50 is better than 30

niennumb1 · 01-16-2008, 03:23 PM

Great article! I'm glad this profile stuff is finally getting out there more.

J6P I bet has no clue what they're getting into when they buy a BD player. They see it says Bluray player and they get it... completely oblivious to the ongoing technology enhancements Sony is working on. Can only hope they got that PS3 toy to play their stuff to ensure they get all the bells and whistles out of the discs they need.

preFUR · 01-16-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hippy fascist

Blu-ray doesn't have the features = features are worthless

Blu-ray finally manages to reach profile 1.1 = Bonus view is the second coming of christ

Bizarre, isn't it?

I for one cannot imagine looking at a company's spec. sheet and deciding that one thing is important because the company supports it, and that something else is unimportant/worthless because the company DOESN'T support it. I will not be a yes-man for any company (unless they are willing to put me on salary, and I don't have to compromise my principles by backing their products).

I am not a Toshiba yes-man, nor do I think HD DVD is the be-all/end-all product. I wish it had higher resolution than 1080p (this is not really high definition in my view, just better than the older format), and I object to the slogan "The Look and Sound of Perfect." It isn't perfect, or even close.

However, HD DVD was released to the public as a finished product, and I believe offering products at different price points due to such things as 1080i vs. 1080p, 5.1 analogue output availability, etc is legitimate, as long as the product is clearly labeled on the outside packaging. As far as I have seen, Toshiba has been honest and up-front about these product differences. I am not concerned that the 4th generation units (if the format sees their introduction) will probably have better start-up times than my 3rd generation unit.

Blu ray was released prematurely, since the machines did not have the 1.1 "finished" profile upon release, and there are STILL no profile 2.0 "optional" machines available (it shouldn't even be "optional," since the BDA has bragged about the features, they should have been required, and available from the start). Price and reliability issues have plagued blu ray, disc manufacture is still a problem. If Sony still has trouble making 2 layer 50GB discs, will they ever be able to reliably manufacture the 200GB discs they have bragged about for the last few years? Studio support is still negligible for both formats, since only a tiny portion of classic and blockbuster films has been released. Even if 75% of studios say they support blu ray, it doesn't count unless they actually release a significant number of films in that format. If 100% of studios say they back a product, but only have 0.1% of their films in that format, then quoting "100% support" is a lie.

Qbfinest83 · 01-16-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hatt

That goes both ways.

How bout DTS MA and 1080p?

If you get the A30 or 35 it comes 1080p and I didnt think profile 1.1 had DTS MA or DD TrueHD. I thought you had to get a receiver to decode them

Changeling · 01-16-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hippy fascist

do you even know what the word pretentious means?

because unotis is far from it, he's one of the most grounded people on these forums

well done on proving his point about throwing around terms you don't understand though

And another appears.

hatt · 01-16-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Qbfinest83

If you get the A30 or 35 it comes 1080p and I didnt think profile 1.1 had DTS MA or DD TrueHD. I thought you had to get a receiver to decode them

The more expensive players have 1080p now but the bread and butter didn't.

It appears most 1.1 now bitstream the new HD audio but you can get built in decoders.

I am unaware of any HD DVD player that can use DTS MA in any way. I could be wrong so I welcome input.

preFUR · 01-16-2008, 03:39 PM

Another thing that intrigues me:

So what if someone says the PS3 is a toy. It is, strictly speaking. The question is, is it a good toy? And is it a good value? If you think it is, then great, why worry about the label of toy/media center/game console/whatever?

You may call Fisher Price products toys. Some call them "learning tools." Whatever. If they do what you want and are a good value, then who cares about someone else's label?

On a related note about labeling of products, I have seen people post angrily on various internet forums over whether or not their 720p (or other non-1080) display is "high definition." These people are upset that someone considers it NOT to be high definition, as though a stranger's labeling of their product will somehow reduce or improve the picture resolution of their tv.

My tv is only 1080i. I can scream and rave all I want, but nothing will make that tv into 1080p. And someone else telling me that my tv isn't much better than standard definition will NOT make the picture quality any worse, so who cares?

apocolypse · 01-16-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hatt

The more expensive players have 1080p now but the bread and butter didn't.

What do you mean "now"? 1080p players have always been available.

hatt · 01-16-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by apocolypse

What do you mean "now"? 1080p players have always been available.

For what cost? HD DVD people always focus on cheap and mature from the get go.

Changeling · 01-16-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by preFUR

Another thing that intrigues me:

So what if someone says the PS3 is a toy. It is, strictly speaking. The question is, is it a good toy? And is it a good value? If you think it is, then great, why worry about the label of toy/media center/game console/whatever?

I agree, but on forums like this it's used almost solely to create an atmosphere of "elites" and "not." The impression is sent that your opinion has less value because of that.

Qbfinest83 · 01-16-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hatt

The more expensive players have 1080p now but the bread and butter didn't.

It appears most 1.1 now bitstream the new HD audio but you can get built in decoders.

I am unaware of any HD DVD player that can use DTS MA in any way. I could be wrong so I welcome input.

What do you mean by built in decoders. You mean you can get a profile 1.1 player that has those HD audio decoders on them or not? And I do dont know any HDDVD players that can DTS-MA your right but can you could use a receiver to decode it just like use need now for the profile 1.1 players?

popyto · 01-16-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hatt

For what cost? HD DVD people always focus on cheap and mature from the get go.

$170 on amazon for an a30. Not too shabby.

HNH · 01-16-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hatt

I am unaware of any HD DVD player that can use DTS MA in any way. I could be wrong so I welcome input.

The XA2 and A35 can output DTS MA but can't decode it. So you have to have a receiver that will decode DTS MA.

01-16-2008, 03:23 PM	#64
niennumb1 HD For life! Join Date: Nov 2007 Age: 31 Posts: 648	Great article! I'm glad this profile stuff is finally getting out there more. J6P I bet has no clue what they're getting into when they buy a BD player. They see it says Bluray player and they get it... completely oblivious to the ongoing technology enhancements Sony is working on. Can only hope they got that PS3 toy to play their stuff to ensure they get all the bells and whistles out of the discs they need. __________________ HD-DVD MOVIES: Lost count BLU-RAY MOVIES: Lost count

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preFUR Vertigo on HDM NOW! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 150	Another thing that intrigues me: So what if someone says the PS3 is a toy. It is, strictly speaking. The question is, is it a good toy? And is it a good value? If you think it is, then great, why worry about the label of toy/media center/game console/whatever? You may call Fisher Price products toys. Some call them "learning tools." Whatever. If they do what you want and are a good value, then who cares about someone else's label? On a related note about labeling of products, I have seen people post angrily on various internet forums over whether or not their 720p (or other non-1080) display is "high definition." These people are upset that someone considers it NOT to be high definition, as though a stranger's labeling of their product will somehow reduce or improve the picture resolution of their tv. My tv is only 1080i. I can scream and rave all I want, but nothing will make that tv into 1080p. And someone else telling me that my tv isn't much better than standard definition will NOT make the picture quality any worse, so who cares? __________________ Stereo: Rotel RCD-1072, RC-1070, and RB-1070 Kimber Kable Kef XQ5's Pan. Tau 34" 16x9 crt Denon DVD 2910 and AVR 2805 Magnavox NB500MG9 Toshiba HD-A3 Kef XQ1 front l&r Kef XQ2c cent. Kef iQ8ds surr. Kef PSW3500 (x2) subwoofers DVD: 863 movies plus 131 TV show boxed sets 42 titles. Heroes Season 2 , Band of Brothers, and 22 movies.

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