Blu Ray craps on customers

Qbfinest83 · 01-16-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tomes

The backlash won't be bad simply because there are not that many players in circulation, relatively speaking. The new machines with lower msrp are coming out, and combined with ps3, they will cover a vast vast portion of the market in a few months.

Disagree. There lowering the price of the 1.0 profile players now even when the profile 1.1 comes out the 1.0 will still be lower price. Thats why the BDA is really quite about the 1.1. and 1.0 they dont want to hurt sales of there players since not many 1.1 are out. Also the general masses are not going to want a PS3 as a bluray player. The general public see it as a video game console. To us on the forums and people in the know it makes since to get a PS3 since it is a good value bluray player that is 2.0 ready but to J6P they just see it as a game console

RedSIinPA · 01-16-2008, 10:06 AM

HNH - great avatar - good article.

mobiushky · 01-16-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by thrlride

there are probably over 700000 players affected by this. That's not insignificant.

Cannot possibly be true. Sony stated during CES that there are a whopping 3.5 million BD players on the market as of last week. And in theirs words, 500,000 are SAL. Are you sure that 100% of them are version 1.0?

Besides, this is more of the same stuff that doesn't mean anything. Profile 1.0 players will play all profiles, you just don't get the pip and the internet connection. End of the World!!! Most people don't even care. Well except HD-DVD nuts. I don't think the war is over, but this certainly isn't going to do anything to affect it.

Nikopol · 01-16-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRedBaron

Yet another fanboi trolling with flamebait threads.

I disagree with your view on the thread.

The only thing that is bad about the article linked to and quoted in the OP is the obvious and unneccessary HD DVD bias (like the Blu Ray "craps on customers" headline

). The information that is provided in the article is important enough to not need these rather immature jabs at BD.

It is important, that potential customers of BD are made aware of the profiles, before they jump on the first cheap BD player they see, thinking they get the whole deal. BD does a lot of marketing, which sometimes includes hints to superior and new features. The fact that you need a 1.1 or 2.0 compliant player to take advantage of many of these "new" features is in the fine print, if it is there at all.

It is one of the purposes of HDF to help other people with technical issues. So we (including me) will keep mentioning this issue, as long as BD players with profile 1.0 are around. The goal is to allow forum members and readers to present the information they need to make an informed decision. The goal is NOT to keep people away from BD.

So no, this is not a flamebait thread.

Hitachi65SWX20B · 01-16-2008, 10:23 AM

I think that we are going to see more and more of this in the press for the simple fact that the spot light is on Blue ray heavy now. With so many people declaring blue ray the winner, It's going to be picked apart by all the critics and rightly so.

unotis · 01-16-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikopol

I disagree with your view on the thread.

The only thing that is bad about the article linked to and quoted in the OP is the obvious and unneccessary HD DVD bias (like the Blu Ray "craps on customers" headline

). The information that is provided in the article is important enough to not need these rather immature jabs at BD.

It is important, that potential customers of BD are made aware of the profiles, before they jump on the first cheap BD player they see, thinking they get the whole deal. BD does a lot of marketing, which sometimes includes hints to superior and new features. The fact that you need a 1.1 or 2.0 compliant player to take advantage of many of these "new" features is in the fine print, if it is there at all.

It is one of the purposes of HDF to help other people with technical issues. So we (including me) will keep mentioning this issue, as long as BD players with profile 1.0 are around. The goal is to allow forum members and readers to present the information they need to make an informed decision. The goal is NOT to keep people away from BD.

So no, this is not a flamebait thread.

Excellent post, I couldn't have stated it better!

MikeRox · 01-16-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mobiushky

Cannot possibly be true. Sony stated during CES that there are a whopping 3.5 million BD players on the market as of last week. And in theirs words, 500,000 are SAL. Are you sure that 100% of them are version 1.0?

Actually, it was the week after Toshiba announced 750,000 HD DVD players in homes that the 3.5m figure came from the BDA. HD DVD has risen to nearly 1 million since then. I'd figure a good chunk are now HD DVD stand alones rather than 360 add ons, that would make it safe to assume, seeing as BD players combined sold about as many as HD DVD did that another 200,000 or so 1.0 players joined the market.

Even now I'd wager at least 80% of Blu-ray stand alones being sold are 1.0 models.

unotis · 01-16-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeRox

Actually, it was the week after Toshiba announced 750,000 HD DVD players in homes that the 3.5m figure came from the BDA. HD DVD has risen to nearly 1 million since then. I'd figure a good chunk are now HD DVD stand alones rather than 360 add ons, that would make it safe to assume, seeing as BD players combined sold about as many as HD DVD did that another 200,000 or so 1.0 players joined the market.

Even now I'd wager at least 80% of Blu-ray stand alones being sold are 1.0 models.

I'd say more because there really is only one 1.1 player available right now (Panasonic BD30K) and they have been really pushing the out going 1.0 players lately.

I would estimate that probably 95% of Blu-Ray players are 1.0, unless you are including PS3s then maybe 80%, if they've all received the firmware updates that is (which I doubt they all have).

Bravestime · 01-16-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikopol

I disagree with your view on the thread.

The only thing that is bad about the article linked to and quoted in the OP is the obvious and unneccessary HD DVD bias (like the Blu Ray "craps on customers" headline

). The information that is provided in the article is important enough to not need these rather immature jabs at BD.

It is important, that potential customers of BD are made aware of the profiles, before they jump on the first cheap BD player they see, thinking they get the whole deal. BD does a lot of marketing, which sometimes includes hints to superior and new features. The fact that you need a 1.1 or 2.0 compliant player to take advantage of many of these "new" features is in the fine print, if it is there at all.

It is one of the purposes of HDF to help other people with technical issues. So we (including me) will keep mentioning this issue, as long as BD players with profile 1.0 are around. The goal is to allow forum members and readers to present the information they need to make an informed decision. The goal is NOT to keep people away from BD.

So no, this is not a flamebait thread.

I agree future customers of blu-ray should be educated to the different profile players.

On the other side, DO you not feel also important to educate the HD-DVD customers that buying a HD-DVD player at this time is a higher risk than blu-ray and as of May majority of the studios will be supporting blu-ray?

Might be a good idea for both sides to be educated.

apocolypse · 01-16-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeRox

Actually, it was the week after Toshiba announced 750,000 HD DVD players in homes that the 3.5m figure came from the BDA. HD DVD has risen to nearly 1 million since then. I'd figure a good chunk are now HD DVD stand alones rather than 360 add ons, that would make it safe to assume, seeing as BD players combined sold about as many as HD DVD did that another 200,000 or so 1.0 players joined the market.

Even now I'd wager at least 80% of Blu-ray stand alones being sold are 1.0 models.

As far as the overall NA market is concerned, last I heard it was 1 million standalones, not including the 360 AO.

unotis · 01-16-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bravestime

I agree future customers of blu-ray should be educated to the different profile players.

On the other side, DO you not feel also important to educate the HD-DVD customers that buying a HD-DVD player at this time is a higher risk than blu-ray and as of May majority of the studios will be supporting blu-ray?

Might be a good idea for both sides to be educated.

If you read the postings, most of us do.

We just don't see the Studio support set in stone, it can and has changed almost instantly without warning.

Nikopol · 01-16-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bravestime

I agree future customers of blu-ray should be educated to the different profile players.

On the other side, DO you not feel also important to educate the HD-DVD customers that buying a HD-DVD player at this time is a higher risk than blu-ray and as of May majority of the studios will be supporting blu-ray?

Might be a good idea for both sides to be educated.

Oh, i do agree with you. But since the OP is about the profiles, i have only commented on the profiles issue.

I think the WB/software issue is being brought up in most threads about HD DVD, so i don´t feel much going in the wrong direction regarding this question.

Bravestime · 01-16-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by unotis

If you read the postings, most of us do.

We just don't see the Studio support set in stone, it can and has changed almost instantly without warning.

Wheather it is set in stone it still is a valid point and anyone considering HD-DVD should be aware of this. Why shouldn't they know?

Bravestime · 01-16-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikopol

Oh, i do agree with you. But since the OP is about the profiles, i have only commented on the profiles issue.

I think the WB/software issue is being brought up in most threads about HD DVD, so i don´t feel much going in the wrong direction regarding this question.

I would like to see all blu-ray players have a disclaimer on each player box outlining the profile capabilities. I think this would eliminate or at least reduce customer disappointment.

Changeling · 01-16-2008, 11:02 AM

...that early adopters of THAT had to rebuy because their first players couldn't use disc features like seamless branching, for instance.

The very first HD-DVD players weren't "ready" either. This sort of thing is the price an early adopter pays. It's not new.

01-16-2008, 11:02 AM	#30
Changeling High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 163	Don't DVD owners remember ...that early adopters of THAT had to rebuy because their first players couldn't use disc features like seamless branching, for instance. The very first HD-DVD players weren't "ready" either. This sort of thing is the price an early adopter pays. It's not new.

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Hitachi65SWX20B High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Hockeytown, Detroit Posts: 937	I think that we are going to see more and more of this in the press for the simple fact that the spot light is on Blue ray heavy now. With so many people declaring blue ray the winner, It's going to be picked apart by all the critics and rightly so.