A Plea for a Unified, Blu Future

Super XP · 01-15-2008, 07:29 AM

venomxr8
Stop being afraid if & when Blu-Ray dies a horrible death, are you people that threatened by HD DVD or is it the fact Blu-Ray backers are now buying up HD DVD players due to Best Price & Finished Specs

Qbfinest83 · 01-15-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by venomxr8

Dont you realize that ALL products come down in price over time.

And over time when they do people will buy players. Even if ever studio and CE went blu people still wont buy into HDM until prices start to come down. Until they do there not going to do nothing but just enjoy there cheap DVD. The one good thing about dragging out the war is that BDA will have to jump on getting profile 2.0 players out there and the specs would be finished

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Originally Posted by venomxr8

Will display 1080p and WILL be able to play true hd and DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 when YOUR home theatre system catches up with blu ray technology

Correct me if I am wrong but I dont know if this is true or not but I heard that the profile 1.1 players dont have the advance Audio decoders in them to decode DD TrueHD or DTS-HD is that true

HD Goofnut · 01-15-2008, 07:39 AM

Blu Ray is like that unfinished turnpike everyone keeps raving about then they realize the toll is $1.50. HD DVD is like that new overpass that was built last year and is absolutely free to drive on.

Deja Vu · 01-15-2008, 07:43 AM

To the OP - You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink! Trying to convince anyone to switch religions, political affiliations etc. is pretty much pointless - same goes for these formats. It could be as futile as trying to convince you to support HD DVD.

Me? Well I'm going out to buy some more HD DVDs and at these prices upgrade my player!

Cheers,

Grant

HD Goofnut · 01-15-2008, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Deja Vu

To the OP - You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink! Trying to convince anyone to switch religions, political affiliations etc. is pretty much pointless - same goes for these formats. It could be as futile as trying to convince you to support HD DVD.

Me? Well I'm going out to buy some more HD DVDs and at these prices upgrade my player!

Cheers,

Grant

That sounds like a great idea. Some time this year I would like to upgrade my 2.5 year old 46" Toshiba 1080i TV to one of those 52" Toshiba Regaza 1080p TVs and grab an A35 or XA2 to go with it.

Super XP · 01-15-2008, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Qbfinest83

And over time when they do people will buy players. Even if ever studio and CE went blu people still wont buy into HDM until prices start to come down. Until they do there not going to do nothing but just enjoy there cheap DVD. The one good thing about dragging out the war is that BDA will have to jump on getting profile 2.0 players out there and the specs would be finished

Correct me if I am wrong but I dont know if this is true or not but I heard that the profile 1.1 players dont have the advance Audio decoders in them to decode DD TrueHD or DTS-HD is that true

A Table Comparing the High-definition Optical Media Formats
DVD included for comparison
Mandatory codecs must be supported by the player. Each disc must use one or more of the mandatory codecs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...l_disc_formats

Blu-Ray Profile INFO:

mbernier999 · 01-15-2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by venomxr8

Dont you realize that ALL products come down in price over time. Sure not everyone has a 1080p hdtv or has the ability to decode the new hd audio formats, but wouldnt you like to HAVE that ability in your player once you DO get a 1080p set and an new sound system. Think of when dvd's first came out. How many people had dolby digital 5.1 systems??? not many but the dvd players had the ability to play dd 5.1 and now everyman and his son has a 5.1 system. So yes blu ray is more expensive at the present time than hd dvd but in time the prices will fall and at least you know you are buying into a format with a LONG and successful future ahead of it that Will display 1080p and WILL be able to play true hd and DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 when YOUR home theatre system catches up with blu ray technology

Laserdiscs never came down in price!

RedSIinPA · 01-15-2008, 07:54 AM

the notion that "all products come down in price" is a ridiculous blanket statement - someone needs to review their economics material. There are 1,001 examples of where this isn't true.

RedSIinPA · 01-15-2008, 07:56 AM

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Qbfinest83 · 01-15-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

A Table Comparing the High-definition Optical Media Formats
DVD included for comparison
Mandatory codecs must be supported by the player. Each disc must use one or more of the mandatory codecs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...l_disc_formats

Blu-Ray Profile INFO:

I dont understand. The reason that I ask is I have read on this forum and others that the Profile 1.1 removed the advance audio decoder from there players (i guess to cut cost) and the only way to get it is to have a receiver that has a decoder that has those decoders

Panasonic DMP-BD10
Dolby Digital/Dolby Digital Plus Decoder Yes
Dolby True HD Decoder Yes
DTS/DTS-HD High Resolution/Master Audio Decoder DTS-HD High Resolution Only

Panasonic DMP-BD30K
Dolby Digital/Dolby Digital Plus Decoder Bitstream output using required HDMI™ connection
Dolby True HD Decoder Bitstream output using required HDMI™ connection
DTS/DTS-HD High Resolution/Master Audio Decoder Bitstream output using required HDMI™ connection

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...702#tabsection

LonnyE · 01-15-2008, 08:11 AM

It is not my job to prop up HDM, to rally around polycarbonate, to ensure its success or whatever other cheerleading slogan(s) you dream up. I buy or not buy luxury items based on my own interests. I am not a pawn to be moved by big corporations.

If companies want the money I choose to devote right now to luxury items then they will publish on HD DVD. If they choose not to then so be it. It is not a tragedy. Since I bought into HDM this past June, I have acquired a library of 90+ titles. I have only seen roughly 20% of all title published out of the US so far. I have a very long way to go before I exhaust what is already available let alone that will be available by the time this coming May rolls around.

I bought into HD DVD first for reasons I will not repeat again here. The conditions under which I will make an evaluation to buy into Blue Ray are not mutable. Warners planned switch does/did not change these conditions. If Universal and Paramount decide to go Blue Ray exclusive today, it does not change the conditions under which I will make an evaluation to buy into Blue Ray.

Warner made a business decision. I would respect them more if they were straight with their reasons, but respect is irrelevant to what I purchase/watch. I started working up a list for my final order of catalog titles from them last night.

Stew4HD · 01-15-2008, 08:20 AM

Woo hoo, more "dump HD DVD and go blu" threads! We, the HD DVD supporters are holding Sony back from world domination!!!

Sorry, but I only do Blu in very small amounts. HD DVD is a great format and I will continue to back until I can't! Period!

Dare · 01-15-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gallandro

...Laserdisc suffered a similar fate with both high priced players AND high priced media...

Laserdiscs were never expensive. In many cases, titles were less expensive than the VHS versions. They were in the same price range as Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs are in today. That is, however, one reason why studios resisted them. They were expensive to manufacture, and gave them almost no profit.

Players never made it below $600 though.

gallandro · 01-15-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dare

Laserdiscs were never expensive. In many cases, titles were less expensive than the VHS versions. They were in the same price range as Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs are in today. That is, however, one reason why studios resisted them. They were expensive to manufacture, and gave them almost no profit.

Players never made it below $600 though.

What are you talking about? Lasderdiscs were expensive and averaged between $35-40 for a single disc two-sided movie and $60 for longer movies over two hours or with extra features.

In 1989 Fox released each Star Wars film on two-disc Special Widescreen Editions. Each retailed for $59.95. Later they released the Star Wars Definitive Collection for $100 plus dollars... laserdics were not cheap.... hence their downfall.

Eventually the prices came down after about 10 years to about $25 but by then it was too late, DVD was beginning to rise.

Yancy

mbernier999 · 01-15-2008, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dare

Laserdiscs were never expensive. In many cases, titles were less expensive than the VHS versions. They were in the same price range as Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs are in today. That is, however, one reason why studios resisted them. They were expensive to manufacture, and gave them almost no profit.

Players never made it below $600 though.

Where did you buy your laserdisc's? I still have over 300 Laserdisc's and you could never find one below $50 new, most in fact were between $100-$150 per title and some over $200. If you don't consider them to be expensive then you are not on the same level as the general public. Current DVD pricing is where that bar is at and most consumers are not willing to pay signifigantly more.

01-15-2008, 07:29 AM	#16
Super XP Tom Baker (1974-1981) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto, ON. Canada Posts: 5,983	venomxr8 Stop being afraid if & when Blu-Ray dies a horrible death, are you people that threatened by HD DVD or is it the fact Blu-Ray backers are now buying up HD DVD players due to Best Price & Finished Specs __________________ Toshiba REGZA 46" 1080p LCD HDTV (46RF350U) - (Living Room) Toshiba REGZA 47" 1080p 240Hz LCD HDTV (47ZV650U) - (Theatre Room) Toshiba HD-A35 / HD-A3 Patriot PBO CORE 1080p HD Media Player Panasonic DMP-BDT210(3D) w/ Wifi LG BD570C Blu-Ray Player w/ Wifi Bell HD Satellite Receiver (6131) x 2 Onkyo TX-SR605 7.1 TrueHD/DTS HD MA Precision Acoustics™ 8Ch. Hi Def Speakers DVD's = 129+ = 124+ = 59+

01-15-2008, 07:39 AM	#18
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01-15-2008, 08:20 AM	#27
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01-15-2008, 07:43 AM	#19
Deja Vu We Are Right (WAR) ! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Great White North Posts: 625	To the OP - You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink! Trying to convince anyone to switch religions, political affiliations etc. is pretty much pointless - same goes for these formats. It could be as futile as trying to convince you to support HD DVD. Me? Well I'm going out to buy some more HD DVDs and at these prices upgrade my player! Cheers, Grant

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RedSIinPA hd junkie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Outside Phila. Age: 34 Posts: 899	the notion that "all products come down in price" is a ridiculous blanket statement - someone needs to review their economics material. There are 1,001 examples of where this isn't true.

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01-15-2008, 08:11 AM	#26
LonnyE High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 146	It is not my job to prop up HDM, to rally around polycarbonate, to ensure its success or whatever other cheerleading slogan(s) you dream up. I buy or not buy luxury items based on my own interests. I am not a pawn to be moved by big corporations. If companies want the money I choose to devote right now to luxury items then they will publish on HD DVD. If they choose not to then so be it. It is not a tragedy. Since I bought into HDM this past June, I have acquired a library of 90+ titles. I have only seen roughly 20% of all title published out of the US so far. I have a very long way to go before I exhaust what is already available let alone that will be available by the time this coming May rolls around. I bought into HD DVD first for reasons I will not repeat again here. The conditions under which I will make an evaluation to buy into Blue Ray are not mutable. Warners planned switch does/did not change these conditions. If Universal and Paramount decide to go Blue Ray exclusive today, it does not change the conditions under which I will make an evaluation to buy into Blue Ray. Warner made a business decision. I would respect them more if they were straight with their reasons, but respect is irrelevant to what I purchase/watch. I started working up a list for my final order of catalog titles from them last night.