Toshiba Deploys New HD DVD Marketing Initiatives ...

apocolypse · 01-14-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRedBaron

Because he offered.

Oh....I missed that part.

As far as the BD 1.0 players...I'd view them the same way as any BD player or HD-DVD player. I wouldn't necessarily "warn" them away, I'd just make sure they knew that they knew the advantages and disadvantages of it all. In this case being that some of the extra content in newer disks might not play. The consumer may not even care if they just want the movie only.

Cowboy X · 01-14-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRedBaron

Nope. I would warn people away from a BD1.0 player now. But to those who already bought them all I'd say is thats the price you pay for being an early adopter. Afterall, you don't see people saying that early adopters of DVD got shafted because their players didn't support DTS eh!

What about the people who are buying Blu-ray discs which will likely be remade in 1.5 to 2 years? Only then to reach the level of current HD DVD titles?

**kamspy** · 01-14-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by niennumb1

P r i c e C u t d o e s n o t me a n f i r e s a l e !

I know, but I'm worried about the complete absolute lack of new players at CES.

The sale it fine in my book. I'm buying an A35 because of it

Chris Gerhard · 01-14-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by unotis

Of course they lied, they published they had no intention of remaining anything but neutral and would not go exclusive with either format up until the day of the announcement.

Go ahead and show me a quote from Warner that states that. The quote from months ago that Warner decided that consumers only wanted one format and that Warner was evaluating what to do as a result was often posted here if you haven't seen that. I referred to it and stated I was certain that Warner would end neutrality, but I didn't know which way, many months ago. After that, all I ever saw from Warner was that the company was currently continuing to support both formats, not that it would last forever. Warner also decided to abandon the TotalHD format, another announcement that neutrality wasn't the plan for the future.

As far as all of your statements about HD DVD being the format with the best chance, I will just refer you to 55 straight weeks of Blu-ray software selling better in the US and a huge advantage to Blu-ray in hardware and software sold worldwide to refute that claim.

Chris

Qbfinest83 · 01-14-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

Go ahead and explain why a consumer purchasing a DVD with an HD DVD that isn't wanted should count as a sale of an HD DVD. I can honestly think of no reason any third party that keeps track of sales would consider a single inventory hybrid disc sold as a sale of the HD DVD. Sales of the combo HD DVD/DVD count as HD DVD as long as there is a DVD release. The point is moot, Universal and Paramount aren't going to try it, that would be really stupid.

Chris

I beg to differ. I do not think that idea is stupid. I do agree that it will be hard to track sort of like the BOGO sales (on both sides), however they can claim being customer friendly as they dont intend to have J6P purchase two disc one HDM and the other SDM. Getting Harry Potter on SDM 19.99 and then later on HDM 29.99 will get expensive fast. I personally like combos since I can watch them in HDDVD or flip it to DVD if I am at my mother-in-laws home or our bedroom were I currently do not have a HDTV or player.

Also I dont think J6P realizes how much of a upgrade it is going from DVD to HDM. I think with VHS you could tell because it was a tape vs disc. Now its disc vs disc. They either dont think its worth to upgrade or cant justify upgrading. Really cheap player accompany with Hybrids would let them upgrade for cheap and even though there paying $10-$20 more for the disc they would at least know they can play it anywhere they have a dvd player unlike just a HD player

**kamspy** · 01-14-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Qbfinest83

I beg to differ. I do not think that idea is stupid. I do agree that it will be hard to track sort of like the BOGO sales (on both sides), however they can claim being customer friendly as they dont intend to have J6P purchase two disc one HDM and the other SDM. Getting Harry Potter on SDM 19.99 and then later on HDM 29.99 will get expensive fast. I personally like combos since I can watch them in HDDVD or flip it to DVD if I am at my mother-in-laws home or our bedroom were I currently do not have a HDTV or player.

Also I dont think J6P realizes how much of a upgrade it is going from DVD to HDM. I think with VHS you could tell because it was a tape vs disc. Now its disc vs disc. They either dont think its worth to upgrade or cant justify upgrading. Really cheap player accompany with Hybrids would let them upgrade for cheap and even though there paying $10-$20 more for the disc they would at least know they can play it anywhere they have a dvd player unlike just a HD player

J6P lives in America. HD is "the big thing" right now with consumers. They have the letters HD rammed into their skull when watching any sporting event. HD was not in the vocab during the days of Laserdisc. Consumers will be drawn to it.

Look for Holiday 08 and 09 to be huge for HDM. HDTVs and game systems were the rage the past two years. There are no new game system coming out in the next two years, and many people will be picking up an HDTV with their tax return this spring. I think the marketing will be very heavy late in 08.

niennumb1 · 01-14-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kamspy

This thread would be so locked on AVS by now

But that is why I mainly post here now for HDM talk

This is either a firesale, or a good move for the future of HD DVD. I'm still concerned about the lack of new HD DVD players at CES.

None the less, this sale has prompted me to put the A35 atop my "tax return spending spree" list

Unless I can find an XA2 for the same price by then

Maybe it's because the players don't need further updating cuz the spec is done. I could see more a slim profile player or maybe some little added features. Short of being dual format I don't know what else they could add to improve the latest players except unit startup time? They're all pretty solid units.

Dare · 01-14-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitachi65SWX20B

I'm really starting to think this is Toshibas plan. Call it and price it as a DVD player. Like a trojan horse DVD player that happens to plan HD DVD's

That wouldn't be an effective trojan for HD-DVD. Someone buying an upconverter for specifically that purpose is interested in high def, and that means high def discs are under consideration, and we know where the format war is going. Also, in order for it to work, Toshiba would have to be the only people you can go to for an upconverter.

An effective Trojan Horse is going to have to support Blu-ray.

Cowboy X · 01-14-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

Go ahead and show me a quote from Warner that states that. The quote from months ago that Warner decided that consumers only wanted one format and that Warner was evaluating what to do as a result was often posted here if you haven't seen that. I referred to it and stated I was certain that Warner would end neutrality, but I didn't know which way, many months ago. After that, all I ever saw from Warner was that the company was currently continuing to support both formats, not that it would last forever. Warner also decided to abandon the TotalHD format, another announcement that neutrality wasn't the plan for the future.

As far as all of your statements about HD DVD being the format with the best chance, I will just refer you to 55 straight weeks of Blu-ray software selling better in the US and a huge advantage to Blu-ray in hardware and software sold worldwide to refute that claim.

Chris

There is one from a Warner Home Video exec from early to mid December that says neutrality.

Stew4HD · 01-14-2008, 01:38 PM

Why is this thread being derailed by BD backers anyway? Is HD DVD still a threat to BD? Wasn't the WB decision enough?

For good or bad, HD DVD still exists, get over it!!

Super XP · 01-14-2008, 01:38 PM

Warner did state that they will in fact stay neutral. Warner benefited from both sides in high disc sales. Planet Earth on HD DVD was untouchabe and 300 on both formats sold very well.

Nothing is final with Warner just yet regardless of their so called BD exclusive announcement. They will have no choice but to support the format consumers choose over a game machine.

Price is king in this game and I already know of many Blu-Ray owners are going to buy the new prices HD DVD players for the Universal movies & some Paramount/DreamWorks. I go where Universal goes period.

Hitachi65SWX20B · 01-14-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dare

That wouldn't be an effective trojan for HD-DVD. Someone buying an upconverter for specifically that purpose is interested in high def, and that means high def discs are under consideration, and we know where the format war is going. Also, in order for it to work, Toshiba would have to be the only people you can go to for an upconverter.

An effective Trojan Horse is going to have to support Blu-ray.

Why is that? Toshiba will have the only Up converter on the market that will play HD DVD's! Something that NOT one other upconverter can do "YET". I think that give's them a HUGE advantage over the other's

The same could be said about the ps3's trojan horse too then right? I'll just say I totally disagree with you on this and leave it at that.

hippy fascist · 01-14-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

Go ahead and show me a quote from Warner that states that. The quote from months ago that Warner decided that consumers only wanted one format and that Warner was evaluating what to do as a result was often posted here if you haven't seen that. I referred to it and stated I was certain that Warner would end neutrality, but I didn't know which way, many months ago. After that, all I ever saw from Warner was that the company was currently continuing to support both formats, not that it would last forever. Warner also decided to abandon the TotalHD format, another announcement that neutrality wasn't the plan for the future.

As far as all of your statements about HD DVD being the format with the best chance, I will just refer you to 55 straight weeks of Blu-ray software selling better in the US and a huge advantage to Blu-ray in hardware and software sold worldwide to refute that claim.

Chris

They definately said they didn't want the future of HDM to rely on a games console

Try spinning that one

**kamspy** · 01-14-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by niennumb1

Maybe it's because the players don't need further updating cuz the spec is done. I could see more a slim profile player or maybe some little added features. Short of being dual format I don't know what else they could add to improve the latest players except unit startup time? They're all pretty solid units.

You are wearing blinders my friend.

It is par for the course to introduce a new line of players at CES. Especially for a budding medium.

I'm still going to buy a SAL at these prices, but DOES THE LACK OF NEW PLAYERS NOT WORRY ANYONE ELSE?

Stew4HD · 01-14-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kamspy

You are wearing blinders my friend.

It is par for the course to introduce a new line of players at CES. Especially for a budding medium.

I'm still going to buy a SAL at these prices, but DOES THE LACK OF NEW PLAYERS NOT WORRY ANYONE ELSE?

Are talking about new Tosh players? If so, G3 players have not been out all that long

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Super XP Star Trek: The Movie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto, ON. Canada Posts: 5,776	Warner did state that they will in fact stay neutral. Warner benefited from both sides in high disc sales. Planet Earth on HD DVD was untouchabe and 300 on both formats sold very well. Nothing is final with Warner just yet regardless of their so called BD exclusive announcement. They will have no choice but to support the format consumers choose over a game machine. Price is king in this game and I already know of many Blu-Ray owners are going to buy the new prices HD DVD players for the Universal movies & some Paramount/DreamWorks. I go where Universal goes period. __________________ Toshiba Regza 46" HDTV (46RF350U) LCD 1080p/24p Toshiba HD-A35 / HD-A3 / XD-E500 LG GGC-H20L Super Multi / PC Drive Onkyo TX-SR605 7.1 TrueHD/DTS HD MA Precision Acoustics™ 8Ch. Hi Def Loudspeaker Series DVD's = 200 = 130 = 10

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