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Old 01-14-2008, 12:38 PM   #106
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Check the poll! People move on and off forums all the time. It means squat. The polls are far more telling.
Yeah, all that mass exodus in just over a week? Get real, the people we are talking about haven't just left the forums all together, you can still find them posting elsewhere on highdefforums on in other non-fanatical threads on this forum too!
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:40 PM   #107
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Of course they lied, they published they had no intention of remaining anything but neutral and would not go exclusive with either format up until the day of the announcement.
They didn't lie, you just decided not to believe Warner VP Dan Silverberg, or have the wit to read between the lines of the business speak rebuttles that left them with all the wriggle room they needed to follow the market.
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:42 PM   #108
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They didn't lie, you just decided not to believe Warner VP Dan Silverberg, or have the wit to read between the lines of the business speak rebuttles that left them with all the wriggle room they needed to follow the market.
Several execs did lie. Coming up to the Jan announcement. Rumors were going both ways and exec after exec said the same thing ......... we are staying neutral.
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:43 PM   #109
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They didn't lie, you just decided not to believe Warner VP Dan Silverberg, or have the wit to read between the lines of the business speak rebuttles that left them with all the wriggle room they needed to follow the market.
Are you always so crass? You can sit there and say the things you do cuz the decision went in your favor...
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:45 PM   #110
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Real good rebuttal, there. You are only here for an arguement.. Calling me a zealot for saying your posts are written to cause trouble?? Think again.

Let me ask you this, how many BDs do you own?

Keep up your type of rhetoric and find your place on many member's ignore list, alongside Sti jaguar's as your posts are similar.
You're ridiculous sig alone shows me that you are an HD-DVD zealot with no real interest in High-Def and no good grace in defeat. You should be backing blu-ray now (unless you are about 12 in which case I guess the xbot fanboi attitude is excusable)

Can I go on your ignore list please?
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:47 PM   #111
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Can I go on your ignore list please?
Why don't you just put him on your list? Then you don't have to see his responses to your posts.
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:48 PM   #112
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Several execs did lie. Coming up to the Jan announcement. Rumors were going both ways and exec after exec said the same thing ......... we are staying neutral.
They said "we are CURRENTLY staying neutral" which everyone with a minimum of corp-speak experience knows means "we are neutral today, but tomorrow, maybe not..."
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:50 PM   #113
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You have a very odd way of looking at things MR Gerhard.
If the disk has an HD DVD copy of a movie on it, its an HD DVD movie, end of story. The idea that Nielson can decide what constitutes an HD DVD movie is laughable. You have long toted the idea that a PS3 is a blu-ray player but you say a combo isn't an HD DVD becuase it affects the blu-ray statistics. Typical!
Go ahead and explain why a consumer purchasing a DVD with an HD DVD that isn't wanted should count as a sale of an HD DVD. I can honestly think of no reason any third party that keeps track of sales would consider a single inventory hybrid disc sold as a sale of the HD DVD. Sales of the combo HD DVD/DVD count as HD DVD as long as there is a DVD release. The point is moot, Universal and Paramount aren't going to try it, that would be really stupid.

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Old 01-14-2008, 12:51 PM   #114
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But why would Universal or Paramount bother selling a disc that costs more to produce, plus eliminate any chance of future Hidef pricing (profit), in order to save HDDVD?

If Toshiba pays for one or two titles and Uni/Para accepts not making much money on HD, then BDA will probably work with its own studios to do the exact same thing to even it out. (They can just as easily put in a bare bones single layer blu-ray disc with the dvd. Production cost will most likely be very similar to what a combo disc would cost HDDVD). This would be a preferred approach to me, rather than combo, for three reasons (I think one of these could be fixed by HDDVD with Twin or something):
a) kids can scratch up the dvd and I don't care. They don't get to touch my BD disc.
b) no confusion about how to get the disc to work in a player. Both discs will have artwork on the top of the disc with clear labeling
c) I like to have labeling on the discs (for some weird reason )
One MAJOR problem with that theory, It would require 2 Disk's in the case, One DVD One Blue ray. guess what happends to one of those disks! Its given away for free to a friend or family member and the studio make's no money on that!
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:51 PM   #115
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They said "we are CURRENTLY staying neutral" which everyone with a minimum of corp-speak experience knows means "we are neutral today, but tomorrow, maybe not..."
While I do agree with you, in all fairness WB did at least imply that they were going to be neutral for some time. Comments such as "who knows five or ten years from now", or however it was worded to the nature, does definately imply neutrality for the short to medium term future.
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:51 PM   #116
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At the current prices, it is like getting a med to highend upconverting player, plus the ability to play HD DVD. So actually it is ok to buy the hardware. Does your moral compass let people know not to buy any Blu-Ray standalone player until BD2.0 comes out.
Nope. I would warn people away from a BD1.0 player now. But to those who already bought them all I'd say is thats the price you pay for being an early adopter. Afterall, you don't see people saying that early adopters of DVD got shafted because their players didn't support DTS eh!
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Why don't you just put him on your list? Then you don't have to see his responses to your posts.
Because he offered.
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This thread would be so locked on AVS by now But that is why I mainly post here now for HDM talk

This is either a firesale, or a good move for the future of HD DVD. I'm still concerned about the lack of new HD DVD players at CES.

None the less, this sale has prompted me to put the A35 atop my "tax return spending spree" list Unless I can find an XA2 for the same price by then

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Old 01-14-2008, 12:54 PM   #119
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They said "we are CURRENTLY staying neutral" which everyone with a minimum of corp-speak experience knows means "we are neutral today, but tomorrow, maybe not..."
"Foreseeable future" was said more than once. I believe that even the WHV president or vp said so up to December. And also the statements of no plans to go exclusive were also made in December.
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F I R E S A L E ! ! !

I don't want to hear anyone who buys an HD-DVD player or software after 1/4/08 complain that Warner has screwed them and made their HD-DVD purchase a waste of money.
Price Cut does NOT mean firesale!
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