Toshiba Deploys New HD DVD Marketing Initiatives ...

Dare

Ah, but we can't just leave it at that.

Right now, studio support is tilting to Blu-ray, and HD-DVD is looking a bit dead-end because of it, so if high-def media is a concern, the better upconverter to buy would be one that supports Blu-ray. Otherwise, with HD-DVD being a dead issue, people who aren't into HDM yet are just as likely to consider an upconverter from another brand. There is nothing to compell a customer shopping for an upconverter to get one that supports HD-DVD. It is therefore not a good trojan.

Warner went Blu, and the scuttlebutt says that the remaining HD-DVD studios are not going to hold out for much longer, so people are going to want Blu-ray players. Toshiba giving them one that is full featured at a rock bottom price is compelling to them, and that is the ideal package to slip them HD-DVD as well.

Do you believe that the only way for HD-DVD to win is for Blu-ray to be utterly annihilated?

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kamspy

No. I meant from other CEMs. The Toshiba 3rd gen came around last October or so right?

When, if ever, can someone get a non-Toshiba HD DVD player? (Rebadges don't count Mr. Onkyo and Mr. Venture)

SOBAY310

Maybe this has been talked about before, but how come multiple platforms of movies (HD DVD and Blu Ray) can't co exist the same way Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo do with video games?

Stew4HD

I would have expected to see others long before now. I dunno

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tomes

Because Movies and Music are different than games. People expect to play them back regardless of brand.

You wouldn't be very happy if you had a movie theatre 5 minutes away, but to see Disney movies you'd have to go to AMC, 30 minutes away, because they had exclusive rights to show Disney movies, would you?

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tomes

They won't come now, that's for sure. There is no profit in making players on HDDVD. Compete with $149 players from Toshiba?

It's kind of interesting that the official successor to DVD (backed by DVD Forum), only has one CEM. Doesn't seem all that much like a new "open" format.

If Toshiba manages to stay alive (on life-support thanks to Universal and Paramount), the only other CEM's I see that would bother is someone like Denon or Pioneer, probably making DF players at a premium (high end).

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Bunter

A similar thread there WAS just locked. Actually, it was completely deleted!

Hitachi65SWX20B

[quote=Dare;488225]Ah, but we can't just leave it at that.

Right now, studio support is tilting to Blu-ray, and HD-DVD is looking a bit dead-end because of it, so if high-def media is a concern, the better upconverter to buy would be one that supports Blu-ray. Otherwise, with HD-DVD being a dead issue, people who aren't into HDM yet are just as likely to consider an upconverter from another brand. There is nothing to compell a customer shopping for an upconverter to get one that supports HD-DVD. It is therefore not a good trojan.

Warner went Blu, and the scuttlebutt says that the remaining HD-DVD studios are not going to hold out for much longer, so people are going to want Blu-ray players. Toshiba giving them one that is full featured at a rock bottom price is compelling to them, and that is the ideal package to slip them HD-DVD as well.

Do you believe that the only way for HD-DVD to win is for Blu-ray to be utterly annihilated?[/QUOTE]

I see what you are saying there but its price would be it's biggest problem

you could say that, but the fact that it DOES play HD DVD's and it something that NOT one other up converter can do, Is pretty compelling if you ask me, Its more for your money. An up converter that plays DVD's at 480/720 and 1080 plus play true HD DVD's that hooks up to the internet. NOT one other up converter can offer anything close to that, and the the toshiba HD DVD, DVD upconverter is cheaper then the other's. It sounds pretty compelling now dont it. Like I said before, the ps3's trojan horse would be just as worthless then because it has a Glairing Hole in studio support still, The way its starting to look, That hole isn't about to be filled anytime soon.

Of course not! I never once thought that either of these two formats we going to "win". its going to be a co-exsistance from here on out untill something else come's and woo's us away lol.

bigboar

the difference being toshiba upconverter $75-100, blu ray upconverter $300 and up. Not statring a fomat fight here but I think it is a great move if stores start having them for $75-100 people will take notice and why wouldnt the average person purchase one? they will feel like they are getting a great feature for absolutely nothing.. even the lower end upconverting dvd players are $50....
I dont know if it will help them now or not though, they should have done this a few months ago and we would have probably had a different outcome with Warner.... still, it definately cant hurt..except for the bda that is....I am anxious to see what they come back with

tomes

The only gripe I have with this is that you can currently buy a BD player for $299. I have not seen any deals less than $130 for the A3. If they sell them for $75, I agree, there is hardly any risk in buying this over an upconverting dvd player.

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PFC5

BRAVO!!!!!!!

That says it all right their. The only one this hurts is Sony and the BDA companies, but to the benefit of consumers.

This will keep the pressure on the BD player pricing and possible get the BD price point/features that I require to buy a stand alone BD player. Without this pressure from HD DVD, I do not think they would do it fast enough for me to bother with the BD format or HDM as something would just replace in a couple of years then.

I was saying that with those lower prices Toshiba would ALSO need to secure the exclusivity of the remaining HD DVD studios, AND market them as excellent upscalers now that they are priced like them.

Yes they SHOULD HAVE done this last year before the holidays, and this MAY be too late to win the format war, but if it gets low priced Dual format players in the market it won't matter. Then each format will have to "win" on the merits of costs for both the studios AND the consumer.

MSWOODS:

If the A3 has a street price around $100.00 it will be highly regarded as just an upscaler with the HD DVD playback bonus. SD DVDs boot up much faster than an HD DVD disc. You just have to wait 30 seconds for the player to turn on.

Also, many of the BD-Java movies take over 1-3 minutes just to load the BD movie disc, and they ALSO take a long time to turn on too, so that is not a big issue IMO.

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jugganutz

I'm going back to my RCA video disc...

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oblioman

visited me local CC this past saturday- A2's at $117.00,,,,,called me buddy and asked if wanted me to pick one up for him. His response was if me could get it down to $50 bucks, he would take one. He was a fence sitter until the WB announcement, and now be saving his coins for a BD SA.

bigboar

I would say, just give it a little time. The msrp was just changed today so Retailers are just finding out. I think it will take a couple of weeks. I dont know though, it might be too late but it sure isnt going hurt them. I bt Sony is shaking their heads right now though. I would bet they thought this was done and over and now they have even lower pricing to deal with, and if they cant get Universal or Paramount to come over I see this still dragging on and on... right or wrong, who knows and in the reality of things I dont think either format matters a whole lot considering HDM disc sales for both sides was only around 14 million last year. I see people keep saying to just let hd dvd die so BD can continue the real format war but in my opinion that is a joke when you look at actual #s...

eapleitez

$50? Your friend doesn't know a good deal when he sees it.

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