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Old 01-13-2008, 10:04 PM   #1
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Originally Posted by By MICHAEL LIEDTKE, AP Business Writer Sun Jan 13, 4:43 PM ET

SAN FRANCISCO - Girding for a potential threat from Apple Inc., online DVD rental service Netflix Inc. is lifting its limits on how long most subscribers can watch movies and television shows over high-speed Internet connections.

The Associated Press has learned the change will become effective Monday, on the eve of Apple's widely anticipated move into the movie rental industry. Although Apple hasn't confirmed anything yet, Chief Executive Steve Jobs is expected to make it official during a presentation Tuesday in San Francisco.

Netflix is gearing up for the increased competition by expanding a year-old feature that streams movies over the Internet instead of making customers wait for their online rental requests to be delivered through the mail.

Until now, Netflix restricted how long its more than 7 million subscribers could use the streaming service each month, based on how much they pay to rent DVDs.

For instance, under a popular plan that charges $16.99 per month to rent up to three DVDs at a time, Netflix customers could watch as many as 17 hours of entertainment each month on the streaming service, dubbed "Watch Instantly."

With Monday's change, virtually all Netflix subscribers will be able to stream as many movies and TV shows as they want from a library containing more than 6,000 titles. There will be no additional charge for the unlimited access.

Only the small portion of Netflix customers who pay $4.99 to rent up to two DVDs per month won't be provided unlimited access to the streaming service.

The unlimited streaming option figures to become more enticing later this year when LG Electronics Inc. will begin selling a set-top box that will deliver the content to TVs.

Removing the time constraints on its streamed entertainment could give Netflix an advantage over Apple's movie rental service. Apple will charge $3.99 for movies that can be downloaded and played for up to 24 hours, according to media reports citing people familiar with the company's rental plans.

Letting subscribers stream as much as they want could erode Netflix's profits because the Los Gatos-based company isn't raising its monthly rates even though its expenses may rise if increased usage drives up the licensing fees owed to studios.

Providing unlimited streaming access "fits within the parameters of our overall financial goals," Netflix spokesman Steve Swasey said. The impact of the change will likely be addressed when Netflix discusses its fourth-quarter earnings in a call scheduled for Jan. 23. The company had earned $51 million on revenue of $903 million through the first nine months of 2007.

With more than 90,000 titles available in its DVD library, delivering movies through the mail is expected to remain Netflix's primary moneymaker for years to come.

Nevertheless, Netflix has spent about $40 million on the development of its streaming service during the past year.

The service still doesn't appeal to many Netflix subscribers because it requires watching the entertainment on a personal computer with a high-speed Internet connection.

Subscribers must also use a computer running the Windows operating system to watch streaming Netflix content, which leaves out most Mac users.

Netflix hasn't specified how much content has been streamed since last summer, when management disclosed that more than 10 million movies and TV episodes had been watched through the service. The company says its streaming service has gained the most traction among younger subscribers more accustomed to watching movies on laptops.

Apple's rental service is expected to offer its customers more flexibility, allowing movies to be viewed on the Cupertino-based company's ubiquitous iPod and iPhone, as well as on computers.

Still, most people seem to prefer watching movies on their big-screen TVs — an issue both Apple and Netflix are trying to address.

Apple last year began selling a $299 device designed to transport video from computers to TVs. LG Electronics hasn't disclosed the price of its Netflix box, which is expected to debut in late summer or early fall.
Knew that would happen. Though I figured it would be because of the postage increase.
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I like that deal I used to use that service for 7 dvds at once and I loved downloading from them so does that mean we can watch all we want from there and no limits on the downloads at all like how many a day. Thats a great deal hopefully they have Blu ray and HD to download.
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Knew that would happen. Though I figured it would be because of the postage increase.
I'm soooooooo Jumping on that LG box when it hits the streets!!!!
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:35 PM   #4
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I've watched a few movies using the service on my PC and it works well enough, not nearly as entertaining as watching on my HDTV though. Another thing, out of the 120+ movies in my queue, only 4 are available for streaming, so it has a long way to go to be of more interest to me as a main movie watching option.
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I don't care for Netflix for the simple fact you can't download their movies on a Mac. You would think they would make it so us Mac users could use their services but I suppose we're not good enough.

What are the system requirements to watch movies instantly on my PC?
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How many people will have the bandwidth to watch these things at 1080P ?
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I like that deal I used to use that service for 7 dvds at once and I loved downloading from them so does that mean we can watch all we want from there and no limits on the downloads at all like how many a day. Thats a great deal hopefully they have Blu ray and HD to download.
That's what it means. I'm sure "HD Lite" will show up at some point. Microsoft already offers it on their marketplace (720p with surround sound). So Apple at least probably won't wait too long since they like to compete with Microsoft, and that'll mean that Netflix will have to follow to compete with Apple.

For people with the set top boxes or the consoles (not sure if the PS3 will stream movies from the computer like the xbox will) then it could be very convenient.
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If netflix let me do this on my ps3, 360 or tivo HD, I'd subscribe in a heart beat.

I already have a bunch of hardware, I don't want to buy another box.
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If netflix let me do this on my ps3, 360 or tivo HD, I'd subscribe in a heart beat.

I already have a bunch of hardware, I don't want to buy another box.
Netflix has no boxes. It is a rental service.
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How many people will have the bandwidth to watch these things at 1080P ?
On our satellite internet, it looks terrible and needs 20 minutes to download before beginning to watch. I sure don't and, apparently, never will. I watched one streamed movie and never did it again.
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though the ratio of pcs to macs are pretty high they should have something for mac, but I'm surre Apple would block that out so they can go proprietary or something. Then they'll do more stupid Mr. Mac vs Mr. PC commercials. ugh... I love my PC. Macs are cool looking, but I don't have much desire top buy one with all I've invested into my computer.
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Read the bold text in the article.
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We had a thread going last month about a Warner rep talking with M$ and Toshiba, guess the rumor was the Warner guy walked out. I was hoping that the next get HD DVD players would have included a hdd and wireless adaptor to connect to a router. I was really hoping they could have combined both DL and HD DVD into one box.

Of course I would like to see Blu-Ray do this as well but since they are dragging their feet on getting the live players in the stores and this would be another step and at least another year off. The PS3 could do it if the hdd was bigger.

I really see this as the next step needed to change HDM from a "nice to have but not needed" format to the "up and coming must have way". It wouldn't be hard to modify a HDM player to be able to read a hdd. It would cement HDM so people who do not have or don't want to do DL will still have access to HD content while giving both worlds in one box to those who want to DL or both.
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