HD DVD execs call BS on Warner's consumer has decided statement

Super XP · 01-13-2008, 11:25 AM

First, Warner claims right thing to end the format war since it was affecting SD DVD sales...

Next they claim the poor economy made them do it...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...cc9844f4f9e97c

Now, they're doing layoffs due to the writer's strike (my condolenses to those affected)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...cc9844f4f9e97c

Their fellow execs are calling BS.

http://www.contentagenda.com/blog/15...800019780.html

Quote:

HD DVD backers at CES expressed deep frustration over Warner’s move, not only because it could mean their side looses but because they still have grave doubts about Blu-ray.

“None of the facts have changed,” one studio exec said. “The problems that existed [with Blu-ray] in December still exist. They didn’t go away because Warner changed sides.”

Among those, in the exec’s view, are disc manufacturing constraints, high costs and high consumer prices.
“I think the days of falling prices are over,” another studio exec said. “The hardware is going to be $300, and discs are going to be $27. We’ll see if the consumer buys it.”

They also don’t buy Warner’s stated reason for its move: a purported clear consumer preference for Blu-ray evident in sales data and consumer research from the fourth quarter.

“What consumers?” one HD DVD exec asked, sarcastically. “The numbers aren’t there to show a preference.”

One non-studio HD DVD backer offered a bet that, come Dec. 31, 2008, the numbers still won’t be there for Blu-ray, even if Toshiba were to fold tomorrow.

ClashFan · 01-13-2008, 11:37 AM

Could be, but I don't think that Blu prices will remain $300 and $27, even if Toshiba folds the tent and goes home.

Not only will the vast majority of Americans not buy at those prices, neither will I, and home theater is a major hobby/passion of mine.

Blu prices will come down, or it will never be any more mainstream than LD was.

cbcdesign · 01-13-2008, 11:42 AM

In the UK $300.00 is £150.00 so we would definately buy into Blu-Ray at those prices. We will be paying around $500.00 for a player and $30.00 for a movies on a good day over here.

Super XP · 01-13-2008, 12:04 PM

If you want to see Blu-Ray prices come well bellow $300 than we are looking at a late 2009 to 2010 date for that type of pricing. And if Toshiba was to fold, BD will only go up in price including the movies

ClashFan · 01-13-2008, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super XP

If you want to see Blu-Ray prices come well bellow $300 than we are looking at a late 2009 to 2010 date for that type of pricing. And if Toshiba was to fold, BD will only go up in price including the movies

If they do that, they will NEVER sniff replacing DVD. They will indeed be the new LD.

Sorry, I can't agree. I think there will be 1.1 Blu players available for under $300 by end of this year. Perhaps not under $200, though.

BiggNewt · 01-13-2008, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super XP

If you want to see Blu-Ray prices come well bellow $300 than we are looking at a late 2009 to 2010 date for that type of pricing. And if Toshiba was to fold, BD will only go up in price including the movies

You are just spreading FUD now. The Funai has already been announced to be lower than $300 and the Phillips will surely be below $300 by Christmas time 2008.

niennumb1 · 01-13-2008, 12:09 PM

I agree there. When there's no one else to compete with they can establish whatever price they want. Look what Microsoft did with Windows that drove other companies to make operating systems for a lot cheaper and making Microsoft re-evaluate their offerings. Not like it did too too much, but there's an awful lot more freeware out now that M$ has to compete with and coming up with reasoning why their, for example, $300 software is better than brand X's free open source program.

Not to say that applies to the movie industry that we could start getting free HD movies, but in regard to competition.. if there's no other competitor with a format then they can do whatever they want.

sti jaguar · 01-13-2008, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super XP

If you want to see Blu-Ray prices come well bellow $300 than we are looking at a late 2009 to 2010 date for that type of pricing. And if Toshiba was to fold, BD will only go up in price including the movies

You are the biggest tool on this forum. Congrats. HD-DVD will die a horrible death and it's people like you that is making me love the way this war is going. Waahhhhh!!!!..

HD-DVD is a joke. Keep buying those obsolete disks.

apocolypse · 01-13-2008, 02:10 PM

It is nice to finally see a bit of movement back from the HD side. Interesting quotes Super, good find.

And sti, you calling anyone a tool is probably one of the most hypocritical statements I've seen in a while. I'm curious, how is the disk "obsolete" when it still plays?

hippy fascist · 01-13-2008, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiggNewt

You are just spreading FUD now. The Funai has already been announced to be lower than $300 and the Phillips will surely be below $300 by Christmas time 2008.

Here's a quick lesson on marketing speak

Less than $300 = $299.99

because

$300>$299.99

unotis · 01-13-2008, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sti jaguar

You are the biggest tool on this forum. Congrats. HD-DVD will die a horrible death and it's people like you that is making me love the way this war is going. Waahhhhh!!!!..

HD-DVD is a joke. Keep buying those obsolete disks.

The only reason I might actually like the format war ending is because you will go back to wherever you crawled out of from and cease to come here just to cause trouble.

You're our biggest joke and keep buying into the over priced under performing format you love so much.

hippy fascist · 01-13-2008, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sti jaguar

You are the biggest tool on this forum. Congrats. HD-DVD will die a horrible death and it's people like you that is making me love the way this war is going. Waahhhhh!!!!..

HD-DVD is a joke. Keep buying those obsolete disks.

I'm willing to bet if we took a straw poll on who was the biggest tool on this forum many would put your name at the top of the list

Granted super xp can be a bit overly optimistic, but at least he comes here to talk to people rather than solely to act like a belligerent, vacuous little waste of space who's only hobby is winding people up online.

If you love blu so much, go watch some.

The rest of us would be overjoyed at not having to read your bile anymore.

Dare · 01-13-2008, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClashFan

If they do that, they will NEVER sniff replacing DVD. They will indeed be the new LD.

Sorry, I can't agree. I think there will be 1.1 Blu players available for under $300 by end of this year. Perhaps not under $200, though.

You're taking Blu-ray replacing DVD as a forgone conclusion, and so of course they will lower prices to make that already experienced future happen. I don't think it's that clear.

sti jaguar · 01-13-2008, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hippy fascist

I'm willing to bet if we took a straw poll on who was the biggest tool on this forum many would put your name at the top of the list

Granted super xp can be a bit overly optimistic, but at least he comes here to talk to people rather than solely to act like a belligerent, vacuous little waste of space who's only hobby is winding people up online.

If you love blu so much, go watch some.

The rest of us would be overjoyed at not having to read your bile anymore.

Add another idiot to the list why it is so great that this horrible product is dieing a slow and sad death.

HD Goofnut · 01-13-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sti jaguar

Add another idiot to the list why it is so great that this horrible product is dieing a slow and sad death.

If we had impeachment on this site I guarantee you this imbecile would be the first to go.

01-13-2008, 11:37 AM	#2
ClashFan Joe Strummer Lives! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 1,337	Could be, but I don't think that Blu prices will remain $300 and $27, even if Toshiba folds the tent and goes home. Not only will the vast majority of Americans not buy at those prices, neither will I, and home theater is a major hobby/passion of mine. Blu prices will come down, or it will never be any more mainstream than LD was. __________________ My gear: Samsung LN46A650 -- 46" 120 Hz Onkyo TX-SR674 receiver JBL Venue fronts, Infinity TSS-1100 center Infinity TSS-1100 surrounds and rear surrounds JBL SUB12 subwoofer Toshiba HD-XA2 HD DVD player (firmware 2.7) (100+ HD DVDs) Sony BDP-S550 BD player (51 BDs) Xbox 360 game console Comcast Motorola 6412 HDTV cable box Logitech Harmony 550 Remote 1 wife, 2 sons (ages 15 and 8)

01-13-2008, 12:04 PM	#4
Super XP Star Trek: The Movie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto, ON. Canada Posts: 5,866	If you want to see Blu-Ray prices come well bellow $300 than we are looking at a late 2009 to 2010 date for that type of pricing. And if Toshiba was to fold, BD will only go up in price including the movies __________________ Toshiba REGZA 46" 1080p LCD HDTV (46RF350U) - (Living Room) Toshiba REGZA 47" 1080p 240Hz LCD HDTV (47ZV650U) - (Theatre Room) Toshiba HD-A35 / HD-A3 / XD-E500 / DR7 Patriot Box Office AIO HiDef 1080p Media Player LG GGC-H20L Super Multi / PC Drive Onkyo TX-SR605 7.1 TrueHD/DTS HD MA Precision Acoustics™ 8Ch. Hi Def Speakers DVD's = 200 = 130 = 22 HAF-932 Red Dragon MOD http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/2442.html

01-13-2008, 12:09 PM	#7
niennumb1 HD For life! Join Date: Nov 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 648	I agree there. When there's no one else to compete with they can establish whatever price they want. Look what Microsoft did with Windows that drove other companies to make operating systems for a lot cheaper and making Microsoft re-evaluate their offerings. Not like it did too too much, but there's an awful lot more freeware out now that M$ has to compete with and coming up with reasoning why their, for example, $300 software is better than brand X's free open source program. Not to say that applies to the movie industry that we could start getting free HD movies, but in regard to competition.. if there's no other competitor with a format then they can do whatever they want. __________________ HD-DVD MOVIES: Lost count BLU-RAY MOVIES: Lost count

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01-13-2008, 11:42 AM	#3
cbcdesign High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Somerset, UK Posts: 1,372	In the UK $300.00 is £150.00 so we would definately buy into Blu-Ray at those prices. We will be paying around $500.00 for a player and $30.00 for a movies on a good day over here.

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apocolypse High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 453	It is nice to finally see a bit of movement back from the HD side. Interesting quotes Super, good find. And sti, you calling anyone a tool is probably one of the most hypocritical statements I've seen in a while. I'm curious, how is the disk "obsolete" when it still plays?