People still seem to be buying HDDVD players

**bruceames** · 01-13-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scsa

oh sorry didn't know.

I didn't know either, that when I bought the XA2, I read just minutes later that G3 MSRP player prices were slashed dramatically. Given that breathes new life into the format, I regretted buying the player as a backup in case the format fails very soon and I'll be stuck 5 years later with a lesser player for my collection.

But oh well, it's a good price for a new XA2, and they are the top of the line.

scsa · 01-13-2008, 08:02 PM

in a few weeks i might have to get the 9 movie player from value just to see incase hd might win which I doubt but maybe it will I have a ps3 for Blu so right now I don't need a BD SAL anytime soon but I might get the under 140 HD player. Thanks for that website.

brianh · 01-13-2008, 09:39 PM

I see that people are buyin gmore and more hd dvd players now with the lower prices.

People can say that will entice some studios to think about supporting hd dvd. I don't know.

I picture Sony (and their web bots on these forums) getting scared and going into their bank to (again) buy off studios from going red.
That seems to be their only real strategy.

Give Fox 120 mill. give WB $430 mill. Done.
Sales, who cares about sales! We got the money!

I wonder if sales mean anything when studios just go for the largest payout. And Toshiba seems shy about dishing out the benjamins.

I hope I'm wrong.
Toshiba MUST give money to these studios! They must know that right?

CapBBeard · 01-13-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by brianh

I picture Sony (and their web bots on these forums) getting scared and going into their bank to (again) buy off studios from going red.

I don't think Sony can just keep on pulling out money. I wouldn't be surprised if they blew a massive amount on Warner thinking it would end the war. They probably still have to shell out for replication lines.

I think Toshiba's wallet will be a lot more healthy at the moment.

brianh · 01-13-2008, 09:52 PM

Yeah well maybe Toshiba wants to keep it that way.
They NEED to pay some studios.

Cutting prices won't do it.

CapBBeard · 01-13-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brianh

Yeah well maybe Toshiba wants to keep it that way.
They NEED to pay some studios.

Cutting prices won't do it.

What's to say they haven't already done so? (In Para/Uni's case at least). The first step is to secure those two.

tvine2000 · 01-13-2008, 10:14 PM

hd dvd needs to do what the giants did to dallas!

tvine2000 · 01-13-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CapBBeard

What's to say they haven't already done so? (In Para/Uni's case at least). The first step is to secure those two.

i just don't like what para/uni said.
''our current plan is to support hd dvd''
there covering there asses

CapBBeard · 01-13-2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tvine2000

i just don't like what para/uni said.
''our current plan is to support hd dvd''
there covering there asses

I don't like what they said that much either; I'm hoping they actually come out with something strong this week. Last week was probably a bit up in the air. I just hope they're sticking to their guns.

dontknowjack · 01-13-2008, 11:46 PM

I say if Panasonic BD50 sells for $299, BD side can squash HD-DVD. If all the future BD-Live 2.0 players comes out swinging with such lower prices, they can destroy any chance of HD-DVD rising up again. But than I doubt Sony and BD will do that. Thus they will give some chance of HD-DVD bouncing back. I know that is what I will do if I was BD. Than when HD-DVD is defeated, they can perhaps raise the price back up again. What do you BD fans think about that idea? I know I will definitely buy any 2.0 BD player for that price.

Bravestime · 01-13-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dontknowjack

I say if Panasonic BD50 sells for $299, BD side can squash HD-DVD. If all the future BD-Live 2.0 players comes out swinging with such lower prices, they can destroy any chance of HD-DVD rising up again. But than I doubt Sony and BD will do that. Thus they will give some chance of HD-DVD bouncing back. I know that is what I will do if I was BD. Than when HD-DVD is defeated, they can perhaps raise the price back up again. What do you BD fans think about that idea? I know I will definitely buy any 2.0 BD player for that price.

I don't see this happening. It would be nice, but figure a street price of around $600-700. I believe the blu-ray player competition will reduce player prices as time goes on. With WB moving exclusively to blu, there is no incentive to reduce blu players drastically as HD-DVD has.

Super XP · 01-13-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dontknowjack

I say if Panasonic BD50 sells for $299, BD side can squash HD-DVD. If all the future BD-Live 2.0 players comes out swinging with such lower prices, they can destroy any chance of HD-DVD rising up again. But than I doubt Sony and BD will do that. Thus they will give some chance of HD-DVD bouncing back. I know that is what I will do if I was BD. Than when HD-DVD is defeated, they can perhaps raise the price back up again. What do you BD fans think about that idea? I know I will definitely buy any 2.0 BD player for that price.

All HD DVD needs to do is release one good movie title on TLTwin with no SD DVD version on its own and the BDA can kiss all 2006 & 2007 movie selling average Good Bye. HD DVD would hold more than a 1000:1 movie average with just one movie.
It's game over and studios would be looking into wanting to join in the fun.

I really think the DVD Forum was planning on using the TLTwin & TL51 as a back-up option, they are not in the market in letting Sony win there format war which is HD DVD vs. SD DVD.

If the TLTwin comes out Sony is in big trouble

Baron79 · 01-14-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

If the TLTwin comes out Sony is in big trouble

I agree , but can't they release Beowulf or Bee Movie on a HD DVD\DVD Combo only?

I know they don't want to mess with regular DVD sales but if they want to go all out for HD DVD they could consider it , no?

Cowboy X · 01-14-2008, 12:28 AM

I am sorry I didn't get a HD A35 at these new prices.

The_Omega_Man · 01-14-2008, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

All HD DVD needs to do is release one good movie title on TLTwin with no SD DVD version on its own and the BDA can kiss all 2006 & 2007 movie selling average Good Bye. HD DVD would hold more than a 1000:1 movie average with just one movie.
It's game over and studios would be looking into wanting to join in the fun.

I really think the DVD Forum was planning on using the TLTwin & TL51 as a back-up option, they are not in the market in letting Sony win there format war which is HD DVD vs. SD DVD.

If the TLTwin comes out Sony is in big trouble

These are all Big Ifs!

A bigger if is simply IF Universal and or Paramount were to release titles ONLY on HD DVD combo or Twin formats, with no DVD SKU at all, from some point forward and at a reasonable price point (Say $19.99 MSRP), then they would "Win," some sales weeks, but not as many as you may think because the whole disc sales accounting system would need to be adjusted to better account for the number of new discs that are actually being used in HD DVD players. Otherwise, the sales numbers would be massively disproportionate and rendered useless for the retail industry.

This has been one of the potential secret weapons in the HD DVD arsenal, however, the disc production costs are still too high to make this a reality soon, I suspect.

This would be a great boon for the HD DVD camp however!

If Universal and Paramount/DW are solidly in the HD DVD camp (for a while longer at least), then Toshiba can continue to execute their original plan for DVD dominance. Get the players in to peoples hands and the people will drive the market. They have 4+ months of Warner content to leverage still. Better get crackin Toshiba!

Phase 1 - Complete. Permanent HD DVD player price drop and marketing blitz , both to commence immediately!

Phase 2 - Get very early adopters to replace their Gen 1 equipment...Strategic for the potential sucess of the TL51 disc format, so that no man, woman or child is left behind! Convince disc production houses to upgrade their equipment to be able to create TL51 discs in large volumes.

Phase 3 - Continue the marketing blitz. Every other commercial on any and all HD stations is an HD DVD is great, commercial with in your face marketing (a la Sony). Update the in-store End caps with a kick ass audio 5.1 system and the latest Toshiba displays. Convince Universal and Paramount to trial a TL51 only deployment on a catalog title. (Way Too risky to do on a new release, IMO). Give M$ an equity share in the HD DVD hardware, and watch the marketing master work it's magic! God help anyone who gets in the way of M$ making some real money!

Phase 4 - Court Disney, Warner and Fox again! Be aggressive and show the success of all of the marketing that has been occuring for the past quarter.

Phase 5 - If any major studios should shift their position either in part or in full, Declare BD Dead in all of the trade mags!...(oh did that come out loud!?!..opps, sorry just wishfull thinking on my part!) Convince them to release in the TWIN format as well.

Phase 6 - Heavily court the big name CE mfgs. to get them making their OWN HD DVD players. Get the portable players off the drawing boards and into the market, along with making some deals with the auto makers for factory and after market installed HD DVD systems!

Phase 7 - Integrate wireless networking into the 4th Gen. Toshiba HD DVD players along with 7.1 analog outputs on the high end Toshiba and 3rd party players.

Phase 8 - As the HDM market begins to come around to HD DVD again and the movie studios begin to see through the blu-haze, they will begin to want a piece of the HD DVD pie again. Make some deals with the major retailers to get more HD DVD media exposure at the consumer's eye level. Get the HD DVD burners into the market space for desktops and laptops.

Phase 9 & 10 - Rake in the dough for as long as this HDM market lasts. Continue to work with the studios to get the best titles out on HD DVD, that will showcase it's obvious strengths.

Wwwhat?! is that my alarm clock going off?? Is it time to wake up already? Wow, I had the most amazing dream!

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scsa High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,162	in a few weeks i might have to get the 9 movie player from value just to see incase hd might win which I doubt but maybe it will I have a ps3 for Blu so right now I don't need a BD SAL anytime soon but I might get the under 140 HD player. Thanks for that website.

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brianh High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,023	I see that people are buyin gmore and more hd dvd players now with the lower prices. People can say that will entice some studios to think about supporting hd dvd. I don't know. I picture Sony (and their web bots on these forums) getting scared and going into their bank to (again) buy off studios from going red. That seems to be their only real strategy. Give Fox 120 mill. give WB $430 mill. Done. Sales, who cares about sales! We got the money! I wonder if sales mean anything when studios just go for the largest payout. And Toshiba seems shy about dishing out the benjamins. I hope I'm wrong. Toshiba MUST give money to these studios! They must know that right?

01-13-2008, 09:52 PM	#65
brianh High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,023	Yeah well maybe Toshiba wants to keep it that way. They NEED to pay some studios. Cutting prices won't do it.

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tvine2000 High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: vermont Age: 63 Posts: 1,207	hd dvd needs to do what the giants did to dallas!

01-13-2008, 11:46 PM	#70
dontknowjack High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 949	I say if Panasonic BD50 sells for $299, BD side can squash HD-DVD. If all the future BD-Live 2.0 players comes out swinging with such lower prices, they can destroy any chance of HD-DVD rising up again. But than I doubt Sony and BD will do that. Thus they will give some chance of HD-DVD bouncing back. I know that is what I will do if I was BD. Than when HD-DVD is defeated, they can perhaps raise the price back up again. What do you BD fans think about that idea? I know I will definitely buy any 2.0 BD player for that price.

01-14-2008, 12:28 AM	#74
Cowboy X High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 948	I am sorry I didn't get a HD A35 at these new prices.