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Old 01-08-2008, 03:21 PM   #31
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Of course we can only guess but it appears the LionsGate executive that stated some time ago that Warner would change to Blu-ray exclusively knew what he was talking about. It may be he just understood the criteria Warner would use which meant it had to be Blu or he had heard some statements from a source that knew.

Right now, without reading the Paramount contract which I always believed had to have some HD DVD market performance requirement, we can't know the likely timing of a Paramount move to Blu, either exclusively or as a neutral software provider. We should all be able to see the obvious, all of these companies want Blu-ray to supplement DVD profits now, it is desperately needed. HD DVD with two major studios and under a million players can't do anything to help and can only hurt. Universal and Paramount are both going Blu, only the time frame remains to be understood.

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I'm sure any contract's that Paramount signed may have benckmarts to reach, doubt HD DVD didn't reach that. It might have a clause about another studio dropping HD DVD but I'm sure Toshiba put safeguards in it as well for them.

So Chris you're saying that it's true that a Lionsgate exec knew of Warners plans before Warner issued a press statement saying they supported both formats. So you agree Warner mislead the buying public each time they said that.
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BTW this is current news, they just updated the story a few minutes ago.

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Yes maybe ... and maybe it's just like Warner who a few days before their big announcement swore to all that they would remain neutral for the next years to come ...
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I honestly too think that the Lionsgate guy just put out some wishful thinking (and if you are paranoid, possibly plant the seed of perception they would go that way). I believe the insiders that says it was up in the air until the last minute, when Fox decided to stay Blu.
I agree.

The only other possibility to the LG guy saying this was that they already had worked out a phony "Fox pulling out at the last minute" game plan to GET Warner to go BD.

I still think there is a 50/50 chance Fox pulled that to either get more money from the BDA or it was just to trick Warner to go BD when Fox fell through.

Maybe we will never KNOW what happened in this regard, but I think sooner or later the truth will come out.
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I agree.

The only other possibility to the LG guy saying this was that they already had worked out a phony "Fox pulling out at the last minute" game plan to GET Warner to go BD.

I still think there is a 50/50 chance Fox pulled that to either get more money from the BDA or it was just to trick Warner to go BD when Fox fell through.

Maybe we will never KNOW what happened in this regard, but I think sooner or later the truth will come out.
Unless it was about money (which it usually is), I think Fox then might as well have told WB they would never switch, and WB would have chosen them earlier.
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Unless it was about money (which it usually is), I think Fox then might as well have told WB they would never switch, and WB would have chosen them earlier.
I doubt it would have worked if Fox told Warner they never planned to go to HD DVD. Are we talking about the same thing here?
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I doubt it would have worked if Fox told Warner they never planned to go to HD DVD. Are we talking about the same thing here?
hehe my head spins with all these rumors, but I think so. I take it you mean that pressure, and perhaps Warner deciding earlier to make a decision before CES either way could have pushed them to make a last minute decision on who to go with.
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hehe my head spins with all these rumors, but I think so. I take it you mean that pressure, and perhaps Warner deciding earlier to make a decision before CES either way could have pushed them to make a last minute decision on who to go with.
It does give you a headache huh? I thought I was alone in that regard.

Here is what I was saying:

1. BDA knows that Warner is worried about the HD format war going on so long that it kills HDM but slows down SD DVD so much that they lose money on that with people waiting for the war to be over before they jump in.

2. The BDA develop an devious plan to show Warner how the war can be won by having Fox pretend to go HD DVD exclusive with Warner to end the war.

3. The other BD studios know about this plan but can never actually admit to this because that would be illegal, so they have the Lions Gate exec float a rumor about Warner going BD exclusive to hurt /slow down HD DVD during the holiday buying season after the big $98.00 sale on 11/2/07, while they set the plan in motion.

4. Warner is saying that they want the war over to save HDM and tell the HD DVD PG that they must get another BD studio to go with them so that the war ends.

5. Toshiba et al, go to the BD studios to try and make this happen and Fox agrees (knowing they would not), so that the plan is set in motion. They also do this to get money/incentives to cover the higher costs of BD disc mfg that might have expired for them which is why they were very slow BD releases along with the problems they had with the recent BD+ BD titles they released.

6. Fox goes to Sony/BDA at the 11th hour (but still has time to back out of the HD DVD deal as they have not signed yet other than a loose letter of intent) to tell them about the deal BEFORE they make the final decision.

7. Sony makes them an offer to stay in regard to money and/or BD royalty/disc mfg concessions, and they take it and inform Warner/Toshiba they are staying with BD.

8. It is too late to turn Disney who says they want to wait until 3/2008 to go HD DVD exclusive, but Warner says time is of the essence and that is too long.

9. Warner wants the war over to try to salvage HDM as they feel it is in jeopardy and so is sales of SD DVD, so they announce they are going BD only to end the war.

How does that sound for a conspiracy theory with some likely facts mixed in?
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It does give you a headache huh? I thought I was alone in that regard.

Here is what I was saying:

1. BDA knows that Warner is worried about the HD format war going on so long that it kills HDM but slows down SD DVD so much that they lose money on that with people waiting for the war to be over before they jump in.

2. The BDA develop an devious plan to show Warner how the war can be won by having Fox pretend to go HD DVD exclusive with Warner to end the war.

3. The other BD studios know about this plan but can never actually admit to this because that would be illegal, so they have the Lions Gate exec float a rumor about Warner going BD exclusive to hurt /slow down HD DVD during the holiday buying season after the big $98.00 sale on 11/2/07, while they set the plan in motion.

4. Warner is saying that they want the war over to save HDM and tell the HD DVD PG that they must get another BD studio to go with them so that the war ends.

5. Toshiba et al, go to the BD studios to try and make this happen and Fox agrees (knowing they would not), so that the plan is set in motion. They also do this to get money/incentives to cover the higher costs of BD disc mfg that might have expired for them which is why they were very slow BD releases along with the problems they had with the recent BD+ BD titles they released.

6. Fox goes to Sony/BDA at the 11th hour (but still has time to back out of the HD DVD deal as they have not signed yet other than a loose letter of intent) to tell them about the deal BEFORE they make the final decision.

7. Sony makes them an offer to stay in regard to money and/or BD royalty/disc mfg concessions, and they take it and inform Warner/Toshiba they are staying with BD.

8. It is too late to turn Disney who says they want to wait until 3/2008 to go HD DVD exclusive, but Warner says time is of the essence and that is too long.

9. Warner wants the war over to try to salvage HDM as they feel it is in jeopardy and so is sales of SD DVD, so they announce they are going BD only to end the war.

How does that sound for a conspiracy theory with some likely facts mixed in?
Did number 8 come from RDjams little newsletter?
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Did number 8 come from RDjams little newsletter?
No. I was almost sure that it was Fox all along but it was getting that newsletter combined with getting some other info from an insider that basically said that Fox was the one moving to HD DVD with Warner, and that Disney is still with BD only for the time being. Item 8 above about Disney was to say that they are not going anywhere without a lot 500+ million if at all possible. Disney waiting until 3/2008 was from a third source, which may not even be very reliable.

That is why I posted about the reasons that Fox MIGHT go HD DVD exclusive. I believed it was most likely Fox was the studio moving with Warner to HD DVD. When I got that newsletter it just made me think it was likely to happen, which is WHY I started that thread, based on the newsletter. I couldn't and won't reveal the insider that I learned all this from. Even if he has already posted what he told me just in case he ever gets repercussion from speaking about it. I do not want to contribute to that possibility.

Look back to about 5:00am on last Friday morning. I posted that that day was the day, because I got new late Thursday night that a decision was made by Warner. Here it is:

http://www.highdefforum.com/showthre...074#post471074

I was very cautious about saying it as fact since I didn't want to cause too much of a stink on the outside chance they didn't change from neutral. My source said there was a slight chance they would stay neutral so with everything/rumors posted before and the problems it caused, I want to just start more. I thought it better to be discussion based instead of rumor based.
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It does give you a headache huh? I thought I was alone in that regard.

Here is what I was saying:

1. BDA knows that Warner is worried about the HD format war going on so long that it kills HDM but slows down SD DVD so much that they lose money on that with people waiting for the war to be over before they jump in.

2. The BDA develop an devious plan to show Warner how the war can be won by having Fox pretend to go HD DVD exclusive with Warner to end the war.

3. The other BD studios know about this plan but can never actually admit to this because that would be illegal, so they have the Lions Gate exec float a rumor about Warner going BD exclusive to hurt /slow down HD DVD during the holiday buying season after the big $98.00 sale on 11/2/07, while they set the plan in motion.

4. Warner is saying that they want the war over to save HDM and tell the HD DVD PG that they must get another BD studio to go with them so that the war ends.

5. Toshiba et al, go to the BD studios to try and make this happen and Fox agrees (knowing they would not), so that the plan is set in motion. They also do this to get money/incentives to cover the higher costs of BD disc mfg that might have expired for them which is why they were very slow BD releases along with the problems they had with the recent BD+ BD titles they released.

6. Fox goes to Sony/BDA at the 11th hour (but still has time to back out of the HD DVD deal as they have not signed yet other than a loose letter of intent) to tell them about the deal BEFORE they make the final decision.

7. Sony makes them an offer to stay in regard to money and/or BD royalty/disc mfg concessions, and they take it and inform Warner/Toshiba they are staying with BD.

8. It is too late to turn Disney who says they want to wait until 3/2008 to go HD DVD exclusive, but Warner says time is of the essence and that is too long.

9. Warner wants the war over to try to salvage HDM as they feel it is in jeopardy and so is sales of SD DVD, so they announce they are going BD only to end the war.

How does that sound for a conspiracy theory with some likely facts mixed in?
Great conspiracy fun, thanks.

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I'm sure any contract's that Paramount signed may have benckmarts to reach, doubt HD DVD didn't reach that. It might have a clause about another studio dropping HD DVD but I'm sure Toshiba put safeguards in it as well for them.

So Chris you're saying that it's true that a Lionsgate exec knew of Warners plans before Warner issued a press statement saying they supported both formats. So you agree Warner mislead the buying public each time they said that.
No, but typical for you guys, change what I say and attack that. I said he may have understood the criteria Warner would use and therefore could predict the Warner choice. I understand the criteria to choose the NFL MVP well enough this year, I don't need to know any inside information and don't need to have any leaks from the voters. I am going to leak the name right now, Tom Brady. I understand the voters might be interested in the format war and be following this thread but I don't care, if I influence their choice, so be it and if I am blamed by the Randy Moss supporters for tipping the scales in favor of Tom Brady by my statement, so be it.

I have been on record for a long time here stating the market can not sustain two formats and have both survive and thrive and we will either have two formats compete for a very tiny market or HD DVD will bow out. I have stated repeatedly that Warner would not remain the lone neutral major studio since the Paramount move and that I didn't know all of the criteria Warner would use or what weight would be placed on what business factor so I didn't know what Warner would do. I had given the reasons I believed it would be Blu-ray and the reasons given in the Warner statement parallel exactly what I had suggested many months ago. I don't know if there was a payment, I feel certain both sides offered that if there was and therefore that wasn't the deciding factor.

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Glad you enjoyed it Chris. I think there is likely more fact than fiction in it based on what I have heard from insiders. It doesn't matter at this point though now does it?

What is done is done and HD DVD is basically finished as I have been saying. Barring a miracle that I would wish to be used for more important things than a format war.
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Glad you enjoyed it Chris. I think there is likely more fact than fiction in it based on what I have heard from insiders. It doesn't matter at this point though now does it?

What is done is done and HD DVD is basically finished as I have been saying. Barring a miracle that I would wish to be used for more important things than a format war.

What Chris has stated, and has stood by his statements, is pretty much what the Warner execs stated as one of their reasons for going Blu. In order for HDM to survive - we need one format. Warner choose BD for a few different reasons.

back to conspiracy - Did any of you good chaps notice the reduction of HD DVD movies on shelves at WalMart or Target AFTER the $98 dollar deal at WalMart????
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Glad you enjoyed it Chris. I think there is likely more fact than fiction in it based on what I have heard from insiders. It doesn't matter at this point though now does it?

What is done is done and HD DVD is basically finished as I have been saying. Barring a miracle that I would wish to be used for more important things than a format war.
Let's just say I am skeptical. I want to move on and see if there is a market and I am waiting for the Toshiba, Universal, and Paramount exit strategy.

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