I Have Had Enough Of The Format War

Lee Stewart · 01-06-2008, 06:54 PM

I got this PM a little while ago over at AVS. It came from a member that I have enjoyed many good technological discussions with, who I have the HIGHEST respect for, and just happens to work in the film industry:

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Lee

Leave it man : you're arguing with people who only care about having backed the right horse. BD is a bullshit format as far as the consumer is concerned. If we end up with 25Gb mpeg2 BDs for the next 20 years none of these mouthy BD guys will remember.

Don't waste the energy on them: half of them will complain about black bars on their PS3 and at the same time, wax lyrical about BD having lossless sound closer to the cinema experence whilst watching their 23" LCDs.

You can't debate with these people. The war is over: the wrong format won out but its a fact. No-one will remember it was a good format : certainly not the riff raff you're crossing swords with now.

My advice: build a dual format PC with a couple of terrabytes storage and rent and rip all the discs you want. Screw the lot of them.

He's right. It was a good fight while it lasted. But it is over. And trying to deny that, becomes an act of denial. Not a good course of action.

On the eve of the CES show when there are literally hundreds of announcements for new CE products . . . people are arguing about how much money they invested or how their format won, or what could have been . . . etc.

So I am going to spend time discussing movies, movie technology, home theater equipment and trying to help people solve their problems. Better time spent.

I look forward to discussing interesting things and hearing about personal experiences. The old teach and learn discussions . . . the best there are.

BiggNewt · 01-06-2008, 06:55 PM

There is no more war, time to talk about the future of HDM.

cbcdesign · 01-06-2008, 06:57 PM

I think many of us are resigned to the fact that HD DVD is on it's way out but until we get an official announcement from the HD DVD PG we won't know and even if they throw in the towel, protecting our collections into the future is an important step worth consideration.

Dare · 01-06-2008, 07:00 PM

Gotta agree with the OP. BTW, I just have to say something to boost dual format PCs. (I'm so happy I built one.) I'm probably going to be affected the least by losing the more practical format. But both formats do in fact rip the same, and once the media files are off the discs, format doesn't matter anymore. PCs will play anything.

zombi3 · 01-06-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

So I am going to spend time discussing movies, movie technology, home theater equipment and trying to help people solve their problems. Better time spent.

Great idea. So what do you think about HVD and its chances of becoming a marketable product?

connerc_37 · 01-06-2008, 07:02 PM

Lee you have great points. But you know Im going to go to the end. I wish I could just abandon ship but part of me tells me not too. If Toshiba surrenders I will too. But until then I'l just sit back of the bus. Hoping for the best and expecting the worst. ( Buying a Blu Ray Player)

ClashFan · 01-06-2008, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

I got this PM a little while ago over at AVS. It came from a member that I have enjoyed many good technological discussions with, who I have the HIGHEST respect for, and just happens to work in the film industry:

He's right. It was a good fight while it lasted. But it is over. And trying to deny that, becomes an act of denial. Not a good course of action.

On the eve of the CES show when there are literally hundreds of announcements for new CE products . . . people are arguing about how much money they invested or how their format won, or what could have been . . . etc.

So I am going to spend time discussing movies, movie technology, home theater equipment and trying to help people solve their problems. Better time spent.

I look forward to discussing interesting things and hearing about personal experiences. The old teach and learn discussions . . . the best there are.

Aw, come on, Lee! You'll be back, at least here on HDF! Too much fun.

stevenmh · 01-06-2008, 07:11 PM

I think a lot of people are soul searching and adjusting their attitude this weekend.

Me, I haven't decided that there's no longer a war. I've decided I don't know or care if there is one or not. I don't care who, if anyone, has won or will win. I think it's a better position because after this war, there may always be another. And regardless, there will always be the double and triple dipping horsecrap. From now on I don't own a physical library. If each studio wants to publish on a proprietary format, go right ahead. I'll be able to afford 6 different HD players with all the money I save doing rentals only from now on. Every movie that comes out that I want to watch, for the rest of my life, no matter what format(s), I'm going to relax and enjoy watching it in the best PQ/AQ that is available at the time. I'm just not going to own it. No investment, no risk, no anxiety. God Bless Netflix.

oblioman · 01-06-2008, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

I got this PM a little while ago over at AVS. It came from a member that I have enjoyed many good technological discussions with, who I have the HIGHEST respect for, and just happens to work in the film industry:

He's right. It was a good fight while it lasted. But it is over. And trying to deny that, becomes an act of denial. Not a good course of action.

On the eve of the CES show when there are literally hundreds of announcements for new CE products . . . people are arguing about how much money they invested or how their format won, or what could have been . . . etc.

So I am going to spend time discussing movies, movie technology, home theater equipment and trying to help people solve their problems. Better time spent.

I look forward to discussing interesting things and hearing about personal experiences. The old teach and learn discussions . . . the best there are.

C'mon Lee,,you be better than this. High regards for somebody that works in the film industry - but is encouraging people to rent and rip????? Might as well go down to WalMart and start pocketing movies.

**bruceames** · 01-06-2008, 07:22 PM

I'm waiting to see how HD DVD responds before jumping on the "it's over" bandwagon.

Lee Stewart · 01-06-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ClashFan

Aw, come on, Lee! You'll be back, at least here on HDF! Too much fun.

Oh I am not leaving HDF. Not by a long shot. I am just not going to get involved in those threads that are format war topics.

Discussing the latest players - absolutely. Trying to explain that 1080i and 1080P are the same? Nope. Those that help themselves get the best experience.

Not even going to post news articles about the format war. Let someone else do it.

Technology articles - you bet - love them. Hopefully there are many "high brows" here at HDF that want to get into the bits and bytes . . . . the chips and IC's.

The BobY stuff.

shadowsip · 01-06-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceames

I'm waiting to see how HD DVD responds before jumping on the "it's over" bandwagon.

+1

-Brian

Lee Stewart · 01-06-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

C'mon Lee,,you be better than this. High regards for somebody that works in the film industry - but is encouraging people to rent and rip????? Might as well go down to WalMart and start pocketing movies.

I believe you missed his last statement. He is advising the building of a PC with a DF drive - rent and rip and give the Hollywood Studios the absolute least amount of your hard earned cash. The movies will be there anytime you want them. And NO "Disk Error" codes popping up on the screen. Of course - no advanced features but many feel they are fluff and can be eliminated. Or watch the PIP when you first rent it so at least you can say you saw it and go from there.

doctorxring · 01-06-2008, 07:30 PM

If it's true that Sony has bet the farm on Blu-Ray
and will continue to "do what it has to do", hell
let them have it. HD-DVD ran a good race, but
Toshiba is not going to get suicidal about this shit.

Toshiba has other irons to tend. But I bet if they
get into what looks like a pissing match again with
Sony it will be different.

mshulman · 01-06-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cbcdesign

I think many of us are resigned to the fact that HD DVD is on it's way out but until we get an official announcement from the HD DVD PG we won't know and even if they throw in the towel, protecting our collections into the future is an important step worth consideration.

I agree. I'd certainly like to see at least some sort of announcement from them.

I think the odds of HD DVD coming back from this are slim, but unlike so many, I don't see this being over just yet.

01-06-2008, 06:55 PM	#2
BiggNewt High on Definition Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 1,609	There is no more war, time to talk about the future of HDM. __________________ Panasonic TC-P60GT30 Plasma 3DTV Panasonic TC-P46G10 Plasma HDTV Onkyo TX-SR609 7.1 HDMI Receiver Energy TAKE Classic 5.1 Speakers Sony SS-B1000 Surround Speakers (7.1) Sony SA-W3000 180W Subwoofer Sony PS3 (60gig w/ Linux installed) Sony PS2 (160gig HDD, Messiah Pro 2 Modchip) Phillips DVP642 Divx/PAL DVD Player ViP 722k DVR Dual-Tuner 500GB

01-06-2008, 07:00 PM	#4
Dare I moon you. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 4,523	Gotta agree with the OP. BTW, I just have to say something to boost dual format PCs. (I'm so happy I built one.) I'm probably going to be affected the least by losing the more practical format. But both formats do in fact rip the same, and once the media files are off the discs, format doesn't matter anymore. PCs will play anything. __________________ LG GGC-H20L Super Multi Blue Blu-ray & HD DVD ROM Drive 58 Lost count

01-06-2008, 07:02 PM	#6
connerc_37 HD Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 404	Lee you have great points. But you know Im going to go to the end. I wish I could just abandon ship but part of me tells me not too. If Toshiba surrenders I will too. But until then I'l just sit back of the bus. Hoping for the best and expecting the worst. ( Buying a Blu Ray Player) __________________ Location: Seattle WA 50' in Samsung Plasma [/b] 42' in Viore Plasma Xbox 360 Sony PS3 Dish HD

01-06-2008, 07:30 PM	#14
doctorxring Is there anyone else ? Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 64	The End If it's true that Sony has bet the farm on Blu-Ray and will continue to "do what it has to do", hell let them have it. HD-DVD ran a good race, but Toshiba is not going to get suicidal about this shit. Toshiba has other irons to tend. But I bet if they get into what looks like a pissing match again with Sony it will be different. __________________ Panasonic 42PZ700U -- Samsung 5084 Toshiba HD-A3x2 -- Panasonic BD10A, 30K

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