I Have Had Enough Of The Format War

kjudge · 01-06-2008, 07:37 PM

Lee

This war is over !!!!!!!!!!!...... Chill out and realise that !!!!!

I for one have to have the movies and will buy Blu once its afforadble.
Until then I will enjoy my Hd-Dvd's. Im sorry that the best format lost this war but Life goes on......

oblioman · 01-06-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

I believe you missed his last statement. He is advising the building of a PC with a DF drive - rent and rip and give the Hollywood Studios the absolute least amount of your hard earned cash. The movies will be there anytime you want them. And NO "Disk Error" codes popping up on the screen. Of course - no advanced features but many feel they are fluff and can be eliminated. Or watch the PIP when you first rent it so at least you can say you saw it and go from there.

Me did not miss his statement. No matter what movie you rent - you have no right what so ever to copy it. Me fully understands his gist - once decoded to a hard drive - you can play it back in many different formats. The fact of the matter is, what he is proposing is illegal. Even if he purchases the movie, with current legislation, it "may" be illegal to make a backup of his purchase. The current law guarantees us the right to make a backup - but prohibits us from our methods. In other words, if we have to decrypt a movie to make a backup - we be breaking the law. Me vehemently disagree's with the current MPAA stronghold, but it is what it is. Me can understand his frustration - we all feel it .

Allin4greeN · 01-06-2008, 07:44 PM

I went the PC route too, with full intentions, frankly, to do what Lee intimated, if not advocated, in his first post.

TBH, it's just too much hassle for me to jump through the SW hoops and illegality of ripping HDM to HDD for playback. I'm content to have an upgradeable DF PC that cost me a fraction of what I would have paid for a DF SAL (HW upgrade for BD + XBox 360 AO + playback SW = savings). I'll buy or rent, don't have the cash to get a 4TB NAS up and running, anyway. Still, I think the PC will end up being the best long term solution, at least for me and with all things considered...

Kudos, Lee.

Dare · 01-06-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

Me did not miss his statement. No matter what movie you rent - you have no right what so ever to copy it. Me fully understands his gist - once decoded to a hard drive - you can play it back in many different formats. The fact of the matter is, what he is proposing is illegal. Even if he purchases the movie, with current legislation, it "may" be illegal to make a backup of his purchase. The current law guarantees us the right to make a backup - but prohibits us from our methods. In other words, if we have to decrypt a movie to make a backup - we be breaking the law. Me vehemently disagree's with the current MPAA stronghold, but it is what it is. Me can understand his frustration - we all feel it .

That's very true. You have the right to make a copy of something you own, but it's illegal to circumvent any technology that tries to prevent you from exercising your right. But I don't anticipate that situation to stand for much longer, and there is always legislation favorable to fair use rights bumping around.

eapleitez · 01-06-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dare

That's very true. You have the right to make a copy of something you own, but it's illegal to circumvent any technology that tries to prevent you from exercising your right. But I don't anticipate that situation to stand for much longer, and there is always legislation favorable to fair use rights bumping around.

Listen to what our screwy laws make illegal. Illegal to break technology that blocks our ability to exercise one of our rights? Sounds like bad laws to me.

kjudge · 01-06-2008, 07:51 PM

Im fom Ireland so do do you think that Im ecstatic about no more region free HD. Sometimes I wonder if American/Japenese companies care if we even exist.Jesus its easy for you to prozelatise.

from the easily screwed

kj

Allin4greeN · 01-06-2008, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dare

That's very true. You have the right to make a copy of something you own, but it's illegal to circumvent any technology that tries to prevent you from exercising your right. But I don't anticipate that situation to stand for much longer, and there is always legislation favorable to fair use rights bumping around.

Sure would be nice to avoid the analog/digital hangover that will otherwise hit me and my equipment in a few short years...

Dr. Jones · 01-06-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

Me did not miss his statement. No matter what movie you rent - you have no right what so ever to copy it. Me fully understands his gist - once decoded to a hard drive - you can play it back in many different formats. The fact of the matter is, what he is proposing is illegal. Even if he purchases the movie, with current legislation, it "may" be illegal to make a backup of his purchase. The current law guarantees us the right to make a backup - but prohibits us from our methods. In other words, if we have to decrypt a movie to make a backup - we be breaking the law. Me vehemently disagree's with the current MPAA stronghold, but it is what it is. Me can understand his frustration - we all feel it .

Americans break stupid laws every day, that's how they eventually become abolished.

While I can't comment on the renting part of what he said. I could give a fuck what the MPAA and our esteemed money grubbing, bribe taking government has to say about what I do with products I pay for.

niennumb1 · 01-06-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceames

I'm waiting to see how HD DVD responds before jumping on the "it's over" bandwagon.

+2

DVD+RW · 01-06-2008, 08:11 PM

Lee,

It's always nice to see you. You have provided many resources to the forums you contributed to and it was always fun debating and discussing things with you.

The war is over; some of us are still trying to make ourselves that it's not but it really is. As for BD winning, It was not my preferred format but I've been thinking about and realized that regardless of how I feel, BD may end up being a great format. Look at today's announcements from CEs. lots of great ones and prices seem to be reasonable for the most part if not low enough like HD DVD for mass adoption; not yet. $399 players that don't have ethernet like HD-A3 but at least they do 24p and decode DTS-MA. I know it means nothing to mainstream, but I feel they are important.

The fact is Toshiba never tried to make HD DVD big. Sony imported Blu-ray to all kinds of markest from camcorders to blank media to writers and so on. Toshiba only cared about standalones and it wasn't enough; especially being the sole manufacture.

I'm glad you're sticking around and sharing your knowledge with us. I look forward to our discussions in future. It's becoming more and more like DVD days; where all we cared about was to get the best of our equipment and discuss disc quality and movies.

Robert D · 01-06-2008, 08:14 PM

Hey I like that idea to just rent BD titles and rip away lol.

sti jaguar · 01-06-2008, 08:15 PM

I also predict that this forum will be a ghost town or becomes High Def Blu Ray Forum.

It was 80% HD-DVD fanboys and already we have lost at least half of them.

MikeRox · 01-06-2008, 08:17 PM

All HD forums are going to become ghost towns, all the fanboys generally weren't actually interested in the movies availible on their formats so much as just backing a horse and hoping it won a fight.

Dare · 01-06-2008, 08:23 PM

I expect all these forums to clear out when the war is right and properly over. There just won't be any drama to attract people anymore.

zombi3 · 01-06-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeRox

All HD forums are going to become ghost towns, all the fanboys generally weren't actually interested in the movies availible on their formats so much as just backing a horse and hoping it won a fight.

Excellent point.

01-06-2008, 07:44 PM	#18
Allin4greeN Let's try this button... Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 858	I went the PC route too, with full intentions, frankly, to do what Lee intimated, if not advocated, in his first post. TBH, it's just too much hassle for me to jump through the SW hoops and illegality of ripping HDM to HDD for playback. I'm content to have an upgradeable DF PC that cost me a fraction of what I would have paid for a DF SAL (HW upgrade for BD + XBox 360 AO + playback SW = savings). I'll buy or rent, don't have the cash to get a 4TB NAS up and running, anyway. Still, I think the PC will end up being the best long term solution, at least for me and with all things considered... Kudos, Lee. __________________ Vizio P50HDTV10A\|Dell Inspiron 1720 w/BDD & HD DVD Add-on\|XBox360\|Toshiba D-VR5\|ViP622 \|Sirius S50-TK1\|RS15-1870 OTA\|Yamaha HTR 5750 (6.1)\|Yamaha NS-AP4400M 3-way mains\|Yamaha NS-AP4400E 3-way center w/2-way surrounds\|Yamaha YST-SW015 sub\|Belkin AP30800-10\|Harmony 676 \|\| Westinghouse LTV-32w1\|Samsung HD850\|ViP211

01-06-2008, 08:17 PM	#28
MikeRox Connoisseur of Fine Games Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huddersfield, United Kingdom Posts: 15,756	All HD forums are going to become ghost towns, all the fanboys generally weren't actually interested in the movies availible on their formats so much as just backing a horse and hoping it won a fight. __________________ Currently Playing: Xenoblade Chronicles, Ridge Racer 3D, DIRT 3

01-06-2008, 08:23 PM	#29
Dare I moon you. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 4,523	I expect all these forums to clear out when the war is right and properly over. There just won't be any drama to attract people anymore. __________________ LG GGC-H20L Super Multi Blue Blu-ray & HD DVD ROM Drive 58 Lost count

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01-06-2008, 07:37 PM	#16
kjudge High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 33	Lee This war is over !!!!!!!!!!!...... Chill out and realise that !!!!! I for one have to have the movies and will buy Blu once its afforadble. Until then I will enjoy my Hd-Dvd's. Im sorry that the best format lost this war but Life goes on......

01-06-2008, 07:51 PM	#21
kjudge High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 33	Im fom Ireland so do do you think that Im ecstatic about no more region free HD. Sometimes I wonder if American/Japenese companies care if we even exist.Jesus its easy for you to prozelatise. from the easily screwed kj

01-06-2008, 08:11 PM	#25
DVD+RW HD is good! Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 202	Lee, It's always nice to see you. You have provided many resources to the forums you contributed to and it was always fun debating and discussing things with you. The war is over; some of us are still trying to make ourselves that it's not but it really is. As for BD winning, It was not my preferred format but I've been thinking about and realized that regardless of how I feel, BD may end up being a great format. Look at today's announcements from CEs. lots of great ones and prices seem to be reasonable for the most part if not low enough like HD DVD for mass adoption; not yet. $399 players that don't have ethernet like HD-A3 but at least they do 24p and decode DTS-MA. I know it means nothing to mainstream, but I feel they are important. The fact is Toshiba never tried to make HD DVD big. Sony imported Blu-ray to all kinds of markest from camcorders to blank media to writers and so on. Toshiba only cared about standalones and it wasn't enough; especially being the sole manufacture. I'm glad you're sticking around and sharing your knowledge with us. I look forward to our discussions in future. It's becoming more and more like DVD days; where all we cared about was to get the best of our equipment and discuss disc quality and movies.

01-06-2008, 08:14 PM	#26
Robert D High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 206	Hey I like that idea to just rent BD titles and rip away lol.

01-06-2008, 08:15 PM	#27
sti jaguar High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 249	I also predict that this forum will be a ghost town or becomes High Def Blu Ray Forum. It was 80% HD-DVD fanboys and already we have lost at least half of them.