HDM SAL Market Share (No AO)

Lee Stewart · 01-06-2008, 12:59 PM

From Toshiba's press conference:

Again - these do not include the 360 AO

HD Goofnut · 01-06-2008, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

From Toshiba's press conference:

Again - these do not include the 360 AO

As I said Sony is in trouble if they don't get that 2.0 player out and sell it for cheap.

**kamspy** · 01-06-2008, 02:11 PM

Who else sold HD DVD players in 07?

Wouldn't that chart indicate a slight lead for BD SALs?

We know LG only sold like 4 of the DF players.

So at best, that chats shows a 50:50 SAL BD:HDDVD. Pending the AO sales and the PS3 for BD sales negate each other (which is more than fair to say)

Lee Stewart · 01-06-2008, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamspy

Who else sold HD DVD players in 07?

Wouldn't that chart indicate a slight lead for BD SALs?

We know LG only sold like 4 of the DF players.

So at best, that chats shows a 50:50 SAL BD:HDDVD.

All others includes:

Sharp
Pioneer
Phillips

El Despairado · 01-06-2008, 02:19 PM

50% SAL Market Share for Toshiba is huge, when you consider attach rates.

HD DVD had an advantage in attach rates with only 50% of the SAL Market Share, despite Blu-ray having an equal SAL marketshare AND the 10 Million PS3's, lol.

mswoods1 · 01-06-2008, 07:04 PM

Damn, BD SALs have outsold HD DVD SALs when they're selling for $100-$300 more?!?! Looks like Toshiba's strategy of infiltrating the market with cheap SALs is not working. And it seems Toshiba's market share actually shrunk in the fourth quarter since according to NPD in September, HD DVD had 54% of the SAL market YTD. I guess this is what Warner was saying when they said BD SALs were outselling HD SALs even when they were priced at a premium. I hate to say it, but bye HD DVD.

Superman · 01-06-2008, 07:13 PM

Yeah, that's really surprising about the SALs.

BiggNewt · 01-06-2008, 07:15 PM

I think Warner got this information about a week ago

Blu-Ray beats HD DVD at their own game...

**bruceames** · 01-06-2008, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mswoods1

Damn, BD SALs have outsold HD DVD SALs when they're selling for $100-$300 more?!?! Looks like Toshiba's strategy of infiltrating the market with cheap SALs is not working. And it seems Toshiba's market share actually shrunk in the fourth quarter since according to NPD in September, HD DVD had 54% of the SAL market YTD. I guess this is what Warner was saying when they said BD SALs were outselling HD SALs even when they were priced at a premium. I hate to say it, but bye HD DVD.

It's rather surprising to me. I thought that Toshiba was outselling BD SALs about 60:40, but Sony and Samsung (especially Sony) have been very aggressive in their pricing and promotions, particularly in December. I think WB may have been impressed by the December BD win in standalone sales. Amazon has had some incredible HD DVD player sales, but most people are buying from Best Buy, CC and Walmart, where BD actually had the better sales in December. Furthermore BD had better visibility (notably at Best Buy) with their displays and endcaps.

I don't think the 2 free movies in the box helped sell as many players as hoped for. Maybe a lot of people weren't even aware of it and just looked at the price.

ClashFan · 01-06-2008, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruceames

It's rather surprising to me. I thought that Toshiba was outselling BD SALs about 60:40, but Sony and Samsung (especially Sony) have been very aggressive in their pricing and promotions, particularly in December. I think WB may have been impressed by the December BD win in standalone sales. Amazon has had some incredible HD DVD player sales, but most people are buying from Best Buy, CC and Walmart, where BD actually had the better sales in December. Furthermore BD had better visibility (notably at Best Buy) with their displays and endcaps.

I don't think the 2 free movies in the box helped sell as many players as hoped for. Maybe a lot of people weren't even aware of it and just looked at the price.

I walked through both BB and Circuit City a couple of times in December. I didn't see any big endcaps or signs or whatever promoting HD DVD players. No big signs mentioning the 2 free movies included or the 5 free via mail.

HiramAbiff · 01-06-2008, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman

Yeah, that's really surprising about the SALs.

Never underestimate the fanboy sales associate effect.

8ch-DeeorDie · 01-06-2008, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiramAbiff

Never underestimate the fanboy sales associate effect.

That my friend is SPOT ON!

Other than the fact that the HD-DVD promo group seems to have it's head up it's ass, the pimple-faced-Playstation fan-teenage salesperson at the corner electronics store has the most effect on fence-sitting consumer.

I can just imagine the sales pitch: customer:"I just bought an HDTV and heard about high-def players. Which one should I buy?"

salesidiot:"Blu-ray kicks ass, HD-DVD sucks. Besides I saw Spiderman 3 on my new PS3 and it is awsome dude!"

Bravestime · 01-06-2008, 11:55 PM

Sony and Blu-Ray definitely had better advertising than Toshibs and HD-DVD. Everywhere I went where stores had HD players, Soy/Blu-ray was well represented. It kind of felt like a one horse race in some places. Went to Walmart about a month ago, and all the HDTVs were playing a blu-ray advertisement. It looked very impressive.

Toshiba failed to promote there side effectively, IMO.

Changeling · 01-07-2008, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8ch-DeeorDie

That my friend is SPOT ON!

Other than the fact that the HD-DVD promo group seems to have it's head up it's ass, the pimple-faced-Playstation fan-teenage salesperson at the corner electronics store has the most effect on fence-sitting consumer.

I can just imagine the sales pitch: customer:"I just bought an HDTV and heard about high-def players. Which one should I buy?"

salesidiot:"Blu-ray kicks ass, HD-DVD sucks. Besides I saw Spiderman 3 on my new PS3 and it is awsome dude!"

***

Come on now. If they don't see the product, it's not there....and salesboy has no control over that. That's a corporate call. And, to be honest, the profit margin for BR is larger per unit.

People that are investing have money to burn, as such, they'll buy more TVs, cables, furniture, etc. If price sensetivity is even a SLIGHT factor for an HDer they'll but less, so the store moves less of everything.

It shouldn't be a surprise that, if given a choice, a retailer would rather move Blu.

I'm curious, does that chart include PS3s or just dedicated standalones?

Dare · 01-07-2008, 12:08 AM

Why do people have to be outfitting an auditorium to be interested in high definition?

01-06-2008, 12:59 PM	#1
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 58 Posts: 25,950	HDM SAL Market Share (No AO) From Toshiba's press conference: Again - these do not include the 360 AO

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kamspy ʎdsɯɐʞ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: CLASSIFIED Assassin Mod Posts: 13,862	Who else sold HD DVD players in 07? Wouldn't that chart indicate a slight lead for BD SALs? We know LG only sold like 4 of the DF players. So at best, that chats shows a 50:50 SAL BD:HDDVD. Pending the AO sales and the PS3 for BD sales negate each other (which is more than fair to say) __________________ It's probably got C4 on it.

01-06-2008, 02:19 PM	#5
El Despairado HD DVD: Still the best! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Dakota Age: 33 Posts: 903	50% SAL Market Share for Toshiba is huge, when you consider attach rates. HD DVD had an advantage in attach rates with only 50% of the SAL Market Share, despite Blu-ray having an equal SAL marketshare AND the 10 Million PS3's, lol. __________________ Consumers did not choose the winner of the format war, the movie studios did, and now consumers are stuck with the decision. Samsung HL-S6187W Yamaha RX-V2700 Toshiba HD-XA2 RF/LF-Polk Audio RTi8 Center-Polk Audio CSi3 SL/SR-Polk Audio RTi6 LFE-Polk Audio P505 300watt self amplified. Xbox 360 Administrator of Horns Up International hornsupinternational.freeforums.org

01-06-2008, 07:04 PM	#6
mswoods1 Say whaaaaaat? Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 1,372	Damn, BD SALs have outsold HD DVD SALs when they're selling for $100-$300 more?!?! Looks like Toshiba's strategy of infiltrating the market with cheap SALs is not working. And it seems Toshiba's market share actually shrunk in the fourth quarter since according to NPD in September, HD DVD had 54% of the SAL market YTD. I guess this is what Warner was saying when they said BD SALs were outselling HD SALs even when they were priced at a premium. I hate to say it, but bye HD DVD. __________________ Panasonic PT-AX200U Projector 118" 1.78:1 Carada Projector Screen Toshiba A35 HD DVD Player Pioneer BDP-51FD Blu-ray Player Sony PS3 Xbox 360 TiVoHD (w/750 GB hard drive) Denon AVR-2309CI Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 Center Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 Mains Polk FXi A6's (surrounds) BIC Acoustech H-100 subwoofer Tri-Traps and Acoustic Panels by GIK Acoustics HD DVD: 104 Blu-ray: 126 DVD: ∞

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Bravestime Supporter of HiDef Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Aiken, SC Age: 53 Posts: 4,469	Sony and Blu-Ray definitely had better advertising than Toshibs and HD-DVD. Everywhere I went where stores had HD players, Soy/Blu-ray was well represented. It kind of felt like a one horse race in some places. Went to Walmart about a month ago, and all the HDTVs were playing a blu-ray advertisement. It looked very impressive. Toshiba failed to promote there side effectively, IMO. __________________ Life is Short, Watch a Movie

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