I've heard this from a few friends, has any one else?

crazyal · 01-05-2008, 04:41 PM

I guess several friends have heard, not sure where and they wouldn't say, that a large group of dissatisfied HD DVD supporters are going to go after Warner by buying Blu-Ray copies, opening them up (so they have to get sent back to Warner), then returning them to the store saying it wouldn't play and getting a refund.

I don't know what B&Ms return policys are. Would you be able to get cash back or a credit on you card or store credit? At first I blew it off as a few kids who's feeling were hurt but then started to think about it. If only a few do it not much would happen but if there's a number of people across the contry who will do it repeatedly for long enough they could cost Warner all HDM profits.

Blu-Ray disc sales are small enough where a few thousand people could really throw a wrench into the works. Say buy 10 to 20 titles and return them. You could be talking 20% or more of the discs made. Anyway has anyone else heard anything like this?

dontknowjack · 01-05-2008, 04:44 PM

Some stores have a policy that once you open a DVD, you can only exchange them and can't get refund.

mschupp · 01-05-2008, 04:52 PM

That's just childish!

However, I'm not going to buy any more Warner HD DVDs (because I'll want them on Blu Ray when I can afford a player). I expect that Warner's HD DVD sales are going to disappear long before they discontinue HD DVD.

The 64,000 dollar question is whether Universal and Paramount HD DVD sales will drop (and will HD DVD players continue to sell).

fmw · 01-05-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyal

I guess several friends have heard, not sure where and they wouldn't say, that a large group of dissatisfied HD DVD supporters are going to go after Warner by buying Blu-Ray copies, opening them up (so they have to get sent back to Warner), then returning them to the store saying it wouldn't play and getting a refund.

I don't know what B&Ms return policys are. Would you be able to get cash back or a credit on you card or store credit? At first I blew it off as a few kids who's feeling were hurt but then started to think about it. If only a few do it not much would happen but if there's a number of people across the contry who will do it repeatedly for long enough they could cost Warner all HDM profits.

Blu-Ray disc sales are small enough where a few thousand people could really throw a wrench into the works. Say buy 10 to 20 titles and return them. You could be talking 20% or more of the discs made. Anyway has anyone else heard anything like this?

Time for a "large group of dissatisfied HD-DVD supporters" to get a life.

Bravestime · 01-05-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyal

I guess several friends have heard, not sure where and they wouldn't say, that a large group of dissatisfied HD DVD supporters are going to go after Warner by buying Blu-Ray copies, opening them up (so they have to get sent back to Warner), then returning them to the store saying it wouldn't play and getting a refund.

I don't know what B&Ms return policys are. Would you be able to get cash back or a credit on you card or store credit? At first I blew it off as a few kids who's feeling were hurt but then started to think about it. If only a few do it not much would happen but if there's a number of people across the contry who will do it repeatedly for long enough they could cost Warner all HDM profits.

Blu-Ray disc sales are small enough where a few thousand people could really throw a wrench into the works. Say buy 10 to 20 titles and return them. You could be talking 20% or more of the discs made. Anyway has anyone else heard anything like this?

Can't believe people are so wrapped up in this format war to even consider this!

This is very sad for any grown adult to even suggest this!

We need to keep the bigger picture in mind! That is we all should be behind HDM!

quexos · 01-05-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mschupp

That's just childish!

However, I'm not going to buy any more Warner HD DVDs (because I'll want them on Blu Ray when I can afford a player). I expect that Warner's HD DVD sales are going to disappear long before they discontinue HD DVD.

The 64,000 dollar question is whether Universal and Paramount HD DVD sales will drop (and will HD DVD players continue to sell).

The other question is what exactly is in Warner's mind regarding HD-DVD from now till end of May ?
I mean they said they would bring movies in Blu first and a month or more later on hd-dvd. So does that mean that hd-dvd movies for that studio will stop in april or earlier, considering that any new Blu movie coming in april/may cannot come much later on hd-dvd since it would be beyond the May 31 limit ?
I don't know if you guys see what I mean

crazyal · 01-05-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dontknowjack

Some stores have a policy that once you open a DVD, you can only exchange them and can't get refund.

But do they have a policy stating how many times you can return the same copy of a movie? Seams like if they just buy it once and return it 10 or 20 times they still would achive what they were trying for.

crazyal · 01-05-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bravestime

Can't believe people are so wrapped up in this format war to even consider this!

This is very sad for any grown adult to even suggest this!

We need to keep the bigger picture in mind! That is we all should be behind HDM!

I kind of feel the same way but Warner did lie to me so it wouldn't really bother me if it happened to them. It's clear than after the attacks on both Bill's and Blu-Rays web sites that there are some childish people who support HD DVD. The real question is how many and what will they do now?

zombi3 · 01-05-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bravestime

Can't believe people are so wrapped up in this format war to even consider this!

This is very sad for any grown adult to even suggest this!

I remember reading somewhere that a bunch Blu guys were going into Best Buy stores vandalizing HD DVD cases so no one would want to buy them, and also turning off the HD DVD players or re-calibrating the TVs to mess with the picture quality. I read this on a message board, so I don't know if it's true. Not justifying any of this kind of behavior, just saying...

Changeling · 01-05-2008, 06:59 PM

[quote=crazyal;474133]I guess several friends have heard, not sure where and they wouldn't say, that a large group of dissatisfied HD DVD supporters are going to go after Warner by buying Blu-Ray copies, opening them up (so they have to get sent back to Warner), then returning them to the store saying it wouldn't play and getting a refund.

I don't know what B&Ms return policys are. Would you be able to get cash back or a credit on you card or store credit? At first I blew it off as a few kids who's feeling were hurt but then started to think about it. If only a few do it not much would happen but if there's a number of people across the contry who will do it repeatedly for long enough they could cost Warner all HDM profits.

****

At least as far as US store go, it's against Federal law for a store to give you a refund. I'm pretty sure it's part of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. I know it's codefied in law, I'm just not sure where.

The technology exists to copy the disc. There's no way for a store to know you didn't do just that, so no store will let you refund cash. Exchange for the same title only. Exchange for a different title only if your original is out of stock.

So, let them. If they wanna be that petty, I'll be petty enough to laugh at them when they are forced out of the store with discs they don't want just because they wanted to act like babies.

Super XP · 01-05-2008, 07:00 PM

Good for them, serves Warner right for going Blu

Bravestime · 01-05-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by zombi3

I remember reading somewhere that a bunch Blu guys were going into Best Buy stores vandalizing HD DVD cases so no one would want to buy them, and also turning off the HD DVD players or re-calibrating the TVs to mess with the picture quality. I read this on a message board, so I don't know if it's true. Not justifying any of this kind of behavior, just saying...

SO what is the point of this post? To somehow justify the OP post?

HiramAbiff · 01-05-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyal

I guess several friends have heard, not sure where and they wouldn't say, that a large group of dissatisfied HD DVD supporters are going to go after Warner by buying Blu-Ray copies, opening them up (so they have to get sent back to Warner), then returning them to the store saying it wouldn't play and getting a refund.

I don't know what B&Ms return policys are. Would you be able to get cash back or a credit on you card or store credit? At first I blew it off as a few kids who's feeling were hurt but then started to think about it. If only a few do it not much would happen but if there's a number of people across the contry who will do it repeatedly for long enough they could cost Warner all HDM profits.

Blu-Ray disc sales are small enough where a few thousand people could really throw a wrench into the works. Say buy 10 to 20 titles and return them. You could be talking 20% or more of the discs made. Anyway has anyone else heard anything like this?

To actually make an impactful thing out of it, it would take the kinds of resources that Sony used to keep buying BD discs to fraudulently keep sales numbers up.

Don't believe me? They've invented phony movie critics to give good reviews to their movies, they've invented phony fansites (complete with phony viral videos) to promote the PSP. And it's not unheard of for book publishers or authors to do the same thing. Have you noticed how online sales trackers would often start out the week with strong HD DVD sales, and then finish the week with strong BD sales? The BD buyers were paying catch-up.

Eventually Sony realized they could have loads of BOGOFs and sales and get the consumers to do the same thing for them with less money.

eng050599 · 01-05-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by HiramAbiff

To actually make an impactful thing out of it, it would take the kinds of resources that Sony used to keep buying BD discs to fraudulently keep sales numbers up.

Don't believe me? They've invented phony movie critics to give good reviews to their movies, they've invented phony fansites (complete with phony viral videos) to promote the PSP. And it's not unheard of for book publishers or authors to do the same thing. Have you noticed how online sales trackers would often start out the week with strong HD DVD sales, and then finish the week with strong BD sales? The BD buyers were paying catch-up.

Eventually Sony realized they could have loads of BOGOFs and sales and get the consumers to do the same thing for them with less money.

Hmm, it's funny then that dual format releases like 300 and HP sold better on Blu-Ray (normally 2:1 in favour), but I guess conspiracy theories are in vogue now.

Cowboy X · 01-05-2008, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by quexos

The other question is what exactly is in Warner's mind regarding HD-DVD from now till end of May ?
I mean they said they would bring movies in Blu first and a month or more later on hd-dvd. So does that mean that hd-dvd movies for that studio will stop in april or earlier, considering that any new Blu movie coming in april/may cannot come much later on hd-dvd since it would be beyond the May 31 limit ?
I don't know if you guys see what I mean

I get you. But I guess it is a wait and see. i don't even remember them saying a month delay. the delay was not specified, only that there will be a delay.

01-05-2008, 04:41 PM	#1
crazyal Smarter than the ave bear Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,312	I've heard this from a few friends, has any one else? I guess several friends have heard, not sure where and they wouldn't say, that a large group of dissatisfied HD DVD supporters are going to go after Warner by buying Blu-Ray copies, opening them up (so they have to get sent back to Warner), then returning them to the store saying it wouldn't play and getting a refund. I don't know what B&Ms return policys are. Would you be able to get cash back or a credit on you card or store credit? At first I blew it off as a few kids who's feeling were hurt but then started to think about it. If only a few do it not much would happen but if there's a number of people across the contry who will do it repeatedly for long enough they could cost Warner all HDM profits. Blu-Ray disc sales are small enough where a few thousand people could really throw a wrench into the works. Say buy 10 to 20 titles and return them. You could be talking 20% or more of the discs made. Anyway has anyone else heard anything like this? __________________ Please don't feed the Unicorns

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