Paramount states all remaining blu-ray discs will be destroyed!

**bruceames** · 11-28-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Madhatter

Maybe Paramount is a little embarrased to see that the discontinued BD versions still outsell the HD versions.

They should. After all, they're collectors items (at least, while Blu-ray is a viable format)

Lee Stewart · 11-28-2007, 09:02 AM

BTW - this is NOT confirmed. There has been NO announcement about this. Just a post on a Forum, and we know how much those are worth . . . or should I say worthless.

cbcdesign · 11-28-2007, 09:09 AM

Their is nothing wrong with Toshibas HD DVD products and any implication that they are just cheap is incorrect. They are realistically priced based on current hardware values unlike blu-ray which are expensive to produce.

Lee Stewart · 11-28-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cbcdesign

Their is nothing wrong with Toshibas HD DVD products and any implication that they are just cheap is incorrect. They are realistically priced based on current hardware values unlike blu-ray which are expensive to produce.

They really isn't that much difference in manufacturing cost - about $20.

It is the difference of the plans between the formats. HD DVD wanted to get to mass adoption level as fast as they can because that is where the big payoff is located. Sales in the millions.

BD wants to win based on it's "superior" specs and the merits of it's format. Great for the EA's like us - worthless for the general public, who covets price and convinence as the two most important purchasing issues.

**PFC5** · 11-28-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PrinceLH

Pretty pathetic. They take the bribe and can't get rid of their old stock, because of a Blu semi-boycott. Is this the reason that Paramount is having a $19.99 sale on both formats to clear out old stock? Blu and HD DVD? By getting rid of much of their current Blu stock, they can replenish before having to destroy what their masters at Microsoft and Toshiba have ordered them to. Also funny that they would request this, considering that they said it wasn't a bribe and it was all about attach rates. Why would they destroy an asset, if this were indeed true? Just more Paramount hypocracy!

First. If you think that Disney, LionsGate, & Fox have never got incentives to be and remain BD only then I have some land AND a bridge to sell you. EVERY studio (except Sony) is getting "incentives" of some sort and we already know that Sony WAS subsidizing the BD disc mfg costs for studios.

Second. As you pointed out about the "Semi Blu boycott" of Paramount, why would they waste money storing/warehousing these discs if this is true? I think this is also a statement Paramount is making about how sure of their decision they are now with *near* mass consumer prices for HD DVD players.

Tell me. Are YOU one of those BD owners who are boycotting the Paramount BD movies?

Bunter · 11-28-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by anythingwt

Thats true.. you would think they would at least hang on to the discs if they had plans of going neutral again after the contract was up. That is a lot of money to throw away if they planned on selling those discs again at some point.

Maybe there was something in the contract that stated they would not release anymore of the current releases while the contract was in effect... So that way, when the contract is up, if they do go neutral again, BD would only get movies from that point forward and no previous releases?

Time and time again, it's been stated by concerned parties to the deal that it is open-ended, not 18 months. BRD will be long gone by then, anyway!

CapBBeard · 11-28-2007, 09:28 AM

I just can't understand the logic behind not wanting an inexpensive player.

I'm pretty sure the large majority of the population couldn't care less that they're buying a "cheaper" HD DVD player. Toshiba is a respectable brand name, and are catering to all levels of the market. What's so wrong with a decent brand offering an entry level player, which the majority of users are happy to have?!

Afterall, at the end of the day, people want to watch movies.

Sony, not Toshiba, would be the ones at fault, for totally ignoring this utterly massive segment of the market. I'll only be laughing when they go down for it.

Lee Stewart · 11-28-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CapBBeard

I just can't understand the logic behind not wanting an inexpensive player.

I'm pretty sure the large majority of the population couldn't care less that they're buying a "cheaper" HD DVD player. Toshiba is a respectable brand name, and are catering to all levels of the market. What's so wrong with a decent brand offering an entry level player, which the majority of users are happy to have?!

Afterall, at the end of the day, people want to watch movies.

Sony, not Toshiba, would be the ones at fault, for totally ignoring this utterly massive segment of the market. I'll only be laughing when they go down for it.

Oh - the BD fans DESPERATELY want a low cost player. They are so envious that HD DVD has one and they don't.

That is why they keep trying to poo poo it.

I will bet ANYTHING that if and when the TL51 shows up - we will see a blizzard of BD zealot posts saying that Sony had it first!

Bunter · 11-28-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Because almost 33 million people live in Canada. And they have a high per capita income level.

That help?

Plus all that damn snow! They've gotta watch their HD DVDs!

CapBBeard · 11-28-2007, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

I will bet ANYTHING that if and when the TL51 shows up - we will see a blizzard of BD zealot posts saying that Sony had it first!

Oh absolutely no doubt about it

We'll also hear about the 100GB BD discs and how they're "coming soon", as well as the old "but you still don't have our bitrates!!11111".

I think that's about all they'll have left to hang onto at that point

**PFC5** · 11-28-2007, 09:43 AM

Maybe NOW we can get the Ststs site for BD to remove the Paramount BDs from the list.

They should have removed them a while ago, but I bet they keep them there still even though they cannot be bought soon.

Madhatter · 11-28-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Oh - the BD fans DESPERATELY want a low cost player. They are so envious that HD DVD has one and they don't.

That is why they keep trying to poo poo it.

I will bet ANYTHING that if and when the TL51 shows up - we will see a blizzard of BD zealot posts saying that Sony had it first!

Well, since you ask, apparently the Sharp is running around $299 at certain online places (and from what I hear, from a hard line HD DVD supporting online retailer, of all places

). Samsung and Sony have had sales all week on their players. Panasonic has a new player out that is available for $399. As for $99 player, who would want one? Spend $2k or more on a tv and get all cheap on your other gear?

And from what I'm seeing, they really cut corners in the bottom of the barrel A3. Nice job of screwing over the audio department when it comes to digital connections going from 1.5 to 640k. Not everyone uses HDMI for audio and video. And I heard from a few people that they believe Venturer actually made this crap and Toshiba slapped their name on it.

TL51 will never happen. The HD side can't even get combos to work without causing problems, so how on earth are they going to get a triple layer disc to work glitch free?

You guys really are in fantasyland if you think HD DVD is going to pull it off.

Lee Stewart · 11-28-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Madhatter

Well, since you ask, apparently the Sharp is running around $299 at certain online places (and from what I hear, from a hard line HD DVD supporting online retailer, of all places

). Samsung and Sony have had sales all week on their players. Panasonic has a new player out that is available for $399. As for $99 player, who would want one? Spend $2k or more on a tv and get all cheap on your other gear?

And from what I'm seeing, they really cut corners in the bottom of the barrel A3. Nice job of screwing over the audio department when it comes to digital connections going from 1.5 to 640k. Not everyone uses HDMI for audio and video. And I heard from a few people that they believe Venturer actually made this crap and Toshiba slapped their name on it.

TL51 will never happen. The HD side can't even get combos to work without causing problems, so how on earth are they going to get a triple layer disc to work glitch free?

You guys really are in fantasyland if you think HD DVD is going to pull it off.

Try using some links to back up your statements for a change. Your opinion - we all know that sucks.

OBTW - The PS3 won't do DTS-MA. That matter?

Nikopol · 11-28-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Madhatter

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And from what I'm seeing, they really cut corners in the bottom of the barrel A3. Nice job of screwing over the audio department when it comes to digital connections going from 1.5 to 640k. Not everyone uses HDMI for audio and video. And I heard from a few people that they believe Venturer actually made this crap and Toshiba slapped their name on it.

TL51 will never happen. The HD side can't even get combos to work without causing problems, so how on earth are they going to get a triple layer disc to work glitch free?

You guys really are in fantasyland if you think HD DVD is going to pull it off.

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Madhatter · 11-28-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Try using some links to back up your statements for a change. Your opinion - we all know that sucks.

OBTW - The PS3 won't do DTS-MA. That matter?

Okie dokie. Here's one about the audio on the glorious A3. There are others, but I'm sure you are aware of them and the shortcomings of the A3 in the audio department.

http://www./avs-vb/showthread.php?t=943001

Re: Sharp Blu ray player for $299.
http://www.valueelectronics.com/avstc.htm
But again, you knew this already Lee. As well as the $399 players at BB with the $100 gift card and free movies.

Re: Venturer and Toshiba A3 being the same crap: (see post #18)
http://www./avs-vb/showthread.php?t=945572

Re: the PS3 not doing DTS-MA. I really don't care. Have no interest in owning one. Do you?

As for what sucks around here, well, we all know who sucks what Lee. Heard you could teach Monica a thing or two

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11-28-2007, 09:02 AM	#62
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 58 Posts: 25,193	BTW - this is NOT confirmed. There has been NO announcement about this. Just a post on a Forum, and we know how much those are worth . . . or should I say worthless.

11-28-2007, 09:09 AM	#63
cbcdesign High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Somerset, UK Posts: 1,313	Their is nothing wrong with Toshibas HD DVD products and any implication that they are just cheap is incorrect. They are realistically priced based on current hardware values unlike blu-ray which are expensive to produce.

11-28-2007, 09:28 AM	#67
CapBBeard High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 464	I just can't understand the logic behind not wanting an inexpensive player. I'm pretty sure the large majority of the population couldn't care less that they're buying a "cheaper" HD DVD player. Toshiba is a respectable brand name, and are catering to all levels of the market. What's so wrong with a decent brand offering an entry level player, which the majority of users are happy to have?! Afterall, at the end of the day, people want to watch movies. Sony, not Toshiba, would be the ones at fault, for totally ignoring this utterly massive segment of the market. I'll only be laughing when they go down for it.