Paramount states all remaining blu-ray discs will be destroyed!

Madhatter · 11-30-2007, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

We can't compete with their cost of labor. I was working with ADEMCO - they design and sell the in home security stuff - keypads and such. They got 5 bids. The Chinese were 300% below the lowest USA based bid. How do you compete with that?

Can we really stop this? Nothing is gained. It just pollutes the board. Discussion of topics enlightens us. Fighting accomplishes nothing at all.

But I need something to sharpen my claws with.

As to the Chinese and their underbidding, there should be laws requiring at least an 70% USA built and manufactured content on products sold in this country. And countries that have rather dubious human rights laws should not be allowed to trade with us. I know it will never happen, but one can dream.

Madhatter · 11-30-2007, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hip Name Here

Me neither. I may check out Pany's new player.

On the Panny BD30 I saw - Made in Japan.

Lee Stewart · 11-30-2007, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Madhatter

But I need something to sharpen my claws with.

Really - lets put an end to it. I am sure you have a lot of knowledge and experience that you could share with us. Discussion makes for food for thought.

Please consider this option.

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As to the Chinese and their underbidding, there should be laws requiring at least an 70% USA built and manufactured content on products sold in this country. And countries that have rather dubious human rights laws should not be allowed to trade with us. I know it will never happen, but one can dream.

We do not have Nationalism laws like Germany and France do. And we suffer from it.

Hip Name Here · 11-30-2007, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

You are not interested in Interactive Features/Web Enable?

I am, but I don't really want a PS3. May have no choice though.

Lee Stewart · 11-30-2007, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hip Name Here

I am, but I don't really want a PS3. May have no choice though.

Q2 2008 should see the release of 2.0 BD players. If you are interested in a complete BD player - you can wait until a full profile player arrives.

Hip Name Here · 11-30-2007, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Q2 2008 should see the release of 2.0 BD players. If you are interested in a complete BD player - you can wait until a full profile player arrives.

Word.

Lee Stewart · 11-30-2007, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hip Name Here

Word.

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Hip Name Here · 11-30-2007, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

?

I mean, got it. Looks like I'll be waiting a bit longer since I do want a complete profile player.

Madhatter · 11-30-2007, 07:27 AM

Will have to continue this conversation later. I have a conference to attend and a flight to catch to Baltimore. Doing this in one day. Normally I stay overnight, but since Baltimore is the one city I wouldn't want to stay in any longer than I have to, I'll be out of there tonight. No offense to any Baltimorions, but damn. Better you than me.

Lee Stewart · 11-30-2007, 07:29 AM

IMO - the IF/WE will be the savior of HDM. The public will want it if the studios use it properly. They have every incentive in the world to do so because it will be another source of revenue for them. One they desperately need.

The public has never cared about better PQ and AQ. But they love shopping and they love the internet.

Black Friday was not good for B&M retailers as compared to last year. But Cyber Monday was good for E-Tailers. Their sales were much higher than last year. People are trying to save on gas - and sitting in your own home makes shopping a pleasure as opposed to driving from store to store.

PrinceLH · 11-30-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Q2 2008 should see the release of 2.0 BD players. If you are interested in a complete BD player - you can wait until a full profile player arrives.

Then you HD DVD'rs can buy one and join the victory party. Then all will be forgiven. Something like General LEE's surrender at Appomattox and the Confederate States rejoining the Union. The Troop ratio was about the same too, 72.6 for the Blu Side and 27.4 for the Grey side. I guess now is the time for the HD DVD surrender. OK, General LEE, it's time to sign on the bottom line, and buy that new 2.0 profile Blu Ray player.

Lee Stewart · 11-30-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PrinceLH

Then you HD DVD'rs can buy one and join the victory party. Then all will be forgiven. Something like General LEE's surrender at Appomattox and the Confederate States rejoining the Union. The Troop ratio was about the same too, 72.6 for the Blu Side and 27.4 for the Grey side. I guess now is the time for the HD DVD surrender. OK, General LEE, it's time to sign on the bottom line, and buy that new 2.0 profile Blu Ray player.

More of your bullshit Prince?

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Just Got Back From HDForums, Time To Relax
Well, I just went over, kicked some DUD ass, because I was bored. It's like fishing with dynamite. Throw in some bait and watch the suckers bite. They are so predictable and so blinded by their chosen Messiah's that it's almost too easy. Desperation is everywhere and the fud is piled high. Most of the AVS red refugees are over there doing their usual clothes washing, with the spin cycle on high. Now for some comfort time in our Blu lair

GO BACK NOW!

daleb · 11-30-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PrinceLH

Hey, the truth is the truth is the truth. !080i, is 1080i. The new standard is 1080p, until something better comes on the scene. Obsolete is obsolete. If it we're not so, then Toshiba would have had no reason to produce newer 1080p models and forced to sell the old stock, with old firmware, at a massive loss. I guess there's no more money in the kitty for any new studio purchases this year. Too bad, Warner can't be bought so cheaply, like Parawhore!

That's why most consumers have 720p displays, because 1080i is obsolete. Duh!
Get real. 1080p is only 'a standard' along with all the other levels of resolution.
Unless you are rooting for the consumers who use 1080p but do not know the difference. It is a fact some of the best displays are 720p and sometimes work better with SD material. as well as 1080i.
And most people watch a mixed bag of rez on their displays. Like SD broadcasts and the plethora of DVDs.
1080p is great, but really wasted on displays less than 50" unless you sit up real close.
Now if you are ONLY talking about watching 1080p sources, you are correct. But you just lost the majority of consumers. I guess BD can count on the ones left over!
I can understand the elitism that prevails, and if the BD proponents want to appeal to only those, go for it! And keep all the uninformed consumers who buy more than they need also. Nice market share!
(and sadly the latter part is bigger than it should be).
Let HD DVD and the associated mfgs. keep providing a full range of products to satisfy a full range of consumers.
All your comments about Parawhore and Toshiba selling cheap are obviously emotional with little substance. And have no bearing in a rational discussion. But I understand they provide a venting opportunity, so go for it! It has great entertainment value anyway!

**PFC5** · 11-30-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PrinceLH

Of course it's all Sony, and Panasonic, Samsung, Pioneer,......vs Toshiba, Toshiba and Toshiba. How much money did Toshiba burn to get rid of those old, obsolete A2's and A3's? Cutting edge technolgy, in wonderful 1080i! Last time I checked, a BD50 disk cost around $1.25. So where is the loss, when selling their stock at $14.99? I guess Paramount and Universal can't afford to keep up with the competition, and give the HD DUD fifedom a break in their software!

How come the PS3 outputting 1080p doesn't look any better than outputting 1080i on my 1080p display? How come it still doesn't look any better than my A1 or A2 outputting 1080i on the same display?

It is because 1080p is a BS red herring that has already been debunked many many times by the experts, and YOU know it.

Now let's talk about something that IS a REAL issue like BD profiles. Care to talk about a REAL issue like that?

crazyal · 11-30-2007, 11:54 AM

What's funny is that the BDAis counting on PS3 sales to carry Blu-Ray but the NDP group found only 50% of PS3 users know it outputs in HD. So for all the talk about 1080p vs 1080i it seams that almost half of the BR owners doen't even care about anything above 480.

11-30-2007, 11:54 AM	#150
crazyal Smarter than the ave bear Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,314	What's funny is that the BDAis counting on PS3 sales to carry Blu-Ray but the NDP group found only 50% of PS3 users know it outputs in HD. So for all the talk about 1080p vs 1080i it seams that almost half of the BR owners doen't even care about anything above 480. __________________ Please don't feed the Unicorns

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11-30-2007, 07:27 AM	#144
Madhatter High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 409	Will have to continue this conversation later. I have a conference to attend and a flight to catch to Baltimore. Doing this in one day. Normally I stay overnight, but since Baltimore is the one city I wouldn't want to stay in any longer than I have to, I'll be out of there tonight. No offense to any Baltimorions, but damn. Better you than me.

11-30-2007, 07:29 AM	#145
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 58 Posts: 25,193	IMO - the IF/WE will be the savior of HDM. The public will want it if the studios use it properly. They have every incentive in the world to do so because it will be another source of revenue for them. One they desperately need. The public has never cared about better PQ and AQ. But they love shopping and they love the internet. Black Friday was not good for B&M retailers as compared to last year. But Cyber Monday was good for E-Tailers. Their sales were much higher than last year. People are trying to save on gas - and sitting in your own home makes shopping a pleasure as opposed to driving from store to store.