Why did Disney choose Blu Ray in the First Place?

connerc_37 · 11-27-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PrinceLH

15 years old, huh. I think that I had about 800 CD's in my collection, along with 1400 record albums, the day you were born. I've seen all kind of different formats, wars, etc.

Why would I choose Blu? Higher amount of bandwidth per disk, more studio support, more titles available, higher percentage of disk sales, many different A/V companies making hardware. instead of just one, more lossless audio titles, .......

800 CDs and 1400 Records. Congratulations. Did you have 400 Beta Max tapes too? Or could you tell that your beloved Sony was going to loose? No matter how old I am, Ive been watchin this war since the beggining. Im careful about what I say, so that assholes like you don't give me crap. But you do anyway, even though you contradict yourself with the format war stalemate statment. As far as lossless sound, Im pretty sure that HD DVD gets TrueHD exclusivley right now. Also, I just saw a thread saying all Paramount Blu Rays are being destroyed. Out of the "3 big studios", Blu only has Warner. The only collection of Paramount Blu Ray movies will be in a rare antique shop 10 years from now.

PrinceLH · 11-27-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by connerc_37

800 CDs and 1400 Records. Congratulations. Did you have 400 Beta Max tapes too? Or could you tell that your beloved Sony was going to loose? No matter how old I am, Ive been watchin this war since the beggining. Im careful about what I say, so that assholes like you don't give me crap. But you do anyway, even though you contradict yourself with the format war stalemate statment. As far as lossless sound, Im pretty sure that HD DVD gets TrueHD exclusivley right now. Also, I just saw a thread saying all Paramount Blu Rays are being destroyed. Out of the "3 big studios", Blu only has Warner. The only collection of Paramount Blu Ray movies will be in a rare antique shop 10 years from now.

Because your 15 years old, I'll let the asshole comment slide. I was once 15 and liked getting into electronics, so I know where your coming from.

In 10 years both formats will be in the antique shop. DVD has been around only 10 years, and it's already getting shipped out to the pawn shops. On the VHS/Batamax thing, my first one was VHS for the record. I went for the increased practical storage, 6 - 10 hours of recording time. Something like 50GB's to 30 GB's of storage space. Over 60% of Blu Ray Disks have lossless or uncompressed, as opposed to under 30% of HD DVD. Format wars are won and lost on best performance and proper marketing. With Toshiba taking on the rest of the Consumer Electronics world, they are in tough. Their recent strategy to sell below cost is now backfiring, with people returning the A2's, because the are having a hard time doing a firmware update. Without a major studio shift, in favour of HD DVD, they are losing ground, with every winning week by Blu Ray in software sales.

connerc_37 · 11-27-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PrinceLH

Because your 15 years old, I'll let the asshole comment slide. I was once 15 and liked getting into electronics, so I know where your coming from.

In 10 years both formats will be in the antique shop. DVD has been around only 10 years, and it's already getting shipped out to the pawn shops. On the VHS/Batamax thing, my first one was VHS for the record. I went for the increased practical storage, 6 - 10 hours of recording time. Something like 50GB's to 30 GB's of storage space. Over 60% of Blu Ray Disks have lossless or uncompressed, as opposed to under 30% of HD DVD. Format wars are won and lost on best performance and proper marketing. With Toshiba taking on the rest of the Consumer Electronics world, they are in tough. Their recent strategy to sell below cost is now backfiring, with people returning the A2's, because the are having a hard time doing a firmware update. Without a major studio shift, in favour of HD DVD, they are losing ground, with every winning week by Blu Ray in software sales.

On the antique that may be true. But in 10 years one format will be long dead. Ok, you went for the larger video, but thats not why it won, it won for many other reasons. HD DVD is making the best progress. They actually sell their players for a good price and they treat their supporters better. Their studios also release more movies. When you have Microsoft on your side you are never taking on the world. Show me an article about returning A2s. Where do people get these numbers that Blu Ray disks sell more? Every time I go on Amazon, the HD DVD version of a disk is selling better than the Blu Ray version.

PrinceLH · 11-27-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by connerc_37

On the antique that may be true. But in 10 years one format will be long dead. Ok, you went for the larger video, but thats not why it won, it won for many other reasons. HD DVD is making the best progress. They actually sell their players for a good price and they treat their supporters better. Their studios also release more movies. When you have Microsoft on your side you are never taking on the world. Show me an article about returning A2s. Where do people get these numbers that Blu Ray disks sell more? Every time I go on Amazon, the HD DVD version of a disk is selling better than the Blu Ray version.

You need to check your numbers. There are more titles available on Blu ray than HD DVD. The yearlong percentage of Blu Rays sold is 61% Blu Ray and 39% HD DVD. HD DVD is selling their obsolete 1080i machines cheap, to get rid of them, to get some of their money back from obsolete stock. Meanwhile, Blu Ray are selling their software titles for $15.00 with Buy One Get One Sales. If you already have a machine, your getting a better benefit by getting your software cheaper. Blu Ray does not subscribe to the Combo format, forcing you to buy a 480p version of the same movie for an additional $5.00. Who is looking after their supporters better, after sale? Not HD DVD! On Microsoft, they've been sued and lost over anti-trust and anti-competiton a number of times. Check Internet Explorer vs Netscape, to get the picture about your savior.

crazyal · 11-27-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PrinceLH

Because your 15 years old, I'll let the asshole comment slide. I was once 15 and liked getting into electronics, so I know where your coming from.

In 10 years both formats will be in the antique shop. DVD has been around only 10 years, and it's already getting shipped out to the pawn shops. On the VHS/Batamax thing, my first one was VHS for the record. I went for the increased practical storage, 6 - 10 hours of recording time. Something like 50GB's to 30 GB's of storage space. Over 60% of Blu Ray Disks have lossless or uncompressed, as opposed to under 30% of HD DVD. Format wars are won and lost on best performance and proper marketing. With Toshiba taking on the rest of the Consumer Electronics world, they are in tough. Their recent strategy to sell below cost is now backfiring, with people returning the A2's, because the are having a hard time doing a firmware update. Without a major studio shift, in favour of HD DVD, they are losing ground, with every winning week by Blu Ray in software sales.

You do realize that VHS is still being sold and the chances of DVD being only found in an antique shop in 10 years is just silly. So you're trying to say VHS won because it was the better preformer over Beta?

Face it what's going to win (or loose) this war is the average Joe. If he doesn't buy into the need for HDM then it's game over for both. That scares you because J6P doesn't care about lossless or uncompressed sound, he just wants it to sound great on his middle to lower end HTS. HD DVD knew this and is geared towards him. For this reason alone HD DVD will not die anytime soon.

Do you have a link about A2's being returned because updating the firmware is difficult? My guess is not because it's simple. I'm guessing you also don't have a link proving that Toshiba sold/ is selling the A2/ A3 at a loss.

I love how BD only supporters start talking about all the CEMs who support BD yet BD would be dead right now if not for the PS3. I wonder how much money Sharp is making right now on BD players, what about Denon? Daewoo, Loewe, JVC, Funai, Mistubisi, Lite-On, LG, Phillips, Pioneer, any of these companies sell enough players yet to break even? How many are based on a refference design?

Someday this could be an asset for BD but for now it's just keeping Sony from dropping the price of the 300 down to a price where it can compete with the A3.

PrinceLH · 11-27-2007, 10:35 PM

Just to show that there was a problem with the A2's that were purchased for $98.00 recently. Many of the buyers who were not electonic savvy just returned them because they could not figure out how to uodate the old firmware.

http://www./avs-vb/showthread.php?t=...light=%2498+A2

PrinceLH · 11-27-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyal

You do realize that VHS is still being sold and the chances of DVD being only found in an antique shop in 10 years is just silly. So you're trying to say VHS won because it was the better preformer over Beta?

Face it what's going to win (or loose) this war is the average Joe. If he doesn't buy into the need for HDM then it's game over for both. That scares you because J6P doesn't care about lossless or uncompressed sound, he just wants it to sound great on his middle to lower end HTS. HD DVD knew this and is geared towards him. For this reason alone HD DVD will not die anytime soon.

Do you have a link about A2's being returned because updating the firmware is difficult? My guess is not because it's simple. I'm guessing you also don't have a link proving that Toshiba sold/ is selling the A2/ A3 at a loss.

I love how BD only supporters start talking about all the CEMs who support BD yet BD would be dead right now if not for the PS3. I wonder how much money Sharp is making right now on BD players, what about Denon? Daewoo, Loewe, JVC, Funai, Mistubisi, Lite-On, LG, Phillips, Pioneer, any of these companies sell enough players yet to break even? How many are based on a refference design?

Someday this could be an asset for BD but for now it's just keeping Sony from dropping the price of the 300 down to a price where it can compete with the A3.

They would be making more, because their not undercutting their partners and are actually making a profit on each unit sold, unlike Toshiba and the now departed Onkyo. It also allows these companies to spend money on Research and Development, since they are not subsidizing their format, all by themselves, like Toshiba.

On DVD's in pawn shops, they are almost unsaleable, since places like Walmart sell many well known titles from $2.88 - $5.88 new. How many HDM titles do you see in Pawn Shops?

crazyal · 11-27-2007, 10:50 PM

My plans are to buy a DF player. With the price on the Toshiba being so low I couldn't resist. Do you have an A2? If not then you'll just have to take my word for this.

When you opened the box Toshiba had a sheet, you couldn't miss it, telling you how to update the firmware. On that sheet it had a number to call to get a disk sent to you. I downloaded the firmware and burnt it onto a disc. To update the firmware all you needed to do was load the disc, the player asked if you wanted to upgrade and that's it.

I'm sure there are a few who returned their A2 but I know of more who returned the Sony 300. That AVS post shows most had no problems. The ones who did either didn't burn the file correctly or didn't have the internet settings right. Everyone of them could have gotten a disc from Toshiba that would have worked just fine. I'm sure you knew this though.

crazyal · 11-27-2007, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PrinceLH

They would be making more, because their not undercutting their partners and are actually making a profit on each unit sold, unlike Toshiba and the now departed Onkyo. It also allows these companies to spend money on Research and Development, since they are not subsidizing their format, all by themselves, like Toshiba.

On DVD's in pawn shops, they are almost unsaleable, since places like Walmart sell many well known titles from $2.88 - $5.88 new. How many HDM titles do you see in Pawn Shops?

Why would they be making more and where would the money come for R&D? Clearly not from sales of the current models. Sooner or later a number of the CEMs supporting BD are just going to give up or go DF. After all how can and BD CEM compete with the price of the PS3? You offer something the PS3 can't, DF support. Sammy and LG know this and it sounds like Denon is working on one too.

Onkyo just decided not to sell in Europe since it's not a very big market for them. I haven't read a thing saying that they decided not to sell in the states.

dontknowjack · 11-27-2007, 11:26 PM

And how old are you, Prince? It seems to me you coming into site like this and picking on 15 year old tells me that you are not much older than he is. Just an observation.

11-27-2007, 10:35 PM	#81
PrinceLH It's About The Movies! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Posts: 650	Just to show that there was a problem with the A2's that were purchased for $98.00 recently. Many of the buyers who were not electonic savvy just returned them because they could not figure out how to uodate the old firmware. http://www./avs-vb/showthread.php?t=...light=%2498+A2 __________________ Samsung BD UP5000 217 Blu Ray's Toshiba HD A30 & HD D3 175 HD DVD's Latest HD Purchase: 2012

11-27-2007, 10:50 PM	#83
crazyal Smarter than the ave bear Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,330	My plans are to buy a DF player. With the price on the Toshiba being so low I couldn't resist. Do you have an A2? If not then you'll just have to take my word for this. When you opened the box Toshiba had a sheet, you couldn't miss it, telling you how to update the firmware. On that sheet it had a number to call to get a disk sent to you. I downloaded the firmware and burnt it onto a disc. To update the firmware all you needed to do was load the disc, the player asked if you wanted to upgrade and that's it. I'm sure there are a few who returned their A2 but I know of more who returned the Sony 300. That AVS post shows most had no problems. The ones who did either didn't burn the file correctly or didn't have the internet settings right. Everyone of them could have gotten a disc from Toshiba that would have worked just fine. I'm sure you knew this though. __________________ Please don't feed the Unicorns

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