blu ray as a storage disc

ChiefJoseph · 11-08-2007, 03:03 AM

If I remember correctly. blu ray data is closer to the surface, thereby requiring the coating to protect the data. HD DVD, on the other hand, records the data deeper in the disc thereby not needing the coating. As a home user of possible HD discs to store on. How could blu ray ever be used in the home, because we won't have access to the coating to protect our data. It seems the only good choice for home use is HD DVD since it won't need the coating that blu manufacturers have the benefit of.

Just a thought, it popped into my head and I had to put it in writing.

oblioman · 11-08-2007, 03:20 AM

can you find an HD DVD burner for sub-$500 bucks? BD writables at 25gig float around the $12 mark, as do the HD DVD writables but these are only 15 gig. For home burning, BD is the way to go. As for you needing to coat the discs, simply not true. It has been proven that BD discs are slightly more fragile than HD DVD for a multitude of reasons, but to coat them, it simply is not true.

Dare · 11-08-2007, 08:51 AM

Can you author an HD-DVD or BD video disc? Last I checked the hackers were still working on that.

awol · 11-08-2007, 09:01 AM

Isn't the coating already applied by the manufacturer? My understanding is the different manufacturers (Sony, TDK, etc.) have different coatings that they use. The coating is applied at the factory. Your burner burns the data through it I thought.

**PFC5** · 11-08-2007, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by awol

Isn't the coating already applied by the manufacturer? My understanding is the different manufacturers (Sony, TDK, etc.) have different coatings that they use. The coating is applied at the factory. Your burner burns the data through it I thought.

You are correct AFAIK.

BobY · 11-08-2007, 10:32 AM

Yes, in fact the Durabis coating was developed by TDK first for recordable media, not BD-ROM.

30GB HD DVD writables are $19.99, but if you're looking for recordable mass storage for your computer, then BD is the choice between the two at this point.

On the other hand, if you're looking for mass storage for your computer (and not for making Hi-Def discs), there are quite a few alternatives to either Blu-Ray or HD DVD--you can get an external 500GB HDD for less than a quarter the price of a BD burner and ten 50GB BD discs.

For that matter, you can get a 500GB drive for less than half the price of just the ten 50GB BD discs alone.

**PFC5** · 11-08-2007, 10:35 AM

I don't even think the BD movie studios are using Durabis. I believe that Sony & Disney are using a proprietary formula different from Durabis.

Lee Stewart · 11-08-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

I don't even think the BD movie studios are using Durabis. I believe that Sony & Disney are using a proprietary formula different from Durabis.

Isn't this the law suit that they have gotten into from a company called Rena - sonse (SP - sounds like) that I believe calls their product "Target." ?

MikeRox · 11-08-2007, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oblioman

can you find an HD DVD burner for sub-$500 bucks? BD writables at 25gig float around the $12 mark, as do the HD DVD writables but these are only 15 gig. For home burning, BD is the way to go.

Aren't the HD DVD discs you burn far more compatible with HD DVD PLAYERS though? I was under the impression that it could be very difficult to burn Blu-ray video discs.

ChiefJoseph · 11-08-2007, 01:13 PM

What I was getting at is when HD burning reaches the masses as dvd burning has. Interesting if they burn through the coating how does it protect the data since you're going through the coating as well as the disc.

**PFC5** · 11-08-2007, 02:03 PM

It does not actually "BURN" the coating with the laser. It just focuses past the coating to the dye coating underneath to change it.

Super XP · 11-08-2007, 03:59 PM

Picture HD DVD as the successful DVD & Double Layer DVD. Their are also HD DVD burners all over the place, you just have to look for them.

Stew4HD · 11-08-2007, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobY

Yes, in fact the Durabis coating was developed by TDK first for recordable media, not BD-ROM.

30GB HD DVD writables are $19.99, but if you're looking for recordable mass storage for your computer, then BD is the choice between the two at this point.

On the other hand, if you're looking for mass storage for your computer (and not for making Hi-Def discs), there are quite a few alternatives to either Blu-Ray or HD DVD--you can get an external 500GB HDD for less than a quarter the price of a BD burner and ten 50GB BD discs.

For that matter, you can get a 500GB drive for less than half the price of just the ten 50GB BD discs alone.

Such good points, Bob. The way I see it, I can get a TERA byte of hard drive space for what a BD or HD DVD burner costs with blank discs. Yes, a Terabyte ( 1,000,000,000,000) dats a lot.

Super XP · 11-08-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

Such good points, Bob. The way I see it, I can get a TERA byte of hard drive space for what a BD or HD DVD burner costs with blank discs. Yes, a Terabyte ( 1,000,000,000,000) dats a lot.

Yup, that is my Disc storage means nothing

jnester74 · 11-09-2007, 03:02 AM

It's not the size of your storage, it's how you use it.

11-08-2007, 03:03 AM	#1
ChiefJoseph HD DVD ALL THE WAY Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 185	blu ray as a storage disc If I remember correctly. blu ray data is closer to the surface, thereby requiring the coating to protect the data. HD DVD, on the other hand, records the data deeper in the disc thereby not needing the coating. As a home user of possible HD discs to store on. How could blu ray ever be used in the home, because we won't have access to the coating to protect our data. It seems the only good choice for home use is HD DVD since it won't need the coating that blu manufacturers have the benefit of. Just a thought, it popped into my head and I had to put it in writing. __________________ Hitachi 65twx20b Denon AVR 789 Infinity RS5 front Infinity RS3 rear Infinity IL36c center Velodyne DPS-10 Toshiba HD A2 Sony BDP-S350 Dishnetwork VIP722 HD DVR Massive Roof HD antenna

11-08-2007, 03:20 AM	#2
oblioman OTIS,,me hero Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Someville TN Posts: 4,554	HD DVD as a storage disc can you find an HD DVD burner for sub-$500 bucks? BD writables at 25gig float around the $12 mark, as do the HD DVD writables but these are only 15 gig. For home burning, BD is the way to go. As for you needing to coat the discs, simply not true. It has been proven that BD discs are slightly more fragile than HD DVD for a multitude of reasons, but to coat them, it simply is not true.

11-08-2007, 08:51 AM	#3
Dare I moon you. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 4,436	Can you author an HD-DVD or BD video disc? Last I checked the hackers were still working on that. __________________ LG GGC-H20L Super Multi Blue Blu-ray & HD DVD ROM Drive 58 31

11-08-2007, 10:32 AM	#6
BobY What's all this, then?... Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,197	Yes, in fact the Durabis coating was developed by TDK first for recordable media, not BD-ROM. 30GB HD DVD writables are $19.99, but if you're looking for recordable mass storage for your computer, then BD is the choice between the two at this point. On the other hand, if you're looking for mass storage for your computer (and not for making Hi-Def discs), there are quite a few alternatives to either Blu-Ray or HD DVD--you can get an external 500GB HDD for less than a quarter the price of a BD burner and ten 50GB BD discs. For that matter, you can get a 500GB drive for less than half the price of just the ten 50GB BD discs alone. Last edited by BobY; 11-08-2007 at 10:42 AM.

11-08-2007, 10:35 AM	#7
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,349	I don't even think the BD movie studios are using Durabis. I believe that Sony & Disney are using a proprietary formula different from Durabis. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

11-08-2007, 09:01 AM	#4
awol I'm Fabulous. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,661	Isn't the coating already applied by the manufacturer? My understanding is the different manufacturers (Sony, TDK, etc.) have different coatings that they use. The coating is applied at the factory. Your burner burns the data through it I thought.

11-08-2007, 01:13 PM	#10
ChiefJoseph HD DVD ALL THE WAY Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 185	What I was getting at is when HD burning reaches the masses as dvd burning has. Interesting if they burn through the coating how does it protect the data since you're going through the coating as well as the disc. __________________ Hitachi 65twx20b Denon AVR 789 Infinity RS5 front Infinity RS3 rear Infinity IL36c center Velodyne DPS-10 Toshiba HD A2 Sony BDP-S350 Dishnetwork VIP722 HD DVR Massive Roof HD antenna

11-08-2007, 02:03 PM	#11
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,349	It does not actually "BURN" the coating with the laser. It just focuses past the coating to the dye coating underneath to change it. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

11-08-2007, 03:59 PM	#12
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11-09-2007, 03:02 AM	#15
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