HD DVD Combo's - What Went Wrong?

**PFC5** · 09-15-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by unotis

They didn't abandon the idea they failed to perfect it after two attempts.

Failing it is not the same as abandoning it or would you prefer to think the Nazi's decided to abandon their try at world domination and conquest instead of failed at it?

so would they!

Stew4HD · 09-15-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

I own well over a hundred standard definition discs that have no Blu-Ray version. If I don't have access to the main TV I can always play one those. Or better yet I can do my homework, read, or go looking for action.

Personally I wouldn't have a problem with combos if we were given a choice. Most combo releases are combo only. Why not release a cheaper HD-DVD only version for people like me who don't want the inferior tech.

The only part of your statement I agree with is price. The idea of combos is a good one, IMO. I would like to see the price drop to SD prices and then the studios release the combos only for a while. Let them be the same kind of Trojan Horse the PS3 BD players was.

cougardew · 09-15-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Honestly no. If Blu-Ray were to release a combo disc I would be just as opposed. I remember their was talk of Blu-Ray combos before release yet none have materialized and I view this only as a good thing. Why not package VHS version with DVD copies? Cause its stupid. People who buy high definition discs want high definition discs.

Because they won't work on the same machine. You can't shove a VHS tape into any DVD player HD or otherwise. A TL twin, on the other hand, will fit AND PLAY in ANY DVD player even Blu-Ray. Please stop saying that combining SD and HD on one disc is the same as packaging a VHS with DVD. It's not even close to the same thing. If you don't like the combos you have a right to your opinion but the VHS thing is a bad example.

mshulman · 09-15-2007, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

If thats true then why don't combo HD-DVDs outsell HD-DVD only discs. Their is no evidence that combos sell higher in fact some suggest they sell worse. HD media is not going to sell by piggybacking on inferior tech. If it could it already would have. It needs to sell on its own merits. In fact HD-DVD combos have done nothing but help Blu-Ray with discs that are $4 cheaper and have cool disc art that doesn't require you to squint your eyes to see if you are playing the right side. HD-DVD only studio Paramount has never used the combo format and I believe over time Warner and Universal will slowly abandon combo discs.

Simply because Combo's are overpriced right now. And we don't really have any good comparison's to go by, do we?

I only think Combo's are priced as high as they are due to low volume. When we reach a point where a million plus are being sold of each title in a short amount of time, I think they could use Combo's and sell them at a lower price. I recall threads that listed pricing and combo's seemed to only cost slightly more than regular HD DVD's, yet studios charge significantly more.

Jimmy Smith · 09-15-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cougardew

Because they won't work on the same machine. You can't shove a VHS tape into any DVD player HD or otherwise. A TL twin, on the other hand, will fit AND PLAY in ANY DVD player even Blu-Ray. Please stop saying that combining SD and HD on one disc is the same as packaging a VHS with DVD. It's not even close to the same thing. If you don't like the combos you have a right to your opinion but the VHS thing is a bad example.

DVD may not have been able to work with VHS but it could work with VCD. No attempt was ever made at a DVD/VCD combo and that would be technically possible. Truth is it was a stupid idea to begin with that in the end has only hurt HD-DVD.

Lee Stewart · 09-15-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

DVD may not have been able to work with VHS but it could work with VCD. No attempt was ever made at a DVD/VCD combo and that would be technically possible. Truth is it was a stupid idea to begin with that in the end has only hurt HD-DVD.

So Jimmy . . .time to change your Sig? I mean 51 IS bigger than 50 you know

And the TL Twin is going to take BD right out of the war and leave it as the format for the PS3 and a recordable format for the Enterprise market and whatever movies Sony chooses to give it.

Studios want to make MONEY and the TL twin priced just a few dollars higher than a DVD allows them to do that. Which at the same time will be substantially less than a BD movie.

They will be made by the millions for each title released. It is truly the wet dream the studios have been looking for - how to increase their revenue on "DVD"

And the BDA has nothing like it.

**PFC5** · 09-16-2007, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

DVD may not have been able to work with VHS but it could work with VCD. No attempt was ever made at a DVD/VCD combo and that would be technically possible. Truth is it was a stupid idea to begin with that in the end has only hurt HD-DVD.

VCD was a Chinese format used by the cheapest of pirates so they could fit it on a CD instead of the more expensive SD DVD discs.

SO tell me WHY studios would use this format? To make it easier to pirate?

Jimmy Smith · 09-16-2007, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

So Jimmy . . .time to change your Sig? I mean 51 IS bigger than 50 you know

And the TL Twin is going to take BD right out of the war and leave it as the format for the PS3 and a recordable format for the Enterprise market and whatever movies Sony chooses to give it.

Studios want to make MONEY and the TL twin priced just a few dollars higher than a DVD allows them to do that. Which at the same time will be substantially less than a BD movie.

They will be made by the millions for each title released. It is truly the wet dream the studios have been looking for - how to increase their revenue on "DVD"

And the BDA has nothing like it.

51 gig discs have not been released and have no announced titles. Until they do my signiture remains the same.

Combos have proven they don't help HD-DVD its ridculous to assume this new kind will when all previous versions have been failures.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Definition of insanity

**PFC5** · 09-16-2007, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

51 gig discs have not been released and have no announced titles. Until they do my signiture remains the same.

Combos have proven they don't help HD-DVD its ridculous to assume this new kind will when all previous versions have been failures.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Definition of insanity

The TWIN disc will most likely be cheaper to mfg than the combo discs and IF the studios price it right at a couple of $ over SD DVD pricing, you KNOW it will be a huge hit don't you Jimmy?

What do you think it would look like IF you could get a HD DVD & a SD DVD for a much lower cost compared to a BD movie?

How do you think the average movie buyer would react to the much higher priced BD movies compared to the HD DVDs, especially when you get a SD version to make SURE it would not be obsolete EVER?

Isn't this really the nightmare of Sony/BDA and BD fans IF they priced them like this and did this? Wouldn't you think that the war would be over much quicker?

samcan07 · 09-16-2007, 02:04 AM

I would never buy a combo disc. Just as bad as DVD flippers in my book!!!!

Dare · 09-16-2007, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

DVD may not have been able to work with VHS but it could work with VCD. No attempt was ever made at a DVD/VCD combo and that would be technically possible. Truth is it was a stupid idea to begin with that in the end has only hurt HD-DVD.

When was the last time you went to Best Buy and saw 7 aisles full of VCDs?

Stew4HD · 09-16-2007, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by samcan07

I would never buy a combo disc. Just as bad as DVD flippers in my book!!!!

Ummm, ok. You can say you NEVER would but you don't have that option, do you? Now, do you have kids, family members or friends with SD players? I am guessing yes... so, can you take your BD over to their house and watch the movie? Let me guess again.. NOPE!

BD bloo bloods have a problem seeing this advantage. How much does it cost to buy an HDD and an SD of the same movie? Less than the combos. My brother and friends ask me if the new HD DVD I got is a combo when I get a new movie.

I guess I don't see combos as a bad thing. It's a good transition from SD to HDD, but then again, the BDA wants world domination today, to hell with making life easier for the consumer.

The ONLY downside I see to combos is price. IMO, why should it cost more for them than, let's say, a SD with full screen on one side and widescreen on the other? I have many of those in my collection and didn't have to pay 1.5 times the price of a one sided disc.

Ok, rant over.. as you were

samcan07 · 09-16-2007, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

Ummm, ok. You can say you NEVER would but you don't have that option, do you? Now, do you have kids, family members or friends with SD players? I am guessing yes... so, can you take your BD over to their house and watch the movie? Let me guess again.. NOPE!

BD bloo bloods have a problem seeing this advantage. How much does it cost to buy an HDD and an SD of the same movie? Less than the combos. My brother and friends ask me if the new HD DVD I got is a combo when I get a new movie.

I guess I don't see combos as a bad thing. It's a good transition from SD to HDD, but then again, the BDA wants world domination today, to hell with making life easier for the consumer.

The ONLY downside I see to combos is price. IMO, why should it cost more for them than, let's say, a SD with full screen on one side and widescreen on the other? I have many of those in my collection and didn't have to pay 1.5 times the price of a one sided disc.

Ok, rant over.. as you were

My son has a ps3.
But I don't take my discs to others places.
If they want to watch them they can come to my place!!!!
Yeah I'm a scroodge!!

If I get a HD DVD player I still wont buy combos and I don't think they'll take off!!!
Just my opinion. I hated flippers on DVD also!!!!

MikeRox · 09-16-2007, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Why not release a cheaper HD-DVD only version for people like me who don't want the inferior tech.

Because it wouldn't be cheaper in most cases. The price hike from combos is masked by the fact that they are only used for day and date releases, which most studios charge a premium for anyway. Fox and Paramount charge $40 for day and date WITHOUT combo.

unotis · 09-16-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

51 gig discs have not been released and have no announced titles. Until they do my signiture remains the same.

Combos have proven they don't help HD-DVD its ridculous to assume this new kind will when all previous versions have been failures.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Definition of insanity

Jimmy, not trying to be hard on you, but a better saying then the one above would be: Saying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Definition of insanity!

I think you and some of your Blu-Ray compatriots should step back and come up with some new revised opinions/postings to support your stance of Blu-Ray being the superior format, because the ones you all are using are no longer relevant.

Just trying to help!

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samcan07 We're caught in a trap... Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 927	I would never buy a combo disc. Just as bad as DVD flippers in my book!!!!