PS3 shoving blu ray down peoples throats

belmonte83 · 08-30-2007, 11:52 PM

im sure everybody can agree on that.

my question is if microsoft launched the HD DVD player built in to their 360's when they launched, wouldnt there be 10-11 million or so HD DVD players on the market right now?

i work at Best Buy and the guys in the gaming section say SOME people who buy a PS3 are buying blu ray movies AND DONT EVEN HAVE AN HDTV! but because the thing plays blu ray, they buy the titles anyway.

people say the paramount deal was bad for the format war? i think the PS3 is down right unhealthy for this war.

no PS3 = buh bye blu ray. accept it people that youre "superior technology" is alive because of a videogame console

HiramAbiff · 08-31-2007, 12:50 AM

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my question is if microsoft launched the HD DVD player built in to their 360's when they launched, wouldnt there be 10-11 million or so HD DVD players on the market right now?

Not unless they had decided to come out at the same price, in which case they would have been taking a massive loss. HD DVD didn't hit the market until the next year anyway.

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i work at Best Buy and the guys in the gaming section say SOME people who buy a PS3 are buying blu ray movies AND DONT EVEN HAVE AN HDTV! but because the thing plays blu ray, they buy the titles anyway.

They probably expect to get one in the future. After a while, I made sure I only bought anamorphic DVDs (if they were widescreen movies) long before I ever got a widescreen tv.

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people say the paramount deal was bad for the format war? i think the PS3 is down right unhealthy for this war.

Define what it means to be "bad for the format war." The format was is a good thing in that it challenges each company to put out their best product at the lowest price, all to the advantage of the consumer. Anything that works to that end is a good thing. The PS3 coming out forced HD DVD players to come down in price way faster than they would have otherwise.

brianh · 08-31-2007, 01:47 AM

Most people who have the ps3 don't care about the movie part of it.
That's a fact. Of course 'most' doesn't mean ALL, so you see some exceptions to the rule posting here.

IMO blu-ray is a GREAT format for video gaming. NOT for movies.
Killzone and other games will use that 50 gb.
It really should be just for the ps3. But Sony is Sony and their arrogance takes over.
I mean....here's the thing. With blu-ray Sony took a HUGE GIGANTIC BITE and their mouth couldn't handle it.
Blu-ray has the POTENTIAL to be great. It really does.
But Sony has f***ed it up in ways that only they can.
I mean blu-ray is compatible with every form of next-gen compression. And most forms of audio.
The java isn't ready from primetime yet. It's too damn complicated.
Plus you got the technology itself being too proprietary and expensive.
So Sony is trying to push this format which is essentially equal to hd dvd in potential and the price is too high. But it's Sony so you'll buy it! Please. That's exactly the attitude they had with the ps3.
You'll buy it b/c it's Sony.
I mean if they didn't have THAT one philosophy, they probably wouldn't have done all of this.
B/c if you eliminate that 'buy it cuz it's made by SONY!" then you have immature technology that is oh btw VERY expensive and not very stable. 50gb yields STILL are low.

I still think Howard Stringer should be fired. What other company could be at the forefront of this technology that has gone so wrong, and have nobody at the head of that company be thrown out?
It's crazy.

It's kind of like going into a tv show room and looking at tv's.
In reality, Sony tv's , at least in my experience actually DO look better. They cost much more but they look better.
That justifies the extra cost to me and to other people.

Now imagine a world where to EVERYBODY'S eyes no doubt about it, the Sony tv's looked the same as every other tv. But Sony prices them twice as much. Yeah they wouldn't last long.
'People will buy the tv's b/c they have the Sony logo on the front'
Uh...no ... they won't.
That's just stupid arrogance.

I think M$ was hedging their bets with hd dvd. They wouldn't admit it, but I mean come on, increasing the price to include hd dvd and who knows if it will be popular. "It's a console not a movie player".
I mean that argument does make sense. When you are absolutely depesperate to beat Sony at their own game, you aren't going to put a 'potential' ball and chain on your console.
It made sense for them to not include it back then. But now, it's a gravy train. They have nothing to lose by doing it now.
Sony took a HUGE gamble and so far it has not paid off.
Then people pay $600 for a console...to justify buying it with hardly any good games, they buy movies. I'd do that too lol.
You wanna use the thing for something don't you? : )

Uh the people who say the para/dw deal was bad for the format war or blu kool-aid drinkers.
I honestly think that deal put us MUCH closer to the end of this stuff.
I mean perception does rule. Para then WB then Disney. Or maybe Para Disney then WB. Either way one domino falls the rest feel it.
People who want Uni to go neutral or ALL studios to go blu got their pants in a bind.
It was a victory for common sense. And usually when ONE steps up, the rest follow if the pervading sense goes with it.

oblioman · 08-31-2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by belmonte83

im sure everybody can agree on that.

my question is if microsoft launched the HD DVD player built in to their 360's when they launched, wouldnt there be 10-11 million or so HD DVD players on the market right now?

i work at Best Buy and the guys in the gaming section say SOME people who buy a PS3 are buying blu ray movies AND DONT EVEN HAVE AN HDTV! but because the thing plays blu ray, they buy the titles anyway.

people say the paramount deal was bad for the format war? i think the PS3 is down right unhealthy for this war.

no PS3 = buh bye blu ray. accept it people that youre "superior technology" is alive because of a videogame console

Wow,,you work at BB and come up with this lame post??? You quote that some of the guys in the gaming section say that people are buying BD movies for their PS3, but they don't have HDTV's? Have you taken the time to correct them? Have you considered for a moment that the guys over in the TV section just might be selling them a HDTV at the same time? We have seen many post's on this site about a severe lack of HD knowledge at B&M's,,BestBuy and Circuit City most noted. Do yourself a favor and the HD world a favor. Educate yourself and those around you in the benefits of HD. Help teach the public, all the while learning a thing or three yourself about retail sales and being a knowledgable salesperson. Do not sit back and guffaw - be a leader. Learn and share young man.

Super XP · 08-31-2007, 05:44 AM

Actually Blu-Ray on the PS3 has been having problems with the discs skipping & the player overheating or something, I am not sure Sony fixed this or not, but it was a problem that Sony tried to cover up Big Time after its 6 month release into retail.

So Blu-Ray has its problems.

Stew4HD · 08-31-2007, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Actually Blu-Ray on the PS3 has been having problems with the discs skipping & the player overheating or something, I am not sure Sony fixed this or not, but it was a problem that Sony tried to cover up Big Time after its 6 month release into retail.

So Blu-Ray has its problems.

I don't have a lot of BDs but the ones I have played, have (too many haves in one sentence?) played flawlessly. Now, as for the PS3 I own, it is very quirky. Most times, I cannot turn it on or off withthe pomer button. I turn mine on by inserting disc and off by the main power switch on the back of it. If I use the power switch on the front, it just beeps at me and continues as it was doing. It has always done this.

brianh · 08-31-2007, 06:05 AM

Blu-ray has it's problems. There's an understatement LOL!

08-31-2007, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by belmonte83

im sure everybody can agree on that.

my question is if microsoft launched the HD DVD player built in to their 360's when they launched, wouldnt there be 10-11 million or so HD DVD players on the market right now?

i work at Best Buy and the guys in the gaming section say SOME people who buy a PS3 are buying blu ray movies AND DONT EVEN HAVE AN HDTV! but because the thing plays blu ray, they buy the titles anyway.

[...]

Erm, i don´t agree.

At this point, imo each and every HDM sold is good for HDM as a whole. (What´s good for the goose, is good for the gender

) This tiny market needs all the sales it can get. So even if one buys HDM without an HDTV, it´s still one more disc sold. As noted already, he might eventually buy a high rez display.

Then think of this: If HDM tried to appeal to the "Videophile" only, the market would even be smaller and the fate of SACD/DVD-Audio might loom even more than it does now. So trying to get the "videoconsole kids" on board seems like a smart move to me, as it broadens the potential customer base. As a group they might not have a high spendable income right now, but chances are they will eventually and then they are already branded with HighDef.

oblioman · 08-31-2007, 06:19 AM

Xbox don't have problems? how many "stand alone HD DVD" or "add on" players attached to the X-Box blue ring of death machines are waiting for replacement "fathers"??? OOps,,blame Sony for pushing a game player and a movie viewer in the same machine. Claim it as shoving BD down peoples throat, but now what is MS trying to sell??? What do they call it, an Elite??? me calls it as microsofttryingtocoverupitsbullshitxboxscreaminglo udjetpieceofshitnowtryingtocopysony.

deadeyedaryl · 08-31-2007, 06:37 AM

The elite only has HDMI and a bigger HDD. The choice of HDM is still upto the consumer.

GLOW · 08-31-2007, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

Wow,,you work at BB and come up with this lame post??? You quote that some of the guys in the gaming section say that people are buying BD movies for their PS3, but they don't have HDTV's? Have you taken the time to correct them? Have you considered for a moment that the guys over in the TV section just might be selling them a HDTV at the same time? We have seen many post's on this site about a severe lack of HD knowledge at B&M's,,BestBuy and Circuit City most noted. Do yourself a favor and the HD world a favor. Educate yourself and those around you in the benefits of HD. Help teach the public, all the while learning a thing or three yourself about retail sales and being a knowledgable salesperson. Do not sit back and guffaw - be a leader. Learn and share young man.

Excellent post, oblioman!

GLOW · 08-31-2007, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Actually Blu-Ray on the PS3 has been having problems with the discs skipping & the player overheating or something, I am not sure Sony fixed this or not, but it was a problem that Sony tried to cover up Big Time after its 6 month release into retail.

So Blu-Ray has its problems.

You have no idea what you are talking about and are just making stuff up now. Quite pathetic.

belmonte83 · 08-31-2007, 10:22 AM

the main point of my post is if the PS3 didnt have blu ray, that format would have failed months ago, where as HD DVD would survive without the Xbox 360 add-on

neal77 · 08-31-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Actually Blu-Ray on the PS3 has been having problems with the discs skipping & the player overheating or something, I am not sure Sony fixed this or not, but it was a problem that Sony tried to cover up Big Time after its 6 month release into retail.

So Blu-Ray has its problems.

Actually he is right. The one at our store (Target) always locks up and doesn't work half the time. Been that way since day 1. People in the electronics dept told me that a lot of them had problems when the ps3 was launched. Yes the 360 has problems too but atleast MS is trying to make it right for people that bought them. What has Sony done besides cover things like this up.

**bruceames** · 08-31-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by belmonte83

the main point of my post is if the PS3 didnt have blu ray, that format would have failed months ago, where as HD DVD would survive without the Xbox 360 add-on

I would agree with that. In fact the main reason Blu-ray got so much support to begin with was due to the PS3 Blu-ray potential. Also that's undoubtedly why WB and Paramount decided to hedge their bets and go nuetral early last year.

Now that the PS3 is underdelivering on expectations, the fallout will continue...

08-30-2007, 11:52 PM	#1
belmonte83 HD DVD for movie fans Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 174	PS3 shoving blu ray down peoples throats im sure everybody can agree on that. my question is if microsoft launched the HD DVD player built in to their 360's when they launched, wouldnt there be 10-11 million or so HD DVD players on the market right now? i work at Best Buy and the guys in the gaming section say SOME people who buy a PS3 are buying blu ray movies AND DONT EVEN HAVE AN HDTV! but because the thing plays blu ray, they buy the titles anyway. people say the paramount deal was bad for the format war? i think the PS3 is down right unhealthy for this war. no PS3 = buh bye blu ray. accept it people that youre "superior technology" is alive because of a videogame console __________________ XBOX 360 gamertag: belmonte 83 Xbox 360 Elite Xbox 360 HD DVD player RCA Scenium 50" DLP Pioneer HTP 1100 5.1 Surround Sound with Pioneer SX-315 receiver and DV-490V HDMI DVD player HD DVD Movies: 50 Recently Purchased:Bourne Identity, Bourne Supremacy, Bourne Ultimatum, Blade Runner, The Kingdom

08-31-2007, 05:44 AM	#5
Super XP Tom Baker (1974-1981) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto, ON. Canada Posts: 5,983	Actually Blu-Ray on the PS3 has been having problems with the discs skipping & the player overheating or something, I am not sure Sony fixed this or not, but it was a problem that Sony tried to cover up Big Time after its 6 month release into retail. So Blu-Ray has its problems. __________________ Toshiba REGZA 46" 1080p LCD HDTV (46RF350U) - (Living Room) Toshiba REGZA 47" 1080p 240Hz LCD HDTV (47ZV650U) - (Theatre Room) Toshiba HD-A35 / HD-A3 Patriot PBO CORE 1080p HD Media Player Panasonic DMP-BDT210(3D) w/ Wifi LG BD570C Blu-Ray Player w/ Wifi Bell HD Satellite Receiver (6131) x 2 Onkyo TX-SR605 7.1 TrueHD/DTS HD MA Precision Acoustics™ 8Ch. Hi Def Speakers DVD's = 129+ = 124+ = 59+

08-31-2007, 06:37 AM	#10
deadeyedaryl High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: southampton , UK Age: 22 Posts: 621	The elite only has HDMI and a bigger HDD. The choice of HDM is still upto the consumer. __________________ 50" HD plasma xbox 360/ + add on PS3 60GB HD-EP30 + 11 Xbox Live gamertag = Deadeyedaryl PSN = Deadeyedaryl http://www.bebo.com/deadeyedaryl

08-31-2007, 10:22 AM	#13
belmonte83 HD DVD for movie fans Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 174	the main point of my post is if the PS3 didnt have blu ray, that format would have failed months ago, where as HD DVD would survive without the Xbox 360 add-on __________________ XBOX 360 gamertag: belmonte 83 Xbox 360 Elite Xbox 360 HD DVD player RCA Scenium 50" DLP Pioneer HTP 1100 5.1 Surround Sound with Pioneer SX-315 receiver and DV-490V HDMI DVD player HD DVD Movies: 50 Recently Purchased:Bourne Identity, Bourne Supremacy, Bourne Ultimatum, Blade Runner, The Kingdom

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brianh High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,023	Most people who have the ps3 don't care about the movie part of it. That's a fact. Of course 'most' doesn't mean ALL, so you see some exceptions to the rule posting here. IMO blu-ray is a GREAT format for video gaming. NOT for movies. Killzone and other games will use that 50 gb. It really should be just for the ps3. But Sony is Sony and their arrogance takes over. I mean....here's the thing. With blu-ray Sony took a HUGE GIGANTIC BITE and their mouth couldn't handle it. Blu-ray has the POTENTIAL to be great. It really does. But Sony has f***ed it up in ways that only they can. I mean blu-ray is compatible with every form of next-gen compression. And most forms of audio. The java isn't ready from primetime yet. It's too damn complicated. Plus you got the technology itself being too proprietary and expensive. So Sony is trying to push this format which is essentially equal to hd dvd in potential and the price is too high. But it's Sony so you'll buy it! Please. That's exactly the attitude they had with the ps3. You'll buy it b/c it's Sony. I mean if they didn't have THAT one philosophy, they probably wouldn't have done all of this. B/c if you eliminate that 'buy it cuz it's made by SONY!" then you have immature technology that is oh btw VERY expensive and not very stable. 50gb yields STILL are low. I still think Howard Stringer should be fired. What other company could be at the forefront of this technology that has gone so wrong, and have nobody at the head of that company be thrown out? It's crazy. It's kind of like going into a tv show room and looking at tv's. In reality, Sony tv's , at least in my experience actually DO look better. They cost much more but they look better. That justifies the extra cost to me and to other people. Now imagine a world where to EVERYBODY'S eyes no doubt about it, the Sony tv's looked the same as every other tv. But Sony prices them twice as much. Yeah they wouldn't last long. 'People will buy the tv's b/c they have the Sony logo on the front' Uh...no ... they won't. That's just stupid arrogance. I think M$ was hedging their bets with hd dvd. They wouldn't admit it, but I mean come on, increasing the price to include hd dvd and who knows if it will be popular. "It's a console not a movie player". I mean that argument does make sense. When you are absolutely depesperate to beat Sony at their own game, you aren't going to put a 'potential' ball and chain on your console. It made sense for them to not include it back then. But now, it's a gravy train. They have nothing to lose by doing it now. Sony took a HUGE gamble and so far it has not paid off. Then people pay $600 for a console...to justify buying it with hardly any good games, they buy movies. I'd do that too lol. You wanna use the thing for something don't you? : ) Uh the people who say the para/dw deal was bad for the format war or blu kool-aid drinkers. I honestly think that deal put us MUCH closer to the end of this stuff. I mean perception does rule. Para then WB then Disney. Or maybe Para Disney then WB. Either way one domino falls the rest feel it. People who want Uni to go neutral or ALL studios to go blu got their pants in a bind. It was a victory for common sense. And usually when ONE steps up, the rest follow if the pervading sense goes with it.

08-31-2007, 06:05 AM	#7
brianh High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,023	Blu-ray has it's problems. There's an understatement LOL!

08-31-2007, 06:19 AM	#9
oblioman Every day is Friday Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Hooooterville Posts: 9,243	Xbox don't have problems? how many "stand alone HD DVD" or "add on" players attached to the X-Box blue ring of death machines are waiting for replacement "fathers"??? OOps,,blame Sony for pushing a game player and a movie viewer in the same machine. Claim it as shoving BD down peoples throat, but now what is MS trying to sell??? What do they call it, an Elite??? me calls it as microsofttryingtocoverupitsbullshitxboxscreaminglo udjetpieceofshitnowtryingtocopysony.