If you didnt have a HD machine today, would you still buy a Blu Ray Player?

connerc_37 · 08-25-2007, 12:48 PM

HDDVD has:
Universal
Paramount
Dreamworks
Warner
New Line Cinema
Weinstein
$200- 300.

Blu Ray has:
Sony
Fox
Disney
Warner ( 2/3 of HD titles for the time being)
New Line ( for the time being)
Lionsgate
$500- 800.

A year ago Sony just came out with their new HD movie player. It was gonna be the best. It had the best picture. The best sound, the most disk capacity. It even had the most studio support. It was incredible. The only catch was.... the price. Its "discraceful competitor could only broadcast 1080i, and had only one exclusive supporter. Sony looked like they would finally win a format war.

One year later... All of Sonys promises are gone. Now both formats broadcast in 1080p. HDDVD has more Dolby TrueHD titles than Blu Ray does. No disk has come close to 30 gigs let alone 50, Blu doesn't have the advantage. Sony had lost studio support that HD has gained, and the PS3 had sold terribly in America loosing sales to the Nintendo Wii 8:1. And it appears that Time Warner is coming close to pulling the plug on Sony.

This is the funny thing. After Sony promised all its fans that they would have the best if they dished out the cash, they didn't fight back at all. Blu Ray has done nothing to win support. Right now it seems like they don't need to. They have got die hard fans willing to sink with the ship if Blu Ray doesnt prevail. These fans have been brainwashed. They are fighting for a company that isn't true to them. Sony does nothing for you. They make you invest on brand new technolgy as the first and loyal, then they wave the white flag, boast about how many more units they've sold than HD DVD, take your money, and run.

Toshiba has been the best investment I have ever seen. Most companies would have thrown in the towel by now, but no. Toshiba is better than that. They go out is spend 150 million dollars on a exclusive rights to a studio just to keep the followers happy. This wasn't a good financial move for them. They really dont get that much back right now. They do however please their customers and let us know that we they are here and they mean buisness. Toshiba is going to win this war.

Sony guys are still walking around sayin, "we still got more studio support". But really no. Disney. They have made three movies. Pirates and Bridge to Terebithia. Fox isnt making any must have movies. Sony is the biggest gun right now, but thats just because they make their movies popular with money. Toshiba has support from the three biggest HD studios. Universal, Paramount and Warer Bros. Exclusive support from the first two and more support from Warner. Many of the Blu Ray fanboys come on these threads and give the what if? What if Universal switches sides? They wont. They aren't just gonna fall down dead and switch sides. HD has huge amounts of studio support that Blu Ray just cant keep up with. Its not because its impossible. Its becaue they dont care about winning.

But still today, people are walking in stores giving up $500 to get a Blu Ray player. You are actually spending money to loose studio support!!! HDDVD will win. They will win because they show that they care about winning, and winning the old fashinioned way. By shooting the most bullets and taking the most punches.

will007 · 08-25-2007, 01:24 PM

now when this war started i was a true sony fan planning on gettin a blu ray player i realy was but what held me back was the price and the pq. now hd dvd i had no plans to invest in the format because of the prices and pq also until i started researching more. meaning i compared pq and aq every time i went to either bb.cc, or even tweeter,now my thing is these so call sale reps know the deal. when hd dvd first launched last year me and my wife were at bb they had it hooked up to a westinghouse 42 inch lcd tv they were playing batman begins anyone remeber? that the picture was so great on a low end tv i was like in denial and my exact words were my upconverter looks better than that i was realy tryin to bullshit my selve.but a couple of weeks later blu ray was launched and once again me and the wifey went to bb to check it out they had a blu ray promo video playin and my wife told me that day ill never forget it. she said the player thats playin batman begins looks better than blu ray, and she was right so i made my mind up she was right my plan was to get a hd dvd player first then get a blu ray player but i was still going to wait.so this summer of may 2007 i took my first and only step and invested my money in the hd a2. now my plans were to invest in blu ray before fall but paramount made that move and i think something is up.i'll see what happens this holiday season before i make any more moves

connerc_37 · 08-25-2007, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will007

now when this war started i was a true sony fan planning on gettin a blu ray player i realy was but what held me back was the price and the pq. now hd dvd i had no plans to invest in the format because of the prices and pq also until i started researching more. meaning i compared pq and aq every time i went to either bb.cc, or even tweeter,now my thing is these so call sale reps know the deal. when hd dvd first launched last year me and my wife were at bb they had it hooked up to a westinghouse 42 inch lcd tv they were playing batman begins anyone remeber? that the picture was so great on a low end tv i was like in denial and my exact words were my upconverter looks better than that i was realy tryin to bullshit my selve.but a couple of weeks later blu ray was launched and once again me and the wifey went to bb to check it out they had a blu ray promo video playin and my wife told me that day ill never forget it. she said the player thats playin batman begins looks better than blu ray, and she was right so i made my mind up she was right my plan was to get a hd dvd player first then get a blu ray player but i was still going to wait.so this summer of may 2007 i took my first and only step and invested my money in the hd a2. now my plans were to invest in blu ray before fall but paramount made that move and i think something is up.i'll see what happens this holiday season before i make any more moves

intresting

macmarkus · 08-25-2007, 02:57 PM

Not yet. when they come down another $100 or $200 I'll buy one. I'd likely have bought one buy now if not for putting my budget into the XA2 instead.

In another angle, I won't ever buy a combo player, I like seperate components for everything like that. If one craps out, I have another in the down time !

I personally don't see much difference, other than price. That's the factor for most, regardless of all the BS spread about !

That's my two discs worth !!

Peace

Gobrunks · 08-25-2007, 07:10 PM

nope

chagopian · 08-25-2007, 08:06 PM

There's too many movies coming out from Columbia that are just too good to pass on. But for now I just own an xbox hd-dvd player.

Semp1 · 08-25-2007, 08:22 PM

Sony also has
MGM
Miramax
Starz
and from what I understand Weinstein is blu-ray exclusive now. Let's be honest people who own blu-ray only still have completely nothing to worry about they still have much more studio support and are the primary selling Hd format for now, but that could change.

Lee Stewart · 08-25-2007, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semp1

Sony also has
MGM
Miramax
Starz
and from what I understand Weinstein is blu-ray exclusive now. Let's be honest people who own blu-ray only still have completely nothing to worry about they still have much more studio support and are the primary selling Hd format for now, but that could change.

Nope. Still HD DVD Exclusive.

But you did forget Liongate for the BD side . . . for now

mswoods1 · 08-25-2007, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

But you did forget Liongate for the BD side . . . for now

Lionsgate was in OP, so that's why he didn't add it.

tcarcio · 08-25-2007, 09:00 PM

Nada............

RedSIinPA · 08-25-2007, 09:18 PM

I've never heard "taking the most punches" as being a surefire method of winning anything.

DSNY FN · 08-25-2007, 09:53 PM

No I would not buy a BR player to expensive and no real advantage over HD DVD and I will not support SONY.

Super XP · 08-25-2007, 10:26 PM

I will never support SONY, so that is out of the question, and HD DVD is what I would support. It's DVD’s on steroids & it's a stable proven technology. HD DVD all the way.

Plus I like Paramount movies & the Star Trek series.

macosxguy · 08-25-2007, 10:42 PM

Yes I still see discs on both format I want. So duel it is.

dontknowjack · 08-26-2007, 03:45 AM

I will buy it when it has profile 2.0 and HDMI 1.3. What is the point of buying a Blu-Ray player if it doesn't have those? Oh yeah and the price also has to be reasonable.

08-25-2007, 12:48 PM	#1
connerc_37 HD DVD: Way of the Future Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 17 Posts: 395	If you didnt have a HD machine today, would you still buy a Blu Ray Player? HDDVD has: Universal Paramount Dreamworks Warner New Line Cinema Weinstein $200- 300. Blu Ray has: Sony Fox Disney Warner ( 2/3 of HD titles for the time being) New Line ( for the time being) Lionsgate $500- 800. A year ago Sony just came out with their new HD movie player. It was gonna be the best. It had the best picture. The best sound, the most disk capacity. It even had the most studio support. It was incredible. The only catch was.... the price. Its "discraceful competitor could only broadcast 1080i, and had only one exclusive supporter. Sony looked like they would finally win a format war. One year later... All of Sonys promises are gone. Now both formats broadcast in 1080p. HDDVD has more Dolby TrueHD titles than Blu Ray does. No disk has come close to 30 gigs let alone 50, Blu doesn't have the advantage. Sony had lost studio support that HD has gained, and the PS3 had sold terribly in America loosing sales to the Nintendo Wii 8:1. And it appears that Time Warner is coming close to pulling the plug on Sony. This is the funny thing. After Sony promised all its fans that they would have the best if they dished out the cash, they didn't fight back at all. Blu Ray has done nothing to win support. Right now it seems like they don't need to. They have got die hard fans willing to sink with the ship if Blu Ray doesnt prevail. These fans have been brainwashed. They are fighting for a company that isn't true to them. Sony does nothing for you. They make you invest on brand new technolgy as the first and loyal, then they wave the white flag, boast about how many more units they've sold than HD DVD, take your money, and run. Toshiba has been the best investment I have ever seen. Most companies would have thrown in the towel by now, but no. Toshiba is better than that. They go out is spend 150 million dollars on a exclusive rights to a studio just to keep the followers happy. This wasn't a good financial move for them. They really dont get that much back right now. They do however please their customers and let us know that we they are here and they mean buisness. Toshiba is going to win this war. Sony guys are still walking around sayin, "we still got more studio support". But really no. Disney. They have made three movies. Pirates and Bridge to Terebithia. Fox isnt making any must have movies. Sony is the biggest gun right now, but thats just because they make their movies popular with money. Toshiba has support from the three biggest HD studios. Universal, Paramount and Warer Bros. Exclusive support from the first two and more support from Warner. Many of the Blu Ray fanboys come on these threads and give the what if? What if Universal switches sides? They wont. They aren't just gonna fall down dead and switch sides. HD has huge amounts of studio support that Blu Ray just cant keep up with. Its not because its impossible. Its becaue they dont care about winning. But still today, people are walking in stores giving up $500 to get a Blu Ray player. You are actually spending money to loose studio support!!! HDDVD will win. They will win because they show that they care about winning, and winning the old fashinioned way. By shooting the most bullets and taking the most punches. __________________ Age: 16 Location: Seattle WA Toshiba HD A2: 31 Movies Sony BDPS1: 6 Movies 50' in Samsung Plasma 42' in Viore Plasma Nintendo Wii Xbox 360 Dish HD

08-25-2007, 01:24 PM	#2
will007 What is HD? Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3	hd dvd now/blu ray maybe later now when this war started i was a true sony fan planning on gettin a blu ray player i realy was but what held me back was the price and the pq. now hd dvd i had no plans to invest in the format because of the prices and pq also until i started researching more. meaning i compared pq and aq every time i went to either bb.cc, or even tweeter,now my thing is these so call sale reps know the deal. when hd dvd first launched last year me and my wife were at bb they had it hooked up to a westinghouse 42 inch lcd tv they were playing batman begins anyone remeber? that the picture was so great on a low end tv i was like in denial and my exact words were my upconverter looks better than that i was realy tryin to bullshit my selve.but a couple of weeks later blu ray was launched and once again me and the wifey went to bb to check it out they had a blu ray promo video playin and my wife told me that day ill never forget it. she said the player thats playin batman begins looks better than blu ray, and she was right so i made my mind up she was right my plan was to get a hd dvd player first then get a blu ray player but i was still going to wait.so this summer of may 2007 i took my first and only step and invested my money in the hd a2. now my plans were to invest in blu ray before fall but paramount made that move and i think something is up.i'll see what happens this holiday season before i make any more moves

08-25-2007, 08:06 PM	#6
chagopian I <3 High Def Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Markham, Ontario Posts: 154	There's too many movies coming out from Columbia that are just too good to pass on. But for now I just own an xbox hd-dvd player. __________________ HD-DVD: Heartbreak Kid, The Kingdom, The Zodiac 34 Blu-Ray: Total Recall, Independence Day, Gone Baby Gone 10

08-25-2007, 08:22 PM	#7
Semp1 Just Go Neutral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn. NY Age: 28 Posts: 691	Sony also has MGM Miramax Starz and from what I understand Weinstein is blu-ray exclusive now. Let's be honest people who own blu-ray only still have completely nothing to worry about they still have much more studio support and are the primary selling Hd format for now, but that could change. __________________ Living Room: Sony KDL52XBR6 Sony STR-DG910 (Unknown Replacement coming soon) Center Channel: Polk CS10 Front Towers: Polk TSI300 Rear Speakers: Polk TSI100 Sub Woofer: Sony SA-W3000 Apple TV PS3 Slim XBOX 360 Wii Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD Bed Room: Sony KDL40XBR2/3 Samsung BDP2500 Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD PS3 (60gb) XBOX 360 Blu-ray=260 Last edited by Semp1; 08-25-2007 at 08:28 PM.

08-25-2007, 09:00 PM	#10
tcarcio High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: MA. Posts: 1,630	Nada............ __________________ Pioneer Elite Vsx 81txv as pre amp Behringer EP 2500 for 15'' TC 2000 sonotube Mackie FR2500 for mains Crown XLS 402d for center 2 Crown CTs 600's for surrounds 2 B52 MX1515's for l+R speakers Boston Acoustics VR-12 center Cambridge Soundworks S-300 surrounds x 4 Samsung bd-p1500 BD player Toshiba HD XA2 HD dvd player Optoma HD-72 720p PJ for movies Benq PE-7800 PJ for TV, 106'' screen

08-25-2007, 02:57 PM	#4
macmarkus High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,146	Not yet. when they come down another $100 or $200 I'll buy one. I'd likely have bought one buy now if not for putting my budget into the XA2 instead. In another angle, I won't ever buy a combo player, I like seperate components for everything like that. If one craps out, I have another in the down time ! I personally don't see much difference, other than price. That's the factor for most, regardless of all the BS spread about ! That's my two discs worth !! Peace

08-25-2007, 07:10 PM	#5
Gobrunks How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 24	nope

08-25-2007, 09:18 PM	#11
RedSIinPA hd junkie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Outside Phila. Age: 31 Posts: 899	I've never heard "taking the most punches" as being a surefire method of winning anything.

08-25-2007, 09:53 PM	#12
DSNY FN High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London Ont Canada Age: 40 Posts: 2,273	No I would not buy a BR player to expensive and no real advantage over HD DVD and I will not support SONY. __________________ HD IS THE ONLY WAY Bedroom setup Viewsonic N2752w Xpressvue 6100 Toshiba HD A2 Harmony 520 Livingroom setup Samsung HL-S5687WX Toshiba HD-DVD XA2 Xpressvue HD PVR Denon 3801 PSB Full surround Harmony 880 Nintendo GC Nintendo Wii (this console rocks) Mario Kart Wii friend code 4768-8283-5991 Last edited by DSNY FN; 08-25-2007 at 09:57 PM.

08-25-2007, 10:26 PM	#13
Super XP Star Trek: The Movie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto, ON. Canada Posts: 5,776	I will never support SONY, so that is out of the question, and HD DVD is what I would support. It's DVD’s on steroids & it's a stable proven technology. HD DVD all the way. Plus I like Paramount movies & the Star Trek series. __________________ Toshiba Regza 46" HDTV (46RF350U) LCD 1080p/24p Toshiba HD-A35 / HD-A3 / XD-E500 LG GGC-H20L Super Multi / PC Drive Onkyo TX-SR605 7.1 TrueHD/DTS HD MA Precision Acoustics™ 8Ch. Hi Def Loudspeaker Series DVD's = 200 = 130 = 10

08-25-2007, 10:42 PM	#14
macosxguy Dual Format Supporter. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: UK, Surrey Age: 31 Posts: 45	Yes Yes I still see discs on both format I want. So duel it is. __________________ Panasonic Plasma TH-42PX60B, Sony PS3 60Gb- US, 2 Xbox 360 Elite with HD DVD BD- 62, HD DVD- 68 2 Apple TV's /Sky HD+ Panasonic LCD TX-32LXD60A, Panasonic Home Theatre SS SC-HT855, Samsung BD-P1000, Mac Pro with 8-core Intel Xeon @ 3ghz each, ATI Radeon X1900 (512 Video), 2.5 Terabytes HDD, 5gigs memory, Panasonic Internal Blu-ray Burner, wireless / Vista Ultimate, 23" Apple Cinema Display 15" Glossy Apple MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33Ghz w/ Vista Ultimate

08-26-2007, 03:45 AM	#15
dontknowjack High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 949	I will buy it when it has profile 2.0 and HDMI 1.3. What is the point of buying a Blu-Ray player if it doesn't have those? Oh yeah and the price also has to be reasonable.

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