BD vs. HD DVD Replication Costs From Laser Pacific

electrictroy · 08-23-2007, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

But at 100,000 plus - the price be the same. The replication cost should reflect the durabis coating - not the packaging cost. The initial set-up fee's should be non-negotiable since the replicator decided to press BD or HD DVD.

I'm sorry but your paragraph is not making any sense to me. When a Studio goes to a Manufacturer, and the manufacturer says, "Okay that will be 90 cents per disc" the manufacturer is including everything in that pricetag:
- his setup costs
- his employee wages
- his healthcare plan
- his advertising
- his lease for the building
- any special coatings
- and of course the packaging of the product for Retail

It's just like shopping at the store. You don't get charged separate amounts for things like "1 cent for a shopping bag" or "5 cents to have your suit altered" or "25 cents to help us pay for our store renovation". No. All of that stuff is included in the pricetag and you the customer pay a single fee.

It's the same when a Studio asks a Manufacturer to produce 25000 discs for release. The Manufacturer says "90 cents" and that price includes ALL the expenses.

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What me finds interesting is the $.10 difference since BD requires copy protection and with HD DVD, it is negotiable.

False. A disc manufacturer doesn't care what's on the disc. He's handled a "master" and told to duplicate it, and that's what he does. Whether it has copy-protection or not, makes absolutely NO difference in the manufacturer's cost.

(I used to work for a DVD duplicator; I have experience with how these things work. A duplicator is basically just a running a "Xerox machine" and running-off several thousand clones of an original. That's all.)

(The production of the master - that happens back at the studio.)

electrictroy · 08-23-2007, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dare

Replication is just one part of the total cost though. There are also expenses for studio time and technical expertise on the authoring end, and Blu-ray does require more, unless the BD release is bare bones.

I thought the HD and Bluray discs carried the exact same VLC file? No difference.

Is there any kind of source that backs-up (and proves) the claim "Bluray software is more labor-intensive (and therefore pricery)"?

electrictroy · 08-23-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeRox

3xDVD sounds far better for the average consumer to me than expensive Blu Ray burners and Blu Ray media.

In theory a 3xDVD will work in Bluray, PC-DVD-ROM drives, or any other machine that can spin a DVD at 3x speed and decode the VLC data.

Lee Stewart · 08-23-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by electrictroy

I thought the HD and Bluray discs carried the exact same VLC file? No difference.

Is there any kind of source that backs-up (and proves) the claim "Bluray software is more labor-intensive (and therefore pricery)"?

Do you even understand what HDi and BD-J are?

A simple yes or no will do.

Dare · 08-23-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by electrictroy

I thought the HD and Bluray discs carried the exact same VLC file? No difference.

Is there any kind of source that backs-up (and proves) the claim "Bluray software is more labor-intensive (and therefore pricery)"?

When both do contain the same encode. Sometimes they don't. But the big difference is in the programming expertise. HDi requires an HTML-level programmer, which just about anybody is qualified for. BD-J requires a C++ level programmer, which is a totally higher magnitude in terms of experience and salary. The testing and debugging alone for BD-J could add weeks to the production of a title, and time = money. That's where the additional cost comes from. Multiply that by the thousands of titles studios would like to release, and the difference becomes quite dramatic.

electrictroy · 08-24-2007, 07:21 AM

Yes Lee I know what HDi (interactive) and BD-J (java) are.

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Originally Posted by Dare

HDi requires an HTML-level programmer, which just about anybody is qualified for. BD-J requires a C++ level programmer, which is a totally higher magnitude in terms of experience and salary.

Thank you Dare for answering my question instead of acting like a smartas <bkspc><bkspc><bkspc> Lee.

I'm going to go off and research the difference between HDi and BD-java. [edited - see below]

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Originally Posted by wikipedia

HDi scripting allows interactivity to be authored into a script data format using XML and ECMAScript (standardized JavaScript)

BD-J allows bonus content on Blu-ray Disc titles to be far more sophisticated than bonus content provided by standard DVD, including network access (such as for downloading updated trailers or accessing live studio events), picture-in-picture and access to local storage. ..... BD-J is based on a packaged media profile of Globally Executable MHP, or GEM. GEM, in turn, forms the basis of most global digital television application standards. .....

BD-J is based on a packaged media profile of Globally Executable MHP, or GEM. GEM, in turn, forms the basis of most global digital television application standards.

BD-java does sound more labor-intensive than the simple XML-based HDi. I can see why that would cost more money.

Super XP · 08-24-2007, 07:30 AM

HDi and BD-java? I would go with the HDi, I've read about it months ago.

Lee Stewart · 08-24-2007, 08:01 AM

So Troy - did you know that BEFORE you looked it up . . . or after you looked it up?

I may be a smartass . . . . but you are a liar.

**PFC5** · 08-24-2007, 08:49 AM

Come on Lee. He accepts that BD-Java costs more and you continue the fight.

We need to stop this kind of thing and that means EVERYONE!

Lee Stewart · 08-24-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

Come on Lee. He accepts that BD-Java costs more and you continue the fight.

We need to stop this kind of thing and that means EVERYONE!

Troy's most recent post to BobY concerning patent holders on BD:

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Wrong again. Sony/Philips co-developed the standard in the same way Toshiba/NEC co-developed HD-DVD. There's no real difference in how these two HD-organizations are setup, except in your imagination.

I rest my case.

electrictroy · 08-24-2007, 09:03 AM

Yes I acknowledge that BD-java would be more labor-intensive (and therefore pricey) than HDinteractive. Thank you Dare for not acting like a smartas <bkspc> <bkspc> <bkspc> for helping me understand the difference.

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

So Troy - did you know that BEFORE you looked it up . . . or after you looked it up?

After. As Einstein remarked more than once, "Why waste time memorizing that which I can easily look up?"

So. Why does it matter that I had to go look-up HDi and BD-java?

(just curious)

unotis · 08-24-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

Come on Lee. He accepts that BD-Java costs more and you continue the fight.

We need to stop this kind of thing and that means EVERYONE!

I agree, we shouldn't continue these useless arguments over basically nothing.

We've (meaning HD DVD supporters) have had some very good news which helps our format of choice improve it's position in the market and format war, but instead of rubbing it in to our Blu-Ray forum members we should just understand that this news is a sore spot to them and let it lie unmolested.

I know it is really tempting after all some of them have really beaten us over the head with Blu-Ray Studio support superiority for months, but let's resist the temptation and show we are the better forum for this.

We don't want to start to sound like www.bluray.com or www.agoraquest.com do we?

pappylap · 08-24-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

Come on Lee. He accepts that BD-Java costs more and you continue the fight.

We need to stop this kind of thing and that means EVERYONE!

Here is the true character of the man you are defending PFC5. Troy is a Troll plain and simple he has no interest in HD why he continues to hang around here is beyond me...anyway you be the judge defend him if you wish....

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Originally Posted by tigerbangs

Reluctantly, I am reposting his private e-mail to me, if for no other reason than to show his true motives and his paranoia. I honestly feel that I said nothing that calls for such a response:

>>> "This forum is not for people like you who
>>> >>>are willing to watch blurry pictures,"
(I said no such thing in my post...)

Gon shbove it up your fucking aszssshole You
opkissant dtrt sbag son of bitch,.

electrictroy@yahoo.com

I apologize for the language...

**PFC5** · 08-24-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pappylap

Here is the true character of the man you are defending PFC5. Troy is a Troll plain and simple he has no interest in HD why he continues to hang around here is beyond me...anyway you be the judge defend him if you wish....

I am not as much defending Troy as I am defending the integrity of THIS site. Tro has done some good posts and some awful posts, but we all need to take the higher ground. Otherwise this site will not be so enjoyable anymore IMO.

pappylap · 08-24-2007, 10:30 AM

The integrity of this site would be better served if we the vets of this site would band together to rid this forum of posters like Troy..He is not into what we do, he talks down about it as much as he can. (just read his early posts) He only stays half way civil because most of the posters here are above him and blow virtually all of his points away in the aguments he begins....
He can take his "I have and Electrical Engineering Degree and I am the Wizard of All attitude and shove it as far as I am concerned...

08-24-2007, 07:30 AM	#37
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08-24-2007, 08:01 AM	#38
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08-24-2007, 08:49 AM	#39
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08-24-2007, 10:30 AM	#45
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