hd "300 vs. blue ray "300"

KGUN74797479 · 08-09-2007, 09:12 PM

USA today anounced today that blue rays "300 outsold hd's version 2 to 1. this seems very weird to me. I was in best buy this week and they said they had sixty copies of both and they were out of the hd and had roughly 20-25 blue-rays left. The guys that work their said the are seeing more people buying hd than blue ray. this could just be that store or my area but 2-1 NO WAY!!!

when the ps3 came out they had way more blue-ray machines available then hd. but now that margin has closed. Also they had posted that blue-ray had more titles released than hd by 2-1. again NO WAY!!!

Can sony somehow be manipulating the #'s because hd is so much better. their cheaper for 1, the movies offer more, the specs are better , the audio is better on most disc. I'm getting pissed that these kind of #'s keep being released. first blockbuster says blue-ray, then target. It must be a bigger profit margin or sony has better marketing because true hometheater fanatics seem to support hd, and with machines half the price you'd think that so would the general public.

KEEBS1984 · 08-09-2007, 10:31 PM

I don't think that Sony can purposefully manipulate numbers to showcase that their format sold more, however it IS possible that USA Today has its' own bias for or against one of the formats.

In any case it doesn't matter. 300 has shown what an economic asset HD DVD still is. With only 300,000 or so players (standalone and AO) they managed to sell an amazing amount, especially when you compare that to the 3 million+ BD players (standalone and PS3).

300 has only solidified HD DVDs hold on an emerging HD market, no matter if that market ends up becoming a dual format one.

KGUN74797479 · 08-10-2007, 10:43 PM

your right - only time will tell what other big name retailers choose to do. I'm just so surprised that so many people would rather support only one format. there is to much money to be made from supporting both formats.Hd needs to come out with another really big release such as gladiator to pick up momentum.

connerc_37 · 08-10-2007, 10:51 PM

Do not trust them. USA today uses a lot of info from the New York times and News Corp. What does News corp own? 20th Centuary Fox. Blu Ray only supporters.

**PFC5** · 08-11-2007, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by connerc_37

Do not trust them. USA today uses a lot of info from the New York times and News Corp. What does News corp own? 20th Centuary Fox. Blu Ray only supporters.

Are you SURE you are only 15 years old? You are pretty darn smart to not look at an article and auto matically assume it is true.

My hat is off to your PARENTS, as they apparently taught you well.

samcan07 · 08-11-2007, 06:39 AM

The figures are correct!!!

Lee Stewart · 08-11-2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by samcan07

The figures are correct!!!

Yes they are . . 1.9 million BD players and you bought 162,000+ copies of 300

LMAO . . .not even 10%

mshulman · 08-11-2007, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KGUN74797479

Can sony somehow be manipulating the #'s because hd is so much better. their cheaper for 1, the movies offer more, the specs are better , the audio is better on most disc. I'm getting pissed that these kind of #'s keep being released. first blockbuster says blue-ray, then target. It must be a bigger profit margin or sony has better marketing because true hometheater fanatics seem to support hd, and with machines half the price you'd think that so would the general public.

Cheaper, yes. Movies offer more, yes - for today.

Better specs? I don't think so. I think at worst they are even since HD DVD has some things blu-ray doesn't a vice versa.

Better audio? I'm not sure about this either. I believe the specs allow them to be the same.

None of the above matters though since either format will be more then adequate for the vast majority. And sales make sense - there are more blu-ray players out there. Anything other than blu-ray beating HD DVD wouldn't make sense.

samcan07 · 08-11-2007, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Yes they are . . 1.9 million BD players and you bought 162,000+ copies of 300

LMAO . . .not even 10%

It's good you have a sense of humour, and don't mind coming in last!!!!

Lee Stewart · 08-11-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by samcan07

It's good you have a sense of humour, and don't mind coming in last!!!!

Not at all. been like that since January. So you sold another 500,000 to 600,000 PS3's since January and all you can do is the same 2 to 1 lead in software.

Know what that means? The PS3 "effect" has fizzled out. It is no longer affecting the sales ratio - you add 1/3 more players - but nothing happens to the sales ratio.

And you think that is good? You are proud of this fact? With 90+% of all BD players being PS3's?

"He who laughs last . . laughs hardest"

borromini · 08-11-2007, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

...My hat is off to your PARENTS, as they apparently taught you well.

Are you kidding? He's in summer school and his parents think he's doing homework while he's actually posting!

samcan07 · 08-11-2007, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Not at all. been like that since January. So you sold another 500,000 to 600,000 PS3's since January and all you can do is the same 2 to 1 lead in software.

Know what that means? The PS3 "effect" has fizzled out. It is no longer affecting the sales ratio - you add 1/3 more players - but nothing happens to the sales ratio.

And you think that is good? You are proud of this fact? With 90+% of all BD players being PS3's?

"He who laughs last . . laughs hardest"

HD DVD hasn't got anywhere else to go but down and out.
I could go on but I wont!!!!!
The fat lady is warming her vocal chords!!!!

So you will be laghing last, on the side of Blu I take it!!!!

dels28 · 08-11-2007, 08:44 AM

The question still stands for HD DVD supporters, if everything remains the same, how in the world is HD DVD going to overtake BD. Prices for both will drop in terms of players, both will have great movies available this fall with the larger blockbuster exclusives being on BD (spiderman trilogy, and frenchy the rat). I just don't see what HD DVD has to counter with against the PS3.

Lee Stewart · 08-11-2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dels28

The question still stands for HD DVD supporters, if everything remains the same, how in the world is HD DVD going to overtake BD. Prices for both will drop in terms of players, both will have great movies available this fall with the larger blockbuster exclusives being on BD (spiderman trilogy, and frenchy the rat). I just don't see what HD DVD has to counter with against the PS3.

How about 500,000 A3's sold between 11/24 and 12/31 this year at $199 MSRP (street $179 to $149) - How about a street price of $99 for the 360 AO?

Think that will make a difference? We already know the PS3 is no longer adding to BD's sales ratio. 600,000 more PS3's in August versus January yet ratio never changes from 2 to 1

If you believe that article - only 20% of PS3 owners use the PS3 as a BD player. That means that will have to SELL 2.5 million PS3's in those same 5 weeks to match the A3. Market is becoming saturated for PS3 buyers. Last Xmas they sold 1.3 million? Is that right? So this Xmas they are going to sell twice as much? At what price for the PS3 will this happen?

Dare · 08-11-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KGUN74797479

USA today anounced today that blue rays "300 outsold hd's version 2 to 1. this seems very weird to me. I was in best buy this week and they said they had sixty copies of both and they were out of the hd and had roughly 20-25 blue-rays left. The guys that work their said the are seeing more people buying hd than blue ray. this could just be that store or my area but 2-1 NO WAY!!!

Not to pull this thread back on topic, but...

I observed the same thing at the Best Buys around here. The HD-DVDs of 300 were completely sold out, and they still had at least three dozen Blu-ray copies.

Warner did ship almost twice as many BDs to retailers, and there's no need for anyone to manipulate any numbers to make that appear to have happened. But there's no way for them to know how many copies actually made into the hands of consumers until the stores stock-balance.

Maybe someone who works at Best Buy can fill in some details, but generally in retail, stores get however many copies they ask for, provided there is enough supply, and they use current market data to guess how many of each format that might be. The current market share is about 60:40, so of course those are the proportions retailers asked for, and those are the proportions that Warner shipped. If a product or format doesn't sell at retail, the retailers have the option to send the unsold copies back to the distributor for credit, and they usually have around six months to do that.

So, in reality, we aren't going to have any real numbers for at least six months when the stores send back unsold copies, and they have received one or more additional shipments to replenish depleted stock.

08-09-2007, 09:12 PM	#1
KGUN74797479 How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 16	hd "300 vs. blue ray "300" USA today anounced today that blue rays "300 outsold hd's version 2 to 1. this seems very weird to me. I was in best buy this week and they said they had sixty copies of both and they were out of the hd and had roughly 20-25 blue-rays left. The guys that work their said the are seeing more people buying hd than blue ray. this could just be that store or my area but 2-1 NO WAY!!! when the ps3 came out they had way more blue-ray machines available then hd. but now that margin has closed. Also they had posted that blue-ray had more titles released than hd by 2-1. again NO WAY!!! Can sony somehow be manipulating the #'s because hd is so much better. their cheaper for 1, the movies offer more, the specs are better , the audio is better on most disc. I'm getting pissed that these kind of #'s keep being released. first blockbuster says blue-ray, then target. It must be a bigger profit margin or sony has better marketing because true hometheater fanatics seem to support hd, and with machines half the price you'd think that so would the general public.

08-10-2007, 10:51 PM	#4
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08-11-2007, 08:44 AM	#13
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08-09-2007, 10:31 PM	#2
KEEBS1984 Loves me some Blu-rays :) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 2,261	I don't think that Sony can purposefully manipulate numbers to showcase that their format sold more, however it IS possible that USA Today has its' own bias for or against one of the formats. In any case it doesn't matter. 300 has shown what an economic asset HD DVD still is. With only 300,000 or so players (standalone and AO) they managed to sell an amazing amount, especially when you compare that to the 3 million+ BD players (standalone and PS3). 300 has only solidified HD DVDs hold on an emerging HD market, no matter if that market ends up becoming a dual format one.

08-10-2007, 10:43 PM	#3
KGUN74797479 How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 16	your right - only time will tell what other big name retailers choose to do. I'm just so surprised that so many people would rather support only one format. there is to much money to be made from supporting both formats.Hd needs to come out with another really big release such as gladiator to pick up momentum.

08-11-2007, 06:39 AM	#6
samcan07 We're caught in a trap... Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 927	The figures are correct!!!