hd "300 vs. blue ray "300"

ClashFan · 08-12-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Yes they are . . 1.9 million BD players and you bought 162,000+ copies of 300

LMAO . . .not even 10%

Actually, HD DVD fans should be very encouraged by the #s we've seen. I thought that the BR 300 would outsell HD DVD by 3 -1 or more.

But, it appears to be UNDER 2-1. Wow.

And, HD DVD was sold out all over the place (thus, probably could have sold more) while BR was fully stocked. Also, the HD DVD was $3-5 more, so some dual format owners went BR!

On the bright side, retailers will note this and order MORE 300's while BR's sit on shelves, having perhaps been overstocked.

Only time will tell if BR peaked in the 1st quarter of 2007 when its software sales were much higher, only to slowly, steadily decline after that...

ClashFan · 08-12-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Not at all. been like that since January. So you sold another 500,000 to 600,000 PS3's since January and all you can do is the same 2 to 1 lead in software.

Know what that means? The PS3 "effect" has fizzled out. It is no longer affecting the sales ratio - you add 1/3 more players - but nothing happens to the sales ratio.

And you think that is good? You are proud of this fact? With 90+% of all BD players being PS3's?

"He who laughs last . . laughs hardest"

I wondered the same thing some months ago. It is very possible that the vast majority of those who wanted the PS3 as a BR player did so many months ago. All the new buyers are just gamers, now, for whom BR might be just a minor curiosity.

Sony needs to figure a way to get all the gamers to become BR movie buyers in addition to game players.

GLOW · 08-12-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ClashFan

Also, the HD DVD was $3-5 more, so some dual format owners went BR!

Some dual format owners bought the HD DVD too..........

ClashFan · 08-12-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by samcan07

HD DVD hasn't got anywhere else to go but down and out.
I could go on but I wont!!!!!
The fat lady is warming her vocal chords!!!!

So you will be laghing last, on the side of Blu I take it!!!!

Four legs good! Two legs bad!

Lee Stewart · 08-12-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ClashFan

I wondered the same thing some months ago. It is very possible that the vast majority of those who wanted the PS3 as a BR player did so many months ago. All the new buyers are just gamers, now, for whom BR might be just a minor curiosity.

Sony needs to figure a way to get all the gamers to become BR movie buyers in addition to game players.

Easy - give them all an HDTV!

ClashFan · 08-12-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

How about 500,000 A3's sold between 11/24 and 12/31 this year at $199 MSRP (street $179 to $149) - How about a street price of $99 for the 360 AO?

Think that will make a difference? We already know the PS3 is no longer adding to BD's sales ratio. 600,000 more PS3's in August versus January yet ratio never changes from 2 to 1

If you believe that article - only 20% of PS3 owners use the PS3 as a BD player. That means that will have to SELL 2.5 million PS3's in those same 5 weeks to match the A3. Market is becoming saturated for PS3 buyers. Last Xmas they sold 1.3 million? Is that right? So this Xmas they are going to sell twice as much? At what price for the PS3 will this happen?

If HD DVD sold as you say, it would be terrific. But, I doubt they will sell that many players or that street prices will get so low.

It will be an interesting holiday buying season, though. The 360 vs. PS3 battle will be very fun, with Halo 3 coming out (a knockout blow to the PS3?) in September... Will MS drop 360 prices to try for the big hit??

I think the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray skirmish will continue on into 2008...

Lee Stewart · 08-12-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ClashFan

If HD DVD sold as you say, it would be terrific. But, I doubt they will sell that many players or that street prices will get so low.

It will be an interesting holiday buying season, though. The 360 vs. PS3 battle will be very fun, with Halo 3 coming out (a knockout blow to the PS3?) in September... Will MS drop 360 prices to try for the big hit??

I think the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray skirmish will continue on into 2008...

Toshiba has stated they will sell 1 million players in NA. We are not up to 300,000 yet. The only way they can make their goal is to sell 450K to 500K in those last 5 weeks of 2007.

The A3 has less components so it is cheaper to build which means cheaper to sell. That prime time of selling only comes once a year and Toshiba knows it.

ClashFan · 08-12-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GLOW

Some dual format owners bought the HD DVD too..........

True, but my point is that at some bought the BR over HD DVD simply because of price (see AVS for this). Had the prices been the same, more would have bought. Now, this might be a small #, but...

ClashFan · 08-12-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Easy - give them all an HDTV!

Even that might not do it. They'd just enjoy the games in HD rather than SD... Still gotta spend more $$ for movies in addition to games!

ClashFan · 08-12-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Toshiba has stated they will sell 1 million players in NA. We are not up to 300,000 yet. The only way they can make their goal is to sell 450K to 500K in those last 5 weeks of 2007.

The A3 has less components so it is cheaper to build which means cheaper to sell. That prime time of selling only comes once a year and Toshiba knows it.

Yes, but Tosh originally said something like 1.8 million, then down to 1 million. They still might be way overly optimistic.

And, were they including 360 add-ons in those numbers? If so, the 1 million might be more reachable.... but I still am skeptical.

I'll be very pleasantly surprised if HD DVD gets to 1 million combined stand-alones and 360 add-ons by the end of the year. That would be a nice market out there that will not go away any time soon.

Last I recall reading was about 180k standalones and 155k add-ons, for 335 K players in the USA.

borromini · 08-12-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Anamorphic_DVD

The widescreen version is better than both of them because emphasis is not placed on the film grain and it upconverts to HD quality if you have the right equipment.

Will someone please help this guy out. I won't even touch the grain comment, but here's another chap who's convinced upconverted is the same quality as HD DVD or BD...yikes!

Even $10k worth of video processing equipment doesn't get you there.

Lee Stewart · 08-12-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ClashFan

Yes, but Tosh originally said something like 1.8 million, then down to 1 million. They still might be way overly optimistic.

And, were they including 360 add-ons in those numbers? If so, the 1 million might be more reachable.... but I still am skeptical.

I'll be very pleasantly surprised if HD DVD gets to 1 million combined stand-alones and 360 add-ons by the end of the year. That would be a nice market out there that will not go away any time soon.

Last I recall reading was about 180k standalones and 155k add-ons, for 335 K players in the USA.

"Toshiba aims to sell 1 million HD DVD players in North America in 2007"

MS sells the 360 AO - not Toshiba - who makes it but it "giving" it Lite-On who will begin to make it instead.

IMO based on the above - Toshiba means SAL's. Yes the 1.8 million was way too high. Keep in mind that the BDA said they will sell between 600,000 and 700,000 SAL's this year and they are barely at 150,000 - if that.

That A3 can easily MSRP for $199 and street for $179 with a $30 profit for the seller. It is designed to sell in quantity due to the low price. Only hold backs will be the publics attitude towards better PQ/AQ, the format war and price of software if buying is the norm. If renting is the norm - shoe-in.

FreddyC · 08-12-2007, 02:49 PM

>>>>What you need to realize is that there is such a thing in sales called "Critical Mass". This is the point where sales skyrocket and this is almost always triggered by price become low enough for the majority of people being able to afford to buy it at that price.<<<<<

I too believe that $200.00 will really open up sales. I've said this in another thread, but it's getting to be the time for Toshiba to ramp up their advertising. The advertising can't just be "Buy HD DVD, it's great", it has to be education. Tell the "casual" HDTV buyer that he/she is not getting the most out of their TV. They need to have HD DVD! Keep the 5 movie incentive, and push HD DVD as the best addition to their home entertainment this Christmas. I'm telling you, if they can get these HD DVD players in Wal-Mart at a good price for the holiday season, the war might be ready to start.

Of course Blu Ray could do that type of marketing also, but they can't do it at the price that HD DVD can. Freddy

FreddyC · 08-12-2007, 02:52 PM

<<<<but here's another chap who's convinced upconverted is the same quality as HD DVD or BD...yikes! Even $10k worth of video processing equipment doesn't get you there.>>>>>

Well, the way upconverter DVD players are marketed and talked about, it would be really easy to assume that they make a SD DVD into HD. Freddy

Lee Stewart · 08-12-2007, 03:07 PM

08-12-2007, 02:49 PM	#43
FreddyC I Can See Clearly Now! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Louisville, KY Age: 41 Posts: 289	>>>>What you need to realize is that there is such a thing in sales called "Critical Mass". This is the point where sales skyrocket and this is almost always triggered by price become low enough for the majority of people being able to afford to buy it at that price.<<<<< I too believe that $200.00 will really open up sales. I've said this in another thread, but it's getting to be the time for Toshiba to ramp up their advertising. The advertising can't just be "Buy HD DVD, it's great", it has to be education. Tell the "casual" HDTV buyer that he/she is not getting the most out of their TV. They need to have HD DVD! Keep the 5 movie incentive, and push HD DVD as the best addition to their home entertainment this Christmas. I'm telling you, if they can get these HD DVD players in Wal-Mart at a good price for the holiday season, the war might be ready to start. Of course Blu Ray could do that type of marketing also, but they can't do it at the price that HD DVD can. Freddy __________________ DirecTV HR20 TV: Samsung Plasma T-4254 Sony 5.1/Dolby Receiver Toshiba HD-DVD Player HD-A2 Playstation 3 ILO DVD Recorder Wii 76 HD DVD's 72 Blu Rays and growing

08-12-2007, 02:52 PM	#44
FreddyC I Can See Clearly Now! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Louisville, KY Age: 41 Posts: 289	<<<<but here's another chap who's convinced upconverted is the same quality as HD DVD or BD...yikes! Even $10k worth of video processing equipment doesn't get you there.>>>>> Well, the way upconverter DVD players are marketed and talked about, it would be really easy to assume that they make a SD DVD into HD. Freddy __________________ DirecTV HR20 TV: Samsung Plasma T-4254 Sony 5.1/Dolby Receiver Toshiba HD-DVD Player HD-A2 Playstation 3 ILO DVD Recorder Wii 76 HD DVD's 72 Blu Rays and growing

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