300 on blu-ray stomps it's hdd counterpart

Super XP

Then Toshiba better start talking business, because that would be a massive push into the HD DVD market, and I am sure Wal-Mart would love to get there hands on those $200 HD DVD players.

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Lee Stewart

But Toshiba can and will sell HD DVD players for $199. If their profit in selling such players is greater than just the license alone - they want that market. Keeps the factories open and employed.

dobyblue

Wow two titles, well done Lee.

dobyblue

Hmmm....the video advantage on Blu-ray is over 1/4 star greater than that of HD DVD and growing.

You may consider that no advantage, but I think it's huge.

HD DVD Audio 3.67
Blu-ray Audio 3.96

Difference = 0.29

MikeRox

I think it's more the fact that the 25gb SL mpeg 2 releases are still being pumped out even in the coming weeks. Why brag about Blu Rays amazing incredible bit rates etc etc. Then not bother ustilizing them at all.

Tbh, had it not been for HD DVD showing them up badly in the earlier releases, I think Blu RAy movies would actually on average be alot worse than they currently are.

Lee Stewart

Of course you do. You are a BD shill. What do you expect?

dobyblue

You still can't explain the difference though, no surprise.
How is the bit rate not being used on BD25's? It's not suddenly subject to less bit rate.

You can have a high bit rate encode on a BD25, like a 30 Mbps average lets say which is what Pirates of the Caribbean was, with 16/48 5.1 PCM and Dolby Digital = 35.248 Mbps, almost 20% higher than HD DVD's total bandwidth, which should be good for many movies.

35.248 Mbps = 4.406 MBps
25GB = 25600MB
25600/4.406 = 5810 seconds = 96 minutes

Recent releases using BD25

August 14th - 1/4 discs were BD25
Vacancy - 85 minutes

August 7th - 1/5 discs were BD25
Arlington Road - 118 minutes

July 31st - 2/4 discs were BD25
IMAX: Blue Planet - 44 minutes
IMAX: Roving Mars - 40 minutes

July 24th - 2/4 discs were BD25
Out for Justice - 91 minutes
Purple Rain - 111 minutes

July 18th - 1/4 discs were BD25
Wild Things - 115 minutes

July 3rd - 1/4 discs were BD25
Flatliners - 114 minutes

That is 8/25 last releases were on BD25's and 3/8 of those were less than 96 minutes.

That leaves 5/25 BD25 releases running over 96 minutes and none of them received stellar picture quality.

Univeral has had several 90 minute or less stinkers on HD30 discs.

Bandwidth is important. But this also shows that BD50 discs are readily available. There are over 600,000 BD50 copies of Casino Royale out there and over 150,000 BD50 copies of "300" and almost 100,000 BD50 copies of The Departed.

That's why most releases are currently on BD50 discs and that's why Blu-ray currently has a consistently higher level of PQ than HD DVD of late.

There is still no reason why we shouldn't see BD25's for movie in and around the 90 minute mark.

I should hope that LOTR EE's come on 2 BD50 discs for the main feature, with 24/48 7.1 audio and 35+ Mbps video.

Stew4HD

And you know this is true because?? I think you are full of it, actually. I have not seen this and I own both formats. I call BS on your PQ quote. Yeah, on papaer, high bitrate seems liek it should be a lot better but that does not mean it transfers to the real world.

What are you going to do if LOTR is released on HD DVD instead of BD? It could happen.

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dobyblue

Um...duh, by counting up all the reviews from High Def Digest, Home Theater Spot, Upcoming Discs, Home theater Forum and DVD Talk.

I'm pretty sure that part was already covered.

Those figures are the averages of 902 HD DVD reviews and 933 Blu-ray reviews.

I would be more than happy to upload the spreadsheet for you so you can take a look at it and silence your foolish calls of "BS, BS"

I have always offered to make the spreadsheet available so that the ignorant can educate themselves.

As for LOTR, suggesting it might only come out on HD DVD, now THAT is bullshit fresh on the heels of New Line's announcement that they will be releasing Hairspray on both formats. If you think they will suddenly stop supporting the format they see selling the best, you're of your rocker.

Lee Stewart

I would be more than happy to as soon as you answer my previous question . . . now 3 hours old:

So please tell us if YOU were on that panel that you speak of, (EMA 2007 correct?) all the good things about HD DVD - because of course . . .you would be different than Robert right? You would strive for neutrality because you find fault that he did not.

So give us a BIG list of all the good points of HD DVD.

mshulman

Personally I think that's an insignificant difference no matter who you side with. Its all about the perception of the viewer. And it is also difficult to give realistic reviews when you can't compare 2 movies side by side.

Whether people admit it or not, there are a ton of factors that go in to giving a review. They may just be reviewing PQ, but whther or not they like the movie, the scenes, the way it was filmed can all have slight effects on this. Its human nature, you just can't avoid it.

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dobyblue

If I was on the panel I would be a member of the HD DVD PG or a Microsoft, Universal or Toshiba employee, not an a/v dealer.

What's the point you're getting at? Are you emphasizing how hard-up the HD DVD PG is?

dobyblue

That is why you get a more complete picture painted by comparing several reviewers.

Currently all five sites have higher overall PQ ratings for Blu-ray.

dobyblue

Isn't it peculiar how HD DVD fanatics use opinion and anecdotal evidence to support their format, whereas Blu-ray supporters use facts?

Lee Stewart

PLEASE . . . tell me which part of my post is giving you such a hard time that you will not answer it?

We are not discussing Robert from VE. We are discussing your opinion and statement about how you feel he acted on the panel.