300 on blu-ray stomps it's hdd counterpart

mshulman · 08-13-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

Absolutely. With blu-ray's specs you can have 40 Mbps video encode and still have enough bandwidth left over for a 24/48 7.1 PCM encode without affecting the video space at all.

It is definitely superior. Now we just need all studios encoding on Blu-ray to follow Sony and Disney's lead and utilize the bandwidth to its full potential whether it be AVC/MPEG-4 or VC-1.

That 48 Mbps A/V total bandwidth will allow you to fit a 142 minute movie.

If you only wanted a handful of releases every month that were top tier then no doubt HD DVD would be fine, but the amount of work it takes on the compressionists side of things to get movies like King Kong and The Matrix to look as good as they do takes time when you have such limited bandwidth.

I don't know about you, but I want movies released at a pace and I personally believe that only Blu-ray has the bandwidth to allow for top quality encodes to be releases at a rapid pace. I think the studio overall PQ numbers stengthen that argument immensely.

First - how anyone of this increase the pace of releases??

Second - I know what the specs mean, show..etc.. The simple point is how many people will actually be able to see these differences at home? If any, I'd say very few. I'd bet more would actually play HD DVD Combo's on DVD players at some point than notice any difference in PQ/AQ between HD DVD and Blu-ray.

MikeRox · 08-13-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Well what about these two titles:

Arlington Road (Blu-ray)

Street Date: August 07, 2007
Sony Pictures Home Entertainment

Technical Specs
Blu-ray
BD-25 Single-Layer Disc
Video Resolution/Codec
1080p/MPEG-2

Immortal Beloved (Blu-ray)

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment
Street Date: August 21, 2007

Technical Specs
Blu-ray 25GB Single-Layer
Video Resolution/Codec
1080p/MPEG-2

I don't see either a 50 GB DL BD or AVC/VC-1

Thats because HD DVD is holding back the formats releases

There was another 25gb movie release the other week too. All exclusive BD releases, yet still 25gb discs completely nullifying the whole capacity thing.

The really funny thing is, that without HD DVD having some incredibly high quality releases keeping them in check, Blu Ray would probably have still been having this as the norm for HD releases, then so many people demand the end of HD DVD? Tis the only reason Blu Ray is even worth bothering with as a format right now.

Lee Stewart · 08-13-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

So what you are saying is a completely different format to compete with HD DVD & Blu-Ray? Interesting, I never thought of it in that way. Well, anything is possible at this time, because Toshiba has a update patch to increast the bitrate of all HD DVD players & movies to the same bitrate as current hollywood studios use. A patch can go along way, which can make something compatable where as originally it was not.

Initially it will be used for China only. But they want to use the letters "DVD" in their format so they have to go to the DVD Forum to get a license to do that.

China wants to have it's own HD format so Toshiba and Sony can't sell their players there - not compatable. Supposedly the C-HD DVD has "higher" resolution than HD DVD or BD does but no one knows how to define that.

Bottom line - because China is the #1 emerging nation in the world (with the highest pop in the world) - they are getting VERY nationalistic by creating their own HD format for their own movies bought by their people - keeping all the dollars within China.

Super XP · 08-13-2007, 08:32 PM

O.K. well knowing how the DVD Forum works, they will most likely have a clause in the contract that China's HD DVD version will have to be somewhat compatible with Toshiba's HD DVD, but Toshiba & other North American companies which support HD DVD will not have exclusive rights to China’s version.

I don't know, I e-mailed a friend which has some insight in this industry. Also, Toshiba’s HD DVD’s spec can be completely altered with a simple patch for higher Mbps & such.

DVD Forum wants HD DVD to succeed here in North America, because it’s money in the pocket, but anyway, Take Care,

Super XP · 08-13-2007, 08:43 PM

HD DVD and Blu-ray releases on August 14th, 2007

HD DVD 273 vs Blu-ray 282.

Blu-ray

Bell Witch: The Movie (Big River)
Doctor Strange (Lionsgate)
The Lookout (Disney)
Vacancy (Sony)
Wild Hogs (Buena Vista)

HD DVD

Bell Witch: The Movie (Big River)
Dragon's Lair (Digital Leisure)
Erin Brockovich (Universal)
Meet the Fockers (Universal)
Mercury Rising (Universal)
What Dreams May Come (Universal)
http://http://www.engadgethd.com/200...ust-14th-2007/

This is going to be awesome!!!!
Star Trek: The Original Series S1 HD DVD boxed set hits November 20
http://http://www.engadgethd.com/200...s-november-20/

Amazon Bundles Xbox 360 Elite with HD DVD add-on and Seven Discs for $599
Mon Aug 13, 2007
http://http://www./news/show/Xbox_36...s_for_$599/855

What?NoPudding · 08-13-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Semp1

That's right 300 has sold 163,00 out of the 250,000 sold on blu-ray. That leaves 97,000 respectfully sold on the hdd format. Not for nothing that's almost double sold on blu-ray!!!

163,000 out of how many PS3's??? What a joke. If about 3% of the people that own a BR player bought 300 then it shows how meaningless the PS3 really is in this format war.

At least the HD DVD version of 300 actually has special features. Oh the BR version does too? Yeah, the same ones on the DVD!

Super XP · 08-13-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by What?NoPudding

163,000 out of how many PS3's??? What a joke. If about 3% of the people that own a BR player bought 300 then it shows how meaningless the PS3 really is in this format war.

At least the HD DVD version of 300 actually has special features. Oh the BR version does too? Yeah, the same ones on the DVD!

You know what? I would have to agree with you, but putting that aside, I did some asking around & came up with this,
Warner released about equal amoung of Blu-Ray '300' movies along with HD DVD's, but at the same time Warner also released several other HD DVD movies all at the same time which also made good sales. So, we are talking about HD DVD's '300' back orders or something.

The movie 300 on HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray

Blu-ray Disc Grade
Film Grade: B+
HD Sound Grade: A
HD Vision Grade: A
Packaging & Layout Grade: A-
Special Features Grade: B
Overall Blu-ray Disc Grade: A-

HD DVD Grade
Film Grade: B+
HD Sound Grade: A-
HD Vision Grade: A
Packaging & Layout Grade: A-
Special Features Grade: A+
Overall HD DVD Grade: A

Comparison
Film: N/A
HD Sound: Blu-ray Disc
HD Vision: N/A
Packaging & Layout: N/A
Special Features: HD DVD

Winner: HD DVD

Chris Gerhard · 08-14-2007, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

The numbers are nothing to go crazy about. They are extremly close. Older Blu-Ray movies were not the greatest in PQ & AQ, but they've gotten much better.

Audio/Video Advantage: Neither
Remote Control Advantage: Blu-Ray
Updates/Compatability Advantage: HD DVD
Bottom Line Advantage: HD DVD
http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog...s/4219642.html

The numbers only refute the common claim here that HD DVD offers better video and audio. The specifications and subjective reviews should put an end to that nonsense, but I am sure we will see it repeated again and again here.

Chris

Chris Gerhard · 08-14-2007, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

I don't know about you, but I want movies released at a pace and I personally believe that only Blu-ray has the bandwidth to allow for top quality encodes to be releases at a rapid pace. I think the studio overall PQ numbers stengthen that argument immensely.

For some reason, this group here wants HD DVD crapping on the market causing confusion and reluctance for consumers to get involved and want to continue to see poor market penetration and lack of software sales. To them that is HD DVD doing its job well.

Chris

Lee Stewart · 08-14-2007, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super XP

O.K. well knowing how the DVD Forum works, they will most likely have a clause in the contract that China's HD DVD version will have to be somewhat compatible with Toshiba's HD DVD, but Toshiba & other North American companies which support HD DVD will not have exclusive rights to China’s version.

I don't know, I e-mailed a friend which has some insight in this industry. Also, Toshiba’s HD DVD’s spec can be completely altered with a simple patch for higher Mbps & such.

DVD Forum wants HD DVD to succeed here in North America, because it’s money in the pocket, but anyway, Take Care,

Not compatible at all

Quote:

Updated: 9:10 p.m. ET Oct 7, 2005
SHANGHAI, China - For the second time in two years, China has announced plans to develop its own next-generation DVD standard to break the monopoly of foreign companies and avoid paying heavy licensing fees.

Quote:

The official Xinhua News Agency said the new standard will be based on but incompatible with HD DVD, which is being promoted by Toshiba Corp.

MikeRox · 08-14-2007, 07:49 AM

But the lines producing China's HD DVD format players should already be perfectly equipped to also produce players for the rest of the world.

Lee Stewart · 08-14-2007, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeRox

But the lines producing China's HD DVD format players should already be perfectly equipped to also produce players for the rest of the world.

If they can build a C-HD DVD player then yes they are fully equipped to make HD DVD players. The issue is twofold, IMO:

1. What is the license fee Toshiba/NEC charges to make HD DVD players (they are the patent holders)

2. Will the market buy 2 million HD DVD players? Is it ready yet? How much problem is the war causing? Is the group below the EA ready to buy and committ to HD DVD?

Just because they can does not mean they will.

Super XP · 08-14-2007, 10:10 AM

Good point but I believe that China won't have a market to sell there C HD DVD players due to the wide spread of HD DVD & Blu-Ray here in North America. But I am sure they will find an extremely large market in China & India if the price is right.

So, China can still dip into the HD market by coming out with good priced North American HD DVD players.

Lee Stewart · 08-14-2007, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super XP

Good point but I believe that China won't have a market to sell there C HD DVD players due to the wide spread of HD DVD & Blu-Ray here in North America. But I am sure they will find an extremely large market in China & India if the price is right.

Correct - The C-HD DVD format is for China. Don't know about India.

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So, China can still dip into the HD market by coming out with good priced North American HD DVD players.

Only if Toshiba wants them to. It does not have to grant a license to Chinese CEM's. This can be done in too ways:

1. Make the fee large so profit is very small.

2. Grant a license with a reasonable cost and put a start date on it. EXAMPLE: License begins 2/1/08. Stops players from being sold before 2/1/08. Gives Toshiba a good crack at the market for the last 5 weeks in 2007, in addition to month of January 2008.

Super XP · 08-14-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

For some reason, this group here wants HD DVD crapping on the market causing confusion and reluctance for consumers to get involved and want to continue to see poor market penetration and lack of software sales. To them that is HD DVD doing its job well.
Chris

Chris, have you seen the false press releases coming from SONY & Blu-Ray? Already declaring Blu-Ray the winner several times in 2007?

Read the article bellow: This is the best read so far with the writer taking NO sides.
The Format Wars are Over... Blu-Ray Wins? – August 2, 2007
http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback204.html

Then look at this trash. Sony loves manipulating the industry, because Sony cries when they don’t get what they want. They’ve been doing this for several months in 2007.

Sony Set to Market Blu-ray as Winner of Format War
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl.../02/12/2016222

Blu-ray Disc Association declares victory over HD DVD – January 8, 2007
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/b...y-over-hd-dvd/

Sony claims Blu-ray "winner" in format war – February 13, 2007
http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/s...in-format-war/

Sony Plans to Declare Blu-ray the winner – February 9, 2007
http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6415444

Sony's New Blu-ray Marketing Message: Format War is Over – February 10, 2007
http://www./news/show/468

Crap like this is plastered all over the internet.

If SONY declared that people should jump off a bridge, would they?

08-13-2007, 08:43 PM	#110
Super XP Star Trek: The Movie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto, ON. Canada Posts: 5,776	HD DVD and Blu-ray releases on August 14th, 2007 HD DVD and Blu-ray releases on August 14th, 2007 HD DVD 273 vs Blu-ray 282. Blu-ray Bell Witch: The Movie (Big River) Doctor Strange (Lionsgate) The Lookout (Disney) Vacancy (Sony) Wild Hogs (Buena Vista) HD DVD Bell Witch: The Movie (Big River) Dragon's Lair (Digital Leisure) Erin Brockovich (Universal) Meet the Fockers (Universal) Mercury Rising (Universal) What Dreams May Come (Universal) http://http://www.engadgethd.com/200...ust-14th-2007/ This is going to be awesome!!!! Star Trek: The Original Series S1 HD DVD boxed set hits November 20 http://http://www.engadgethd.com/200...s-november-20/ Amazon Bundles Xbox 360 Elite with HD DVD add-on and Seven Discs for $599 Mon Aug 13, 2007 http://http://www./news/show/Xbox_36...s_for_$599/855 Last edited by Super XP; 08-13-2007 at 09:06 PM.

08-14-2007, 10:10 AM	#118
Super XP Star Trek: The Movie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto, ON. Canada Posts: 5,776	Good point but I believe that China won't have a market to sell there C HD DVD players due to the wide spread of HD DVD & Blu-Ray here in North America. But I am sure they will find an extremely large market in China & India if the price is right. So, China can still dip into the HD market by coming out with good priced North American HD DVD players. __________________ Toshiba Regza 46" HDTV (46RF350U) LCD 1080p/24p Toshiba HD-A35 / HD-A3 / XD-E500 LG GGC-H20L Super Multi / PC Drive Onkyo TX-SR605 7.1 TrueHD/DTS HD MA Precision Acoustics™ 8Ch. Hi Def Loudspeaker Series DVD's = 200 = 130 = 10

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Super XP Star Trek: The Movie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto, ON. Canada Posts: 5,776	O.K. well knowing how the DVD Forum works, they will most likely have a clause in the contract that China's HD DVD version will have to be somewhat compatible with Toshiba's HD DVD, but Toshiba & other North American companies which support HD DVD will not have exclusive rights to China’s version. I don't know, I e-mailed a friend which has some insight in this industry. Also, Toshiba’s HD DVD’s spec can be completely altered with a simple patch for higher Mbps & such. DVD Forum wants HD DVD to succeed here in North America, because it’s money in the pocket, but anyway, Take Care,

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MikeRox Blu Blu Skies! :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huddersfield, United Kingdom Posts: 12,416	But the lines producing China's HD DVD format players should already be perfectly equipped to also produce players for the rest of the world.