300 on blu-ray stomps it's hdd counterpart

MikeRox · 08-09-2007, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semp1

Not everyone who owns a blu-ray player is going to want 300 and not every one who owns a ps3 is going to want 300 and not everyone who has a ps3 has a tv able to even play blu-ray so yes I think those sales are not only very good but it shows the industry how the same product sells more on one format.

Well we already knew that, there are products that have sold better on Blu Ray than 300 has in comparison to the HD DVD version as well though and you think every HD DVD owner is going to want 300? Because that arguement goes both ways making it moot.

I own Hot Fuzz, and have Shaun of the Dead on order. My order for 300 fell through though and I havn't got around to re-ordering it yet.

I think the main arguement with your thread is that you're trying to claim a victory on something no one was ever disputing in the firstplace. Did you know the PS2 version of Guitar Hero 2 sold more than the 360 version despite the 360 version having High Def graphics and extra songs?

Does that clearly mean the PS2 will continue to trump 360 equivilent games several years down the line? Soul CAlibur 2s most successful version was the GCs version. Doesn't mean jack in the long run, especially with such a disparity atm in install bases with the "PS3 effect".

Lee Stewart · 08-09-2007, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semp1

You know what I find funny about Lee and anyone who has been on this board for at least 3 months can back me up with this. He goes back and forth with annoying troll comments from blu-ray to hdd. For example when blu-ray went exclusive to blockbuster you were posting that's it the war is over I have to go get a blu-ray player and telling everyone to face facts, you were talking about how you were going to sell your hdd library and all this other crap. Than the second there is slightly good sale in an hdd format you're all back to hdd support saying how blu-ray is this and blu-ray is that. Make up your mind, you just end up looking crazy.

True

False Here are first 4 pages of BBI announcement will ALL my posts and 1 of yours (in green). Please point out in which post I said what you said.

Quote:

Well this doesn't look too good for us HD DVD owners.

Guess that is an understatement!

Oh well . . miminum investment (less than $500 including movies and with 350+DVD's - a great UC unit)and I still might get Blade Runner (Oct) before the plug is pulled.

Quote:

Huge impact. Game over. BB launched DVD as a success BECAUSE they made the decision to carry DVD in their stores. Joe Public goes to BB or Hollywood to rent movies more than he does by mail. When he see's only one HD format - that is what he will choose.

The consumer did not have the chance to "make the decision" as to which format will win.

THAT decision was just made by BB. Whether Sony or the BDA had anything to do with it doesn't matter. Yes - that fact that they might have given them a great revenue sharing program (better than expected) to really drop a nuclear bomb on HD DVD - the outcome is - no HD DVD at BB except for 250 stores which will shrink in time.

Joe Public hates making a decision on CE equipment - he hates to be wrong. So the decision has been made for him.

Quote:

That doesn't jive with the article's descritpion of the experiment that BB did. Or else the experiment has been over "for a while" and none of us knew the results.

You seem to discount this as "nothing to be concerned about" and I just don't see it. No waiting for the mail - do it on your way home - you can check the disc before you rent it to see it's condition.

There is such a thing as "bouncing back" in business, especially if you have an exclusive. I haven't heard a peep from Holleywood Video. And to many, renting 10 movies a month for $30 versus $15 is not a big deal.

Quote:

If you believe this you are living in a fairy tale. Just the announcement has a huge affect. The largest retail video rental chain in the world has choosen BD. That sends a message to Joe Public who probably has a BB card in his wallet, whether he uses it any more, or not.

It tells the masses that they have made a decision and BD is the decision.

Want to bet Wal-Mart is next? Sony has already inked a deal with them on LCD's

.

Quote:

2006 total rental revenue for DVD - $7.5 Billion

http://www.dvdinformation.com/News/press/CES010807.htm

Netflix share - 13.4% (little under $1 billion)

http://www.videobusiness.com/article...html?q=Netflix

Blockbuster's share - 74.6 % (about $5.5 Billion)

http://www.videobusiness.com/article...?q=Blockbuster

Yep Supe - I guess they do.

So how important is HDD to Netflix?

HDD accounts for 1% of their business

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/03/28...ixs-shipments/

Quote:

You can read into this any way you want:

6/18/07 - Sony S300 streets - $499
6/18/07 - Panasonic BD player with free BD's in box streets - $599
6/18/07 - AP "officially" releases BB article

6/20/07 - 1 year anniversary for BD

And the sale ended 6/16/07 for the HD A2 which is back up to $399.

It would not surprise me if tomorrow Toshiba makes an announcement that they will permanently lower it's price to $299

---------------------------------------------------------
Posted by Semp 1
What I like about Lee is hes adie hard HDDVD guy so you know this post hurts. But hes also right this is going to gave a huge impact on movie companie s decisions for which format to do more exclusive deals, and you bet your ass Universals coming real soon. And dont think for one minute chains like BEST BUY and Circuit City aren't taking this decision seriously.
-------------------------------------------------------

Quote:

Just go back to my last post:

Netflix says HDD is 1% of their business so 99% of their business is DVD. As all the models seem to bear out that BD has 70% with HD DVD at 30% then of the 1% - .7% are BD and .3% are HD DVD

The official BB announcement adds the following info:

Total stores to carry BD - 1700
Total titles to be carried - 170

That is also 1700 more outlets where a BD could be purchased as BB also sells movies as well as rents them. Yes they will probably carry less titles for sale but they will be there.

As Netflix is strictly an on-line service and BB has managed to keep up with them - Netflix did $1 billion in 2006. That leaves $4.5 billion from rentals at BB locations and also $1 billion from on-line. So the ratio is 4 to 1 favoring the walk in over the mail in.

The BB plan says you can return your movie to a store so if convinent - you could also pick one up right then and there as opposed to waiting for a mailer to come especially if it is a title you have been waiting for a while.

And Joe Public as we know, likes his decisions made for him. So if he is aware that there are two formats and walks into one of those 1700 stores - he will only see BD. (with the exception of the 250 that were part of the experiment)

The average adult spends $1200 per year on CE. Those with kids and teens spend up to $500 more than that.

Today 6/18/07 at 8:35AM - the Sony S300 is $100 higher in MSRP than the Toshiba A2.

Quote:

BB did say in their official PR that they are NOT slamming the door on HD DVD and that if consumers show that this is the prefered format - they would carry it.

Quote:

And BB has an exclusive agreement with The Weinstein Company which is a HD DVD exclusive. Will it remain so in light of this announcement?

Quote:

RED: - Correct . from the BB PR:

"The 1,700 additional stores will offer more than 170 Blu-ray titles and will add more as they are released.

The added locations are “in those stores where our research indicates there will be the most demand,” said Matthew Smith, Blockbuster senior VP of merchandising.

The company hasn’t given up on HD DVD. “Obviously, when customers are ready, we can expand the Blu-ray offering to more stores and add HD DVD to more locations if that’s what customers tell us they want,” Smith said."

DSNY FN · 08-09-2007, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semp1

No I am willing to make a bet it matches the price by then of the lowest 1080p hdd player what would that be the A20 right you can not compare a player than can not do 1080p because you know that will be the sales person's pitch and yes I bet the player will be below 300 by christmas. The biggest turning day is going to be black friday (the day after Thanksgiving), also known as the biggest sale day of the year. And honestly no I did not expect it to be any more lopsided than it is when it comes to BD sales come on you put a movie out the same movie on the market and it almost sells double of blu-ray considering how many hdd stand alones there are isnt that a poor sales figure also based on how many stand alone's there are and let's not forget about all the other times movies came out on both formats and not once has it sold more on hdd. Not everyone who owns a blu-ray player is going to want 300 and not every one who owns a ps3 is going to want 300 and not everyone who has a ps3 has a tv able to even play blu-ray so yes I think those sales are not only very good but it shows the industry how the same product sells more on one format.

Maybe in the US but in Canada it will be boxing day the day after x mas when all our stores start boxing week sales to clear out all the gear they had left from the pre x mas rush. The Xbox 360 has allready recieved a pricedrop on teh premium set up here down to 399 compared to the 599 for the PS3. So on boxing day you will see a very large price drop on many players especially teh HD DVD players. I was looking at the A20 this week and was told to hold off till after x mas if I could as there will be significant price reductions on them so I will hold my cash till then.

**PFC5** · 08-09-2007, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semp1

No I am willing to make a bet it matches the price by then of the lowest 1080p hdd player what would that be the A20 right you can not compare a player than can not do 1080p because you know that will be the sales person's pitch and yes I bet the player will be below 300 by christmas. The biggest turning day is going to be black friday (the day after Thanksgiving), also known as the biggest sale day of the year. And honestly no I did not expect it to be any more lopsided than it is when it comes to BD sales come on you put a movie out the same movie on the market and it almost sells double of blu-ray considering how many hdd stand alones there are isnt that a poor sales figure also based on how many stand alone's there are and let's not forget about all the other times movies came out on both formats and not once has it sold more on hdd. Not everyone who owns a blu-ray player is going to want 300 and not every one who owns a ps3 is going to want 300 and not everyone who has a ps3 has a tv able to even play blu-ray so yes I think those sales are not only very good but it shows the industry how the same product sells more on one format.

You are back peddling on your original bet that I accepted I might add.

But you are a smart guy and KNOW that ALL HD players for BOTH formats take the 1080p off the disc and convert it to 1080i, but some players convert it back to 1080p for output just like the 1080p displays will do anyway. It is purely marketing, unless you have a display that can REALLY do a 120hz refresh AND accept 1080p/24Fps to do 5:5 pulldown. Presently, there are own about 0.5% HD displays that can do this. For those displays the player bypasses the 1080i conversion, but again it is only good for 0.5% of HD displays.

So with the PS3 demographics favoring a movie like 300, the lower price for the BD version, and the installed base of BD players being about 8:1 favoring BD, you think doing a little LESS than the average current ratios is GOOD for BD?

I think it shows that the only thing going in HD DVD's favor (having more extras) DOES mean more than most BD fans would like to admit.

I agree with Stew that it is good to have intelligent civil debates with you and applaud this very good change.

It reminds me of the line by Ken Watanabe in The Last Samurai, when he says to Tom Cruise. "I have enjoyed this GOOD conversation."

neal77 · 08-09-2007, 04:25 PM

Lets not forget that 300 on HD-DVD was sold out on many places. I think most retailers didn't expect to sell that many on HD-DVD.

ClashFan · 08-09-2007, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semp1

That's right 300 has sold 163,00 out of the 250,000 sold on blu-ray. That leaves 97,000 respectfully sold on the hdd format. Not for nothing that's almost double sold on blu-ray!!!

And where'd you get those numbers?

neal77 · 08-09-2007, 04:46 PM

Lets look at some numbers. (these numbers are from a july post)
HD-DVD players in US = 180,000. Number of copies of 300 sold on HD-DVD (according to this post) is 87,000. That percentage is (can someone do the math?)

Blu Ray players in the US includeing ps3 = 1,500,000. Number of copies of 300 sold on Blu Ray = 163,000. That percentage is ?

The attachment rate is the most important number and thats what the studios will be looking at. IMO ofcourse.
Thank you for you time
Link for the numbers
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6461197.html

**PFC5** · 08-09-2007, 05:14 PM

Neal:

Those numbers are almost 1 month old now, and that is based on the numbers being as of 7/11/07. They are probably as of 6/30/07 though since numbers are usually tallied at the end of a month.

If we use 180,000 HD DVD player we should be counting the 360 add on too or else with only 180,000 players the market percentage for how many HD DVD owners bought that movie at a staggering 48.6%.

Adding 100,000 for SAL BD players that would give BD a 10.2% buy rate.

connerc_37 · 08-09-2007, 05:19 PM

wheres the link you lying bastard. Everyone has been buying 300 on HD. Blu Ray sucks except in Japan. Even people with reg dvds buy HD becasue it works both ways.

mshulman · 08-09-2007, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeRox

All depends how many stand alones Toshiba shift over Xmas doesn't it?

This will really be a big factor.

Other big factor is growth. If the sales keep going and blu-ray keeps having a 2:1 advantage, then its clear they are both growing at the same rate. Same title sales are really the best measuring stick too. If however either side starts to pull away, blu-ray maybe starting to sell 3:1, 4:1..etc or HD DVD bringing it up to 2:1.5 or something then we'll start to see something.

I think the PS3 has skewed things, but not for the reason many people think. Many PS3 owners would likely own blu-ray players as well. The PS3 was their choice simply because it can do both games and movies. I think this is the majority of blu-ray buyers - those that got PS3 for gaming probably don't buy many if any at all.

mshulman · 08-09-2007, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by connerc_37

wheres the link you lying bastard. Everyone has been buying 300 on HD. Blu Ray sucks except in Japan. Even people with reg dvds buy HD becasue it works both ways.

Sorry, but this comment is just as bad as blu-ray fanboys calling saying HD DUD or HD DEAD...

Blu-ray is doing well. There's no arguing that. Just like there's no arguing that HD DVD is doing well too - just not as well as blu-ray.

And people are not buying the HD DVD version of 300 just because it works both ways. This is so not true. Combo's are a great concept, but not at their current price point.

I don't like FUD (very overused word and I don't really like the word either...) regardless of which side its for. Argue which is better, winning, losing etc... based on facts, not made up or terribly speculative info.

hmurchison · 08-09-2007, 06:15 PM

Why are many Blu-ray fans so annoying? I'm sure there are a few HD DVD fanbots that annoy but true to the relative numbers of the format there seems to be a 2:1 ratio of Blu-bots to HD-bots.

Something tells me that Warner could have sold more if they had stocked the stores better.

Lee Stewart · 08-09-2007, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClashFan

And where'd you get those numbers?

WB said 250,000 and USA Today said 65/35 split on the numbers.

ILOVEMYHDTV · 08-09-2007, 06:27 PM

Hiall, well I got this banana

It is not ripe yet but one day soon it will be;;; this guy gets paid to talk; oohh excuse me, write this stuff... propaganda, well I got this banana

It is not ripe yet but one day it will be.......

Super XP · 08-09-2007, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeRox

Thats the thing really, it's no where near as comfortable a lead for Blu Ray as all the recent announcements would lead you to believe. I feel as much as price drops are ridiculed, the sub $200 emotional barrier HD DVD is supposed to smash in Q4, could open the floodgates coupled with the right marketing and software. (make a thing of titles like The Matrix/Star Trek etc).

But there is something else going on that I don't think people are realizing, and its not fair for HD DVD.

I went to Wal-Mart & Best Buy today and noticed something interesting about the displays for HD DVD & Blu-Ray.

The HD DVD’s are of a metallic red colour where as the Blu-Ray is a baby blue colour.

Looking at both Wal-Mart & Best Buy HD displays the Blu-Ray is plastered all over the top of the display where people see the warm baby blue colour even from a distance. The HD DVD section is just bellow the Blu-Ray section where you actually have to physically bend over to see them. The HD DVD’s are also not very noticeable from a distance.

IMO, I would suspect that many people (illiterate with all this HD stuff) would probably favor the Blu-Ray instead of the HD DVD due to the warm baby blue colour. To them, its probably just looks like it would be better picture & sound quality.

I think stores should give both formats the respect they deserve & let people choose one. I believe Wal-Mart & Best Buy need to re-think the way they are advertising both HD formats.

08-09-2007, 04:25 PM	#35
neal77 High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: L.A. California Posts: 495	Lets not forget that 300 on HD-DVD was sold out on many places. I think most retailers didn't expect to sell that many on HD-DVD. __________________ HD-DVDS: 155 DVD's: 1,800 SHARP 52" 52d92u LCD TV XBOX360 ELITE HD-DVD ADD ON Toshiba A30

08-09-2007, 04:46 PM	#37
neal77 High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: L.A. California Posts: 495	Lets look at some numbers. (these numbers are from a july post) HD-DVD players in US = 180,000. Number of copies of 300 sold on HD-DVD (according to this post) is 87,000. That percentage is (can someone do the math?) Blu Ray players in the US includeing ps3 = 1,500,000. Number of copies of 300 sold on Blu Ray = 163,000. That percentage is ? The attachment rate is the most important number and thats what the studios will be looking at. IMO ofcourse. Thank you for you time Link for the numbers http://www.twice.com/article/CA6461197.html __________________ HD-DVDS: 155 DVD's: 1,800 SHARP 52" 52d92u LCD TV XBOX360 ELITE HD-DVD ADD ON Toshiba A30

08-09-2007, 05:14 PM	#38
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 31,087	Neal: Those numbers are almost 1 month old now, and that is based on the numbers being as of 7/11/07. They are probably as of 6/30/07 though since numbers are usually tallied at the end of a month. If we use 180,000 HD DVD player we should be counting the 360 add on too or else with only 180,000 players the market percentage for how many HD DVD owners bought that movie at a staggering 48.6%. Adding 100,000 for SAL BD players that would give BD a 10.2% buy rate. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier PSN: PFC5

08-09-2007, 05:19 PM	#39
connerc_37 HD DVD: Way of the Future Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 18 Posts: 396	wheres the link you lying bastard. Everyone has been buying 300 on HD. Blu Ray sucks except in Japan. Even people with reg dvds buy HD becasue it works both ways. __________________ Age: 18 Location: Seattle WA Toshiba HD A2: 31 Movies Sony BDPS1: 10 Movies 50' in Samsung Plasma 42' in Viore Plasma Nintendo Wii Xbox 360 Dish HD

08-09-2007, 06:15 PM	#42
hmurchison High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 162	Why are many Blu-ray fans so annoying? I'm sure there are a few HD DVD fanbots that annoy but true to the relative numbers of the format there seems to be a 2:1 ratio of Blu-bots to HD-bots. Something tells me that Warner could have sold more if they had stocked the stores better. __________________ HD DVD rocks! Latest movie purchase 300 & Hot Fuzz

08-09-2007, 06:27 PM	#44
ILOVEMYHDTV High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 212	Just my opinion Hiall, well I got this banana It is not ripe yet but one day soon it will be;;; this guy gets paid to talk; oohh excuse me, write this stuff... propaganda, well I got this banana It is not ripe yet but one day it will be.......

Similar Threads to 300 on blu-ray stomps it's hdd counterpart
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
The Beginner's Guide to HDTV	mswoods1	The High Definition Lounge	19	04-28-2008 03:03 PM
What are all the differences between HD DVD and Blu Ray? Huh?	mswoods1	High Definition Media	75	01-17-2008 05:44 PM
Blu ray vs hd dvd blu ray a winner	lcjjm	Blu-Ray Players	56	12-18-2007 06:48 PM
Getting a hd dvd on blu ray	oleviarules	The High Definition Lounge	10	11-27-2007 08:51 PM
Use of blu ray drive equipped computers to record HDTV.	eddiem	High Definition Receivers, Recorders, Players, Tivos	0	05-23-2007 05:21 PM