300 on blu-ray stomps it's hdd counterpart

tcarcio · 08-09-2007, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

So BD has 6X the install base in players . . . but can only muster a 2 to 1 lead in the software sales. Of which they started to do in Jan. of this year and it has not changed since.

And you BD supporters cheer about this? LOL

I have said the same thing but usually you get the , but that is different argument, Niether format is making a killing in sales and to spin it as to a stomping when the numbers are the same as they have been all along is definitly troll like........

Actually if I was to make a thread that read, Blu ray falls short of expectations, it would be more valid than this one..............

HD VHS · 08-09-2007, 09:30 AM

I am actually starting to think HD DVD could win this... I mean 2:1 software sales? I would be worried about this considering HD DVD has nearly no support, come christmas if any companies on blu ray camp go neutral, I will smell victory

Then I can do a ebay listing of my blu ray movies selling them under the "collectibles" section

MikeRox · 08-09-2007, 11:10 AM

Thats the thing really, it's no where near as comfortable a lead for Blu Ray as all the recent announcements would lead you to believe. I feel as much as price drops are ridiculed, the sub $200 emotional barrier HD DVD is supposed to smash in Q4, could open the floodgates coupled with the right marketing and software. (make a thing of titles like The Matrix/Star Trek etc).

Lee Stewart · 08-09-2007, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeRox

Thats the thing really, it's no where near as comfortable a lead for Blu Ray as all the recent announcements would lead you to believe. I feel as much as price drops are ridiculed, the sub $200 emotional barrier HD DVD is supposed to smash in Q4, could open the floodgates coupled with the right marketing and software. (make a thing of titles like The Matrix/Star Trek etc).

Which do you believe will "open the floodgates" and get people to buy an HDD player?

1. $199 priced players and $29.99 to $39.99 priced movies.

2. $399 priced players and $29.99 to $49.99 priced movies.

3. Neither - player price is secondary to the cost of the software.

MikeRox · 08-09-2007, 11:23 AM

Thats where you're wrong really though. People will buy certain titles at the prices of HD content. Just not loads. The fact is though, at $199 HD DVD players will be competetive with upscaling equivilents.

I know people wanting a HD DVD player when Heroes comes out as they saw the TV series in HD, and feel it would be a backwards step watching the DVD in SD afterwards.

Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii games all cost roughly the same in the UK, the hardware however Wii is far cheaper. It's getting the hardware into houses that is the biggest hurdle at this stage.

Semp1 · 08-09-2007, 11:30 AM

You know what I find funny about Lee and anyone who has been on this board for at least 3 months can back me up with this. He goes back and forth with annoying troll comments from blu-ray to hdd. For example when blu-ray went exclusive to blockbuster you were posting that's it the war is over I have to go get a blu-ray player and telling everyone to face facts, you were talking about how you were going to sell your hdd library and all this other crap. Than the second there is slightly good sale in an hdd format you're all back to hdd support saying how blu-ray is this and blu-ray is that. Make up your mind, you just end up looking crazy.

Semp1 · 08-09-2007, 11:33 AM

The reason you haven't seen the ps3 effect yet is because I'm sure the majority of people who own ps3 still own standard def tv's but once little by little they by hidef tv's you'll see an even bigger increase in movie sales, what does everyone usually say right after buying a 360 or ps3, "now I need a new tv...". My prediction is the sales of this movie will bump sales of hardware by word of mouth on both formats but as time goes on and spiderman comes out along with some more disney/pixar films little by little hdd will phase out plus I bet by christmas Sony drops the price of their bdp-s300 to match hdd prices. Let's be honest if blu-ray prices evenly match hdd prices hdd doesn't really stand a chance there's a bunch of people who you would even call hdd fanboy's on this site who have stated once the players come down in price their going neutral and all that means is even more blu-ray software and even more stand alone's sold. I wish both formats would sell than I would have an excuse to buy an hdd player, it's not like I haven't been tempted it's just as of now I have little faith in it as a format maybe christmas will change my opinion but I think christmas is more of a great white hype and hdd supporters are going to be very disappointed.

MikeRox · 08-09-2007, 11:35 AM

Its sales represented the sales trends there have been for the past 8 months. I.e. it performed as you would expect. Stomping would have been 3:1 or greater for Blu Ray.

You reckon Sony will drop the s300 to $199 which is pretty much the confirmed entry price of HD DVD for xmas now?

sneakerz · 08-09-2007, 11:47 AM

I was hooked with the 399.00 price on my Toshiba HD-A2, but if they want to grab consumers, then I would go with choice number 1.

On another note someone brought up a good point about the sales numbers. For the movie 300 only selling 160,000 on Blu is IMO pretty poor if you take into consideration that there are over 1 million Blu Ray players out there. Is that 300 movie U.S. sales or world wide? I think this Holiday season will be the determining factor for the format. HD DVD all the way baby!!!!

Semp1 · 08-09-2007, 11:52 AM

Like I said just give me an ecuse and i'll buy an hdd player I could care less either way I have a ps3 so my blu-ray's will never go to waste at least not for many years if hdd was to win but after christmas that will be my determining factor and if blu-ray is still ahead that is when I will buy a stand alone for blu-ray. Plus Lee there is not 1 49.99 movie on blu-ray matter of fact most blu-ray movies that are dual format with hdd are cheaper on blu-ray.

**PFC5** · 08-09-2007, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semp1

The reason you haven't seen the ps3 effect yet is because I'm sure the majority of people who own ps3 still own standard def tv's but once little by little they by hidef tv's you'll see an even bigger increase in movie sales, what does everyone usually say right after buying a 360 or ps3, "now I need a new tv...". My prediction is the sales of this movie will bump sales of hardware by word of mouth on both formats but as time goes on and spiderman comes out along with some more disney/pixar films little by little hdd will phase out plus I bet by christmas Sony drops the price of their bdp-s300 to match hdd prices. Let's be honest if blu-ray prices evenly match hdd prices hdd doesn't really stand a chance there's a bunch of people who you would even call hdd fanboy's on this site who have stated once the players come down in price their going neutral and all that means is even more blu-ray software and even more stand alone's sold. I wish both formats would sell than I would have an excuse to buy an hdd, it's not like I haven't been tempted it's just as of now I have little faith in it as a format maybe christmas will change my opinion but I think christmas is more of a great white hype and hdd supporters are going to be very disappointed.

Let's start with the BLUE portion. This transition will take 3-4 years. By the time this could be a major factor there will be too many players in EITHER format for the studios to walk away from the revenue IMO.

Now the RED portion. I will take that bet if you are saying the S300 will match the price of the THEN lowest priced HD DVD player. Or are you saying it will drop to the current $300.00 MSRP? Big difference and I also think the BEST we could hope for the S300 price this Christmas is $350.00 anyway. It may not go that low even, if Sony actually starts believing their "The war is over claims".

Now the PINK portion. YADA YADA YADA. and if the PS3 didn't exist or have BD playback their would be NO BD format. What do the BD fans say in responce to the "No PS3-No BD" claims by HD DVD fans? Just read those back for your own response here.

Now one question to ask you. Be honest please. Given the lower price of the BD version of 300, the 8:1 larger player (for HD movie playback not gaming) installed base, with the under 30 y.o. crowd demographics of the PS3, didn't you expect the ratios to be much more lopsided in BD's favor instead of 1.85:1?

Semp1 · 08-09-2007, 11:59 AM

No I am willing to make a bet it matches the price by then of the lowest 1080p hdd player what would that be the A20 right you can not compare a player than can not do 1080p because you know that will be the sales person's pitch and yes I bet the player will be below 300 by christmas. The biggest turning day is going to be black friday (the day after Thanksgiving), also known as the biggest sale day of the year. And honestly no I did not expect it to be any more lopsided than it is when it comes to BD sales come on you put a movie out the same movie on the market and it almost sells double of blu-ray considering how many hdd stand alones there are isnt that a poor sales figure also based on how many stand alone's there are and let's not forget about all the other times movies came out on both formats and not once has it sold more on hdd. Not everyone who owns a blu-ray player is going to want 300 and not every one who owns a ps3 is going to want 300 and not everyone who has a ps3 has a tv able to even play blu-ray so yes I think those sales are not only very good but it shows the industry how the same product sells more on one format.

DSNY FN · 08-09-2007, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semp1

I really don't think hot fuzz and sean of the dead detracted anything from 300 considering in the US they didnt really do that well in theatres.

I do considering I bought both of the other titles and not 300 I don't really care for those types of movies so 300 for me is at best a rental. I purchased it took it home and then returned it unopened in favour of Hot Fuzz and Sean of the Dead and Disturbia.

Semp1 · 08-09-2007, 12:07 PM

Don't get me wrong I love sean of the Dead and Hot Fuzz but you are not he majority you are the minority and that is not going to take from the bigger picture when it comes to sales.

Stew4HD · 08-09-2007, 12:09 PM

PFC, you might still want to take that bet.. the S300 against the A20 (though Semp crawfished on his statement by stating 1080p criteria).

Semp, regarding a reason to buy an HD DVD player, having both formats means you never have to miss an HD movie, period. No other BS/fanboy reason needed. You can still love your BD player but be able to watch all the Uni releases, the WB releases with the better sound/extras (when they do that) if you want.

By the way, Semp1, it is nice to see your posts with more thought involved than flame starting one you began this thread with, I mean that as a compliment. It's nice to have a fairly normal discussion

08-09-2007, 11:30 AM	#21
Semp1 Just Go Neutral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn. NY Age: 28 Posts: 691	You know what I find funny about Lee and anyone who has been on this board for at least 3 months can back me up with this. He goes back and forth with annoying troll comments from blu-ray to hdd. For example when blu-ray went exclusive to blockbuster you were posting that's it the war is over I have to go get a blu-ray player and telling everyone to face facts, you were talking about how you were going to sell your hdd library and all this other crap. Than the second there is slightly good sale in an hdd format you're all back to hdd support saying how blu-ray is this and blu-ray is that. Make up your mind, you just end up looking crazy. __________________ Living Room: Sony KDL52XBR6 Sony STR-DG910 (Unknown Replacement coming soon) Center Channel: Polk CS10 Front Towers: Polk TSI300 Rear Speakers: Polk TSI100 Sub Woofer: Sony SA-W3000 Apple TV PS3 Slim XBOX 360 Wii Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD Bed Room: Sony KDL40XBR2/3 Samsung BDP2500 Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD PS3 (60gb) XBOX 360 Blu-ray=260 Last edited by Semp1; 08-09-2007 at 11:48 AM.

08-09-2007, 11:33 AM	#22
Semp1 Just Go Neutral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn. NY Age: 28 Posts: 691	The reason you haven't seen the ps3 effect yet is because I'm sure the majority of people who own ps3 still own standard def tv's but once little by little they by hidef tv's you'll see an even bigger increase in movie sales, what does everyone usually say right after buying a 360 or ps3, "now I need a new tv...". My prediction is the sales of this movie will bump sales of hardware by word of mouth on both formats but as time goes on and spiderman comes out along with some more disney/pixar films little by little hdd will phase out plus I bet by christmas Sony drops the price of their bdp-s300 to match hdd prices. Let's be honest if blu-ray prices evenly match hdd prices hdd doesn't really stand a chance there's a bunch of people who you would even call hdd fanboy's on this site who have stated once the players come down in price their going neutral and all that means is even more blu-ray software and even more stand alone's sold. I wish both formats would sell than I would have an excuse to buy an hdd player, it's not like I haven't been tempted it's just as of now I have little faith in it as a format maybe christmas will change my opinion but I think christmas is more of a great white hype and hdd supporters are going to be very disappointed. __________________ Living Room: Sony KDL52XBR6 Sony STR-DG910 (Unknown Replacement coming soon) Center Channel: Polk CS10 Front Towers: Polk TSI300 Rear Speakers: Polk TSI100 Sub Woofer: Sony SA-W3000 Apple TV PS3 Slim XBOX 360 Wii Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD Bed Room: Sony KDL40XBR2/3 Samsung BDP2500 Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD PS3 (60gb) XBOX 360 Blu-ray=260 Last edited by Semp1; 08-09-2007 at 11:44 AM.

08-09-2007, 11:47 AM	#24
sneakerz HI DEF Rules Join Date: May 2007 Location: Detroit Age: 37 Posts: 56	I was hooked with the 399.00 price on my Toshiba HD-A2, but if they want to grab consumers, then I would go with choice number 1. On another note someone brought up a good point about the sales numbers. For the movie 300 only selling 160,000 on Blu is IMO pretty poor if you take into consideration that there are over 1 million Blu Ray players out there. Is that 300 movie U.S. sales or world wide? I think this Holiday season will be the determining factor for the format. HD DVD all the way baby!!!! __________________ Living Room Sharp DT500 DLP Projector 96" 16 X 9 Carada Screen Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD Player Pioneer CLD D505 LaserDisc Player Yamaha 6.1 RX SL100 Sound System DirecTV HR-20 HD DVR Psyclone Competition Grade HDMI Switch Bedrooms 2 Vizio VX37L 37" LCD 2 XBOX 360 w/HD DVD player Kenwood VR 2080 5.1 Eosone RSA 100 Speaker System HD DVD:60 Blu Ray: 0

08-09-2007, 11:52 AM	#25
Semp1 Just Go Neutral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn. NY Age: 28 Posts: 691	Like I said just give me an ecuse and i'll buy an hdd player I could care less either way I have a ps3 so my blu-ray's will never go to waste at least not for many years if hdd was to win but after christmas that will be my determining factor and if blu-ray is still ahead that is when I will buy a stand alone for blu-ray. Plus Lee there is not 1 49.99 movie on blu-ray matter of fact most blu-ray movies that are dual format with hdd are cheaper on blu-ray. __________________ Living Room: Sony KDL52XBR6 Sony STR-DG910 (Unknown Replacement coming soon) Center Channel: Polk CS10 Front Towers: Polk TSI300 Rear Speakers: Polk TSI100 Sub Woofer: Sony SA-W3000 Apple TV PS3 Slim XBOX 360 Wii Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD Bed Room: Sony KDL40XBR2/3 Samsung BDP2500 Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD PS3 (60gb) XBOX 360 Blu-ray=260 Last edited by Semp1; 08-09-2007 at 11:54 AM.

08-09-2007, 11:59 AM	#27
Semp1 Just Go Neutral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn. NY Age: 28 Posts: 691	No I am willing to make a bet it matches the price by then of the lowest 1080p hdd player what would that be the A20 right you can not compare a player than can not do 1080p because you know that will be the sales person's pitch and yes I bet the player will be below 300 by christmas. The biggest turning day is going to be black friday (the day after Thanksgiving), also known as the biggest sale day of the year. And honestly no I did not expect it to be any more lopsided than it is when it comes to BD sales come on you put a movie out the same movie on the market and it almost sells double of blu-ray considering how many hdd stand alones there are isnt that a poor sales figure also based on how many stand alone's there are and let's not forget about all the other times movies came out on both formats and not once has it sold more on hdd. Not everyone who owns a blu-ray player is going to want 300 and not every one who owns a ps3 is going to want 300 and not everyone who has a ps3 has a tv able to even play blu-ray so yes I think those sales are not only very good but it shows the industry how the same product sells more on one format. __________________ Living Room: Sony KDL52XBR6 Sony STR-DG910 (Unknown Replacement coming soon) Center Channel: Polk CS10 Front Towers: Polk TSI300 Rear Speakers: Polk TSI100 Sub Woofer: Sony SA-W3000 Apple TV PS3 Slim XBOX 360 Wii Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD Bed Room: Sony KDL40XBR2/3 Samsung BDP2500 Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD PS3 (60gb) XBOX 360 Blu-ray=260 Last edited by Semp1; 08-09-2007 at 12:09 PM.

08-09-2007, 09:30 AM	#17
HD VHS High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 987	I am actually starting to think HD DVD could win this... I mean 2:1 software sales? I would be worried about this considering HD DVD has nearly no support, come christmas if any companies on blu ray camp go neutral, I will smell victory Then I can do a ebay listing of my blu ray movies selling them under the "collectibles" section

08-09-2007, 11:10 AM	#18
MikeRox Blu Blu Skies! :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huddersfield, United Kingdom Posts: 12,416	Thats the thing really, it's no where near as comfortable a lead for Blu Ray as all the recent announcements would lead you to believe. I feel as much as price drops are ridiculed, the sub $200 emotional barrier HD DVD is supposed to smash in Q4, could open the floodgates coupled with the right marketing and software. (make a thing of titles like The Matrix/Star Trek etc).

08-09-2007, 11:23 AM	#20
MikeRox Blu Blu Skies! :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huddersfield, United Kingdom Posts: 12,416	Thats where you're wrong really though. People will buy certain titles at the prices of HD content. Just not loads. The fact is though, at $199 HD DVD players will be competetive with upscaling equivilents. I know people wanting a HD DVD player when Heroes comes out as they saw the TV series in HD, and feel it would be a backwards step watching the DVD in SD afterwards. Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii games all cost roughly the same in the UK, the hardware however Wii is far cheaper. It's getting the hardware into houses that is the biggest hurdle at this stage.

08-09-2007, 11:35 AM	#23
MikeRox Blu Blu Skies! :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huddersfield, United Kingdom Posts: 12,416	Its sales represented the sales trends there have been for the past 8 months. I.e. it performed as you would expect. Stomping would have been 3:1 or greater for Blu Ray. You reckon Sony will drop the s300 to $199 which is pretty much the confirmed entry price of HD DVD for xmas now?

08-09-2007, 12:07 PM	#29
Semp1 Just Go Neutral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn. NY Age: 28 Posts: 691	Don't get me wrong I love sean of the Dead and Hot Fuzz but you are not he majority you are the minority and that is not going to take from the bigger picture when it comes to sales. __________________ Living Room: Sony KDL52XBR6 Sony STR-DG910 (Unknown Replacement coming soon) Center Channel: Polk CS10 Front Towers: Polk TSI300 Rear Speakers: Polk TSI100 Sub Woofer: Sony SA-W3000 Apple TV PS3 Slim XBOX 360 Wii Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD Bed Room: Sony KDL40XBR2/3 Samsung BDP2500 Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD PS3 (60gb) XBOX 360 Blu-ray=260

08-09-2007, 12:09 PM	#30
Stew4HD High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,068	PFC, you might still want to take that bet.. the S300 against the A20 (though Semp crawfished on his statement by stating 1080p criteria). Semp, regarding a reason to buy an HD DVD player, having both formats means you never have to miss an HD movie, period. No other BS/fanboy reason needed. You can still love your BD player but be able to watch all the Uni releases, the WB releases with the better sound/extras (when they do that) if you want. By the way, Semp1, it is nice to see your posts with more thought involved than flame starting one you began this thread with, I mean that as a compliment. It's nice to have a fairly normal discussion __________________ ___________________________________

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