300 on blu-ray stomps it's hdd counterpart

dobyblue · 08-14-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Facts? LOL, far from it, Blu-Ray is responsible for several false claims, telling the media that they've won the format war. Well, far from it. You don’t see Toshiba making false claims like that.

This HD format WAR will be around for a long time. The DVD industry is quite small maybe around $11 Million annually from customers, where as the PC Computer industry makes 5+ times more then that amount, and we still have not seen a wide spread of HD players in our computers & notebooks.

If you ask me, 3 ways which will spell the end to this war and that is by the Personal Computer, Universal is not longer exclusive to HD DVD & if Warner & Paramount become exclusive to HD DVD..

HD DVD & Blu-Ray both have there unique benefits period. Both formats have there up’s & downs.

Time Warner is a member of the Blu-ray Disc Association's board of directors, hence New Line, HBO and Warner Bros. will remain neutral until Time Warner decides otherwise.

I see Toshiba making lots of false claims, like how they choose to ignore the PS3 and Blu-ray enabled drives for PC's conveniently when talking about how they are winning the hardware war in Europe.

I see MS making lots of false claims like how we will never see BD50's being used, which caused a lot of people in mid last year to change their stance and support the format that came out of the gate better.

mshulman · 08-14-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

I'm sorry but saying the difference in overall reviews as being "irrelevant" is not answering the question as to why HD DVD is not leading in PQ when we were told so many times that HD DVD has better PQ than Blu-ray and as the last few pages have shown, continue to see these myths.

Personally, I think it was a mistake for either side to tout better picture quality or audio quality.

They are both great. Toshiba should stick to discussing how they have a complete spec, Combos (albeit at prices too high for any benefit right now) and some pretty important requirements in their specs, such as ethernet ports.

Sony should have stuck to more hardware support and studio support. As well as larger discs for data with use on computers.

dobyblue · 08-14-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Facts? LOL, far from it

Last time I checked the reviews from 5 of the major sites and the disc sales from Nielsen were all considered facts.

dobyblue · 08-14-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

So you believe 7% is worthy of all this fuss about BD having better PQ?

Considering the number was behind at the start of the year and continues to grow and expand the gap every time I update the sheets, yes I think it is significant.

Stew4HD · 08-14-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

Um...duh, by counting up all the reviews from High Def Digest, Home Theater Spot, Upcoming Discs, Home theater Forum and DVD Talk.

I'm pretty sure that part was already covered.

Those figures are the averages of 902 HD DVD reviews and 933 Blu-ray reviews.

I would be more than happy to upload the spreadsheet for you so you can take a look at it and silence your foolish calls of "BS, BS"

I have always offered to make the spreadsheet available so that the ignorant can educate themselves.

As for LOTR, suggesting it might only come out on HD DVD, now THAT is bullshit fresh on the heels of New Line's announcement that they will be releasing Hairspray on both formats. If you think they will suddenly stop supporting the format they see selling the best, you're of your rocker.

Ah, as Lee stated, you are truly a BD shill! Spread your FUD back over on BD.com or wherever you came from. You can take numbers from any place you want to make YOUR BS look good. I am telling you what I see and that is what matters, not some BS bitrate crap you conjured up from this site and that.

Dirtydog · 08-14-2007, 03:42 PM

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dobyblue · 08-14-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

OK. Can't do it. I understand. Funny I could easily do it if someone asked me the benefits of BD. But I won't even consider it asked until you can first do it with HD DVD.

And I only support HD DVD

I am not asking you what the benefits of Blu-ray are.

mshulman · 08-14-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

I do not see any advantages to HD DVD. I am not neutral.
I support Blu-ray only.

Price is an advantage.

Combos/Twin discs is a potential advantage if used properly. Just think - instead of DVD's and Blu-ray's in stores, you could have HD DVD/Twin/Combos - 1 shelf space for 2 formats. Not necessarily likely to happen, but it is still an advantage.

Complete specs is an advantage.

You can't argue that these aren't advantages, any more than someone could argue how studio support is not an advantage for blu-ray.

Super XP · 08-14-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

Time Warner is a member of the Blu-ray Disc Association's board of directors, hence New Line, HBO and Warner Bros. will remain neutral until Time Warner decides otherwise.

I see Toshiba making lots of false claims, like how they choose to ignore the PS3 and Blu-ray enabled drives for PC's conveniently when talking about how they are winning the hardware war in Europe.

I see MS making lots of false claims like how we will never see BD50's being used, which caused a lot of people in mid last year to change their stance and support the format that came out of the gate better.

PS3 is a gaming system, it falls under that category, XBOX 360's HD DVD player is a player which falls under that category.

In reality, there is a shit load more HD DVD players sold then Blu-Ray players sold excluding the PS3 gaming system. I understand your point though.

Lee Stewart · 08-14-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

Considering the number was behind at the start of the year and continues to grow and expand the gap every time I update the sheets, yes I think it is significant.

But wait! Something is wrong here. The number of reviews is not equal. BD has 31 more:

Those figures are the averages of 902 HD DVD reviews and 933 Blu-ray reviews.

dobyblue · 08-14-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

Ah, as Lee stated, you are truly a BD shill! Spread your FUD back over on BD.com or wherever you came from. You can take numbers from any place you want to make YOUR BS look good. I am telling you what I see and that is what matters, not some BS bitrate crap you conjured up from this site and that.

You poor misguided hypocrite.
Touting facts as being "FUD" unfortunately doesn't make it so.
Saying that LOTR might only be released on HD DVD, now that is FUD.

You can't take these numbers and make HD DVD look good. These are all the scored reviews from those websites. Nothing is left off, not even the 1 star review of Robocop (Blu-ray) from DVD Talk who were given a copy to review before it was pulled.

You are telling me what you see, which is anecdotal evidence and calling bitrates crap in the same sentence. How incongrous is that?

I have uploaded the spreadsheet. Please feel free to use all the numbers there and make HD DVD look good.

Super XP · 08-14-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

Hello, Mork calling Ork, come in please.

I do not see any advantages to HD DVD. I am not neutral.
I support Blu-ray only.

What are you going on about Lee? You've become discombobulated.

Then let me enlighten you on the advantages of HD DVD over Blu-Ray, and these are just a few of them.

1st Advantage = HD DVD guarantees a feature called "managed copy," which lets a computer user copy a movie to a computer hard drive so it can be beamed around the house.

2nd Advantage = The iHD software offers "greater interactivity," for example, letting a small screen with a movie director be overlaid onto the main video screen.

3rd Advantage = HD DVD manufacturing is easier than for Blu-ray's BD-ROM, and its "hybrid disk" feature will mean an owner of today's DVD player will be able to buy a dual-format disk that can be played in tomorrow's HD DVD player.

Etc.

dobyblue · 08-14-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

But wait! Something is wrong here. The number of reviews is not equal. BD has 31 more:

Those figures are the averages of 902 HD DVD reviews and 933 Blu-ray reviews.

Yes I know, that's why they are AVERAGED.
http://www.projectgcse.co.uk/maths/averages.htm

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Mean
This is also known as the arithmetic mean. It is found by dividing the sum of the set of numbers with the actual number of values.
For example: Find the mean of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10.
Sum of values: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 = 55
Number of values = 10
Mean of values = 55 / 10 = 5.5

This is Grade 9 & 10 stuff we're dealing with here.

Lee Stewart · 08-14-2007, 03:53 PM

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This is Grade 9 & 10 stuff we're dealing with here.

Exactly - a lower grade has less effect on a higher quantity.

mshulman · 08-14-2007, 03:54 PM

Why are you guys even going back and forth over this? The difference is so small, its not even worth discussing.

Show me how many of the average consumers would see any difference with identical setups (aside from players of course) and then we can talk.

You are arguing over an intangible since the people that will make either of these formats won't give a rats ass of the difference!!

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mshulman My Projector is High Def. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Marlborough, MA Age: 35 Posts: 6,572	Why are you guys even going back and forth over this? The difference is so small, its not even worth discussing. Show me how many of the average consumers would see any difference with identical setups (aside from players of course) and then we can talk. You are arguing over an intangible since the people that will make either of these formats won't give a rats ass of the difference!! __________________ Toshiba HD-A2 and HD-A3 PS3 Sanyo PLV-Z3 Canon HF-10 Onkyo 805 "I eat green berets for breakfast and I'm very hungry!"

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