What are all the differences between HD DVD and Blu Ray? Huh?

Super XP · 08-30-2007, 05:42 AM

HD DVD is superior then Blu-Ray. It's an already established format which requires very llittle firmware upgrades.

Blu-Ray is in no way a better solution. It's a complete mess, and all the drives being sold today do not have internet connectivity & interaction. HD DVD has this becuase it's mantatory, and it works quite well indeed. If you want it for Blu-Ray, then maybe it will come in 2008, but wait? You still need to go out & buy another Blu-Ray drive LOL, That's Sony making you buy 2 Blu-Ray players LOL

Congrat's Sony for your stupidity

HD DVD is much cheaper to produce, so whether you sell less of them or more of them, there is always money going into studio's pockets. Blu-Ray is opposite, studio's are losing money regardless of how many discs are being sold.

The only reason why VHS was over BetaMax was becuase of the multi-billion $$$$ porn industry. And good for them, I don't like Sony created products forced down our throats.

Super XP · 09-26-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GLOW

Basically 99% of new BD releases are NOT MPEG-2. This is just one example of how outdated this article is.

Sony is paying royalties to Microsoft from their bleeding teeth to use VC-1

BobY · 09-26-2007, 11:02 AM

I thought AVC was their preferred Codec--strictly to avoid paying MicroSoft as much as possible.

cbcdesign · 10-14-2007, 12:04 PM

What is this fixation blu ray supporters have for PCM when TrueHD is bit for bit identical to the original audio stream? You cannot improve on a lossless format just be streaming it in an uncompressed format. This is just a waste of bandwidth and is in fact a highly inefficient use of disk space.

I could send an image via email uncompressed or zip the thing up. It won't make a jot of difference to what the recipient sees but my ISP will thank me for the latter.

MikeRox · 10-14-2007, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluskiff

The video rate alone is blu 40 to hds 28. HDdvd can not change these rates and more disc space will not change them. shure a warner movie mite look the same on hddvd as it does on blu but that is probably because warner never took advantage of the blu bitrate and made them both the same.

The main reason is more that the higher bit rate for Blu Ray was chosen with MPEG2 in mind. Applied to the newer AVC and VC-1 codecs the difference is pretty much indistinguishable even if you max out on both HD DVD and Blu RAy. Unless you can provide links to somewhere that has conclusive proof that there is a huge difference?

mswoods1 · 10-14-2007, 01:22 PM

I don't think we need to be arguing with people who spell might "mite" and sure "shure."

**PFC5** · 10-14-2007, 01:41 PM

I know we shouldn't feed the trolls but...

BD was designed with that extra storage space BECAUSE it originated as a recording tech before AVC (mpeg4) or VC-1 came along. It was designed for the space/bandwidth hog MPEG2. They also wanted to avoid licensing of the HD audio codecs and opted to use the space/bandwidth hog uncompressed LPCM too.

THIS is the reason it came with the higher space/bandwidth in the spec. It NEEDED it for how they planned to do video & sound with it.

By the way, when the TL HD51 disc comes and possibly the DL HD34 they will get an automatic bandwidth increase just because the data is closer together on the 17GB per layer. It has 13.33% more density so it will pick up a 13.33% increase in bandwidth just because of this.

LazerGuided · 10-19-2007, 11:10 PM

And from what I am getting is that Blu-Ray can be expanded or upgraded while HD-DVD cannot be.

Example: Blu Ray can go above 1080p when the technology to produce it become widely available. HD DVD cannot.

rantanamo · 10-20-2007, 02:39 AM

I would think when another big jump in res(in 15 years because consumers simply won't buy another set) happens, disc based delivery will probably not even exist. Heck, NAS servers are already increasing in number. Its just inevitable.

Stew4HD · 10-20-2007, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LazerGuided

And from what I am getting is that Blu-Ray can be expanded or upgraded while HD-DVD cannot be.

Example: Blu Ray can go above 1080p when the technology to produce it become widely available. HD DVD cannot.

I'd sure like to know where you heard such a thing. For BD to do this, it would required a new player, the same goes for HD DVD. Sorry, but this sounds like someone's pipedream and BD fanboy propaganda to me.

Did you hear this in reference to the bit rate differences between the 2 formats or was it disc size?

So now we need to tell the consumer to buy a new display?

Nikopol · 10-20-2007, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LazerGuided

And from what I am getting is that Blu-Ray can be expanded or upgraded while HD-DVD cannot be.

Example: Blu Ray can go above 1080p when the technology to produce it become widely available. HD DVD cannot.

fURTHER mORE, iT sMELLS lIKE a nEW cAR aND cAN mAKE bACON iN tHE mORNING. rOXXORS1

Ok, sorry. Stick around this forum here a bit more for a little whiff of reality.

BobY · 10-20-2007, 12:01 PM

Actually, it's an easy upgrade for Blu-Ray, but a little tricky.

All you need to do is lift up the components that are sitting on top of your Blu-Ray player, slide your Blu-Ray player out, and (this is the tricky part) while continuing to hold up the other components, slide in the new player ("when the technology to produce it become widely available"), then just set the other components back down on it.

At that point, you can simply use the previous player as a doorstop or for landfill.

This is one of the reasons the PS3 is a good choice for a Blu-Ray player. Due to it's case design, you can't stack any components on top of it, so it makes the upgrade even easier.

Stew4HD · 10-20-2007, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobY

Actually, it's an easy upgrade for Blu-Ray, but a little tricky.

All you need to do is lift up the components that are sitting on top of your Blu-Ray player, slide your Blu-Ray player out, and (this is the tricky part) while continuing to hold up the other components, slide in the new player ("when the technology to produce it become widely available"), then just set the other components back down on it.

At that point, you can simply use the previous player as a doorstop or for landfill.

This is one of the reasons the PS3 is a good choice for a Blu-Ray player. Due to it's case design, you can't stack any components on top of it, so it makes the upgrade even easier.

You nailed it

crazyal · 10-20-2007, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobY

Actually, it's an easy upgrade for Blu-Ray, but a little tricky.

All you need to do is lift up the components that are sitting on top of your Blu-Ray player, slide your Blu-Ray player out, and (this is the tricky part) while continuing to hold up the other components, slide in the new player ("when the technology to produce it become widely available"), then just set the other components back down on it.

At that point, you can simply use the previous player as a doorstop or for landfill.

This is one of the reasons the PS3 is a good choice for a Blu-Ray player. Due to it's case design, you can't stack any components on top of it, so it makes the upgrade even easier.

But it wouldn't hurt too badly. After all it would have meant they got use to the idea when they replaced the HDTV.

ROD2467 · 01-17-2008, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mswoods1

Hey guys, I'm trying to compile a list of differences between HD DVD and Blu Ray for the forum. And I would like your help in correcting what I have so far. Here it is:

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I know there are probably some differences I missed too, anyone know any? I know there's something about audio mandates that I'm missing. And possibly something about HDMI profiles. Any help is appreciated.

I posted this earlier today in a different section:

Link to a guide that provides information about both HD formats to help buyers to make the right choice when it comes to HD movies.

http://www.digital-digest.com/articl...ide_page1.html

You should find all the tech information you need about the difference in the two formats in this link. I hope this helps everyone understand the two format technologies.

08-30-2007, 05:42 AM	#61
Super XP Star Trek: The Movie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto, ON. Canada Posts: 5,776	HD DVD is superior then Blu-Ray. It's an already established format which requires very llittle firmware upgrades. Blu-Ray is in no way a better solution. It's a complete mess, and all the drives being sold today do not have internet connectivity & interaction. HD DVD has this becuase it's mantatory, and it works quite well indeed. If you want it for Blu-Ray, then maybe it will come in 2008, but wait? You still need to go out & buy another Blu-Ray drive LOL, That's Sony making you buy 2 Blu-Ray players LOL Congrat's Sony for your stupidity HD DVD is much cheaper to produce, so whether you sell less of them or more of them, there is always money going into studio's pockets. Blu-Ray is opposite, studio's are losing money regardless of how many discs are being sold. The only reason why VHS was over BetaMax was becuase of the multi-billion $$$$ porn industry. And good for them, I don't like Sony created products forced down our throats. __________________ Toshiba Regza 46" HDTV (46RF350U) LCD 1080p/24p Toshiba HD-A35 / HD-A3 / XD-E500 LG GGC-H20L Super Multi / PC Drive Onkyo TX-SR605 7.1 TrueHD/DTS HD MA Precision Acoustics™ 8Ch. Hi Def Loudspeaker Series DVD's = 200 = 130 = 10

10-14-2007, 01:22 PM	#66
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10-14-2007, 01:41 PM	#67
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,379	I know we shouldn't feed the trolls but... BD was designed with that extra storage space BECAUSE it originated as a recording tech before AVC (mpeg4) or VC-1 came along. It was designed for the space/bandwidth hog MPEG2. They also wanted to avoid licensing of the HD audio codecs and opted to use the space/bandwidth hog uncompressed LPCM too. THIS is the reason it came with the higher space/bandwidth in the spec. It NEEDED it for how they planned to do video & sound with it. By the way, when the TL HD51 disc comes and possibly the DL HD34 they will get an automatic bandwidth increase just because the data is closer together on the 17GB per layer. It has 13.33% more density so it will pick up a 13.33% increase in bandwidth just because of this. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

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BobY What's all this, then?... Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,197	I thought AVC was their preferred Codec--strictly to avoid paying MicroSoft as much as possible.

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LazerGuided HD world here I am!!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 469	And from what I am getting is that Blu-Ray can be expanded or upgraded while HD-DVD cannot be. Example: Blu Ray can go above 1080p when the technology to produce it become widely available. HD DVD cannot.

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BobY What's all this, then?... Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,197	Actually, it's an easy upgrade for Blu-Ray, but a little tricky. All you need to do is lift up the components that are sitting on top of your Blu-Ray player, slide your Blu-Ray player out, and (this is the tricky part) while continuing to hold up the other components, slide in the new player ("when the technology to produce it become widely available"), then just set the other components back down on it. At that point, you can simply use the previous player as a doorstop or for landfill. This is one of the reasons the PS3 is a good choice for a Blu-Ray player. Due to it's case design, you can't stack any components on top of it, so it makes the upgrade even easier.