How many think Combo DVDs will help if priced right?

**bruceames** · 07-20-2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

I think it is a proven FACT that the "average" movie buyer DOES like the extras. Why would they be able to re-sell people the same movies they already own for the extra content in Special Editions, Ultra Editions, etc?

Studios can do this BECAUSE J6P DOES indeed like the extras. WHy else would those double/triple dipped movies sell so well, and if the studios didn't make money on them, why would they spend so much money adding them?

Most of us do not watch them often, but we are NOT the normal buying public. If we were, everyone would already have a HD player.

I kind of misworded it to imply that the extras won't be watched, but sure extras are watched by many. I tend to think that extras are actually more valuable as a selling point more than anything as they add perceived value to a title. In any case, something is working because consumers are buying them.

I don't know why oblioman thinks consumers don't want extras. Apparently anything that HD DVD can do better has no value to consumers.

**bruceames** · 07-20-2007, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

Me does not buy a disc for added content, and until the studios can show a reason to buy a disc for added content, me thinks the general public will not buy a disc for the added content or for what it can "buy" on the web.

Oh, I get it. If you don't want it, then nobody else should either.

oblioman · 07-20-2007, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

I think it is a proven FACT that the "average" movie buyer DOES like the extras. Why would they be able to re-sell people the same movies they already own for the extra content in Special Editions, Ultra Editions, etc?

Studios can do this BECAUSE J6P DOES indeed like the extras. WHy else would those double/triple dipped movies sell so well, and if the studios didn't make money on them, why would they spend so much money adding them?

Most of us do not watch them often, but we are NOT the normal buying public. If we were, everyone would already have a HD player.

What "facts" do you have to support this statement? That Amazon (or whomever) sells X amount of movies to X amount of people that have previously purchased the same movie? SHOW ME THE THREAD OR POST!!! What double/tripped movies you be talking about? Old Seinfeld clips that finally made it to DVD? Star Wars - rehashed again? ROCKY 18 or whatever number it's up to. C'mon PFC5, we been hashed about on this forum for some time but this is not like you to post without a tangible reason. Are you the ONE that's been sneaking me guinness stash??? C'mon buddy,,me be a forgiving mate.

oblioman · 07-20-2007, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bruceames

Oh, I get it. If you don't want it, then nobody else should either.

Bruce - when was the last time you purchased a disc for the "added content"?

oblioman · 07-20-2007, 01:43 AM

Me point being that we have had discs with "added' content for a few years. For the most part, its been crap. If the studio heads want to use the added content in such a way that it will make the HD experience more enjoyable, me be all for it. If the creators, directors and cinema crew can make it interesting with different plots, subplots, mini subplots, etc. it can be a selling point. For a vast majority of movies - me thinks it does more harm than good. A lot of movies are based on what an author has wrote - is Holly wood going to go back and ask the author to re-write his/her book? A ton of movies are based on historical fact. If the movie industry uses the "extra content" on historical facts - and shows diferent sequences to actual happenings - yes - this be a good thing. But it brings us back to the point digital limitations. how much can you put on a 15 gig disc without destroying the HD?

Stew4HD · 07-20-2007, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

how much can you put on a 15 gig disc without destroying the HD?

Just for the record, Blood Diamond on HD DVD is on the 30GB DL disc. If extras was not an issue, why then tdo the companies release the special editions with so many extras? The public gobble those up. The same holds true with HDD.

mshulman · 07-20-2007, 09:13 AM

For the 3 people that said combo's are a waste of time, why do you think that?

Even if YOU don't ever want to watch SD again, you have to see that there are many people that do.

**bruceames** · 07-20-2007, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

Bruce - when was the last time you purchased a disc for the "added content"?

It is something I always check out when I buy it, but lately I've been buying HD DVDs based on the movie of course. If they have a bunch of extras then it's a bonus. However, when choosing between two movies that I like the same, the one with more features will get chosen 100% of the time.

I think web-based interactive features will be awesome. For example, I'd like to be able to click on an actor to find out his/her bio, click on classic furniture to find out more about it, or other trivia without leaving the movie. What's there not to like? Just having the capability increases the rewatchability value tremendously. We buy the movie to watch more than once, right?

unotis · 07-20-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mshulman

For the 3 people that said combo's are a waste of time, why do you think that?

Even if YOU don't ever want to watch SD again, you have to see that there are many people that do.

I was wondering the same thing?

What possible reason could they have?

Anyone who wants, please explain it to me so I too can understand.

Lee Stewart · 07-20-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

Stew, have you seen the latest post's on the "extras" to be added? Made me click me heels when Graffeo said "With the added content, you can go online and purchase the clothes the actor was wearing"! Why in mother natures world would the vice head of Universal retort to something as silly as that? Me entire point about HD DVD and the "added content" is that the added or extra content will be nothing but added scenes (boring), directors comment (boring), how we made the movie (boring), how one can dissimulate and accrue different scenarios of a movie (interesting but need a book to weed through on the How-To), me whole thought on having me HD DVD or BD player is to view and enjoy HD. Simple as that. Both camps need to realize that the so-called extras mean nothing but paid advertising (you bought the disc - you paid) that the public does not want. Me might be a mole in an anthill, but never has me bought a disc for the "added features". Come to think of it, it pisses me off that they use valuable bit space for the added features and have to compress the movie (downgrade). For the HD DVD crowd, you all should be shouting at the studios to forget the added crap - and use the limited bit space that HD DVD has for higher quality of the movie itself.

I believe that thread I started about a new feature for HD DVD mentioned exactly this point.

And the announcement from Universal said that ALL new releases will have web enabled features. If you don't like them - pass on the disc - they seem to think the public wants it or else why do it?

mshulman · 07-20-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by unotis

I was wondering the same thing?

What possible reason could they have?

Anyone who wants, please explain it to me so I too can understand.

Only thing I can think of is that many blu-ray supporters only consider their needs and wants.

I support HD DVD over blu-ray because I believe it is the best solution for the majority of consumers. Cost, Backwards compatibility of Combo discs, standards (Ethernet port for updates) - That's a biggie when considering standard consumers - who's going to download an update and burn it to a cd?? When you consider that PQ and AQ are for all purposes equal, you have to look at everything else (minus studio support and hardware support since those can change).

ClashFan · 07-20-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

Bruce - when was the last time you purchased a disc for the "added content"?

I can only answer for myself. There have actually been a couple of HD DVDs that I bought partially b/c I read that there were some very cool extras on it. The old Adventures of Robin Hood was one (lots of cool extras, inc. some cartoons in HD) and Bullit (which has a couple of nice documentaries). I didn't buy ONLY for the extras, but they did put me over the edge.

I also recall reading about all the nice extras about Bruce Lee on the Enter the Dragon HD DVD. I bought that, too.

Come on! Americans love "extras" or the perception of extras...even if they are superfluous! From our cars on down. Every time I see some old man or lady driving some car with a rear spoiler or fancy wheels, I see that.

Heck, BR guys love their particular extra. Extra disc space at 50 gigs. How many BR's actually use the full 50 gigs? The remainder is "extra."

Lee Stewart · 07-20-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ClashFan

I can only answer for myself. There have actually been a couple of HD DVDs that I bought partially b/c I read that there were some very cool extras on it. The old Adventures of Robin Hood was one (lots of cool extras, inc. some cartoons in HD) and Bullit (which has a couple of nice documentaries). I didn't buy ONLY for the extras, but they did put me over the edge.

I also recall reading about all the nice extras about Bruce Lee on the Enter the Dragon HD DVD. I bought that, too.

Come on! Americans love "extras" or the perception of extras...even if they are superfluous! From our cars on down. Every time I see some old man or lady driving some car with a rear spoiler or fancy wheels, I see that.

Heck, BR guys love their particular extra. Extra disc space at 50 gigs. How many BR's actually use the full 50 gigs? The remainder is "extra."

But these new extras are not passive in nature as the extras are/were for DVD. You actually get involved in making choices or going to dedicated websites that have additional information concerning the subject matter of the film.

Some are voting polls to bring out the next "big" title on HD.

This is not a case of just reading and pressing the advance button or watching deleted footage. There may be studio sponsored forums to discuss the movie afterwards. Who knows how far this will go?

Geez - people are watching TV on their 1" cell phone displays! Look how much adding a camera to a cell phone has helped it's popularity.

**PFC5** · 07-20-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

What "facts" do you have to support this statement? That Amazon (or whomever) sells X amount of movies to X amount of people that have previously purchased the same movie? SHOW ME THE THREAD OR POST!!! What double/tripped movies you be talking about? Old Seinfeld clips that finally made it to DVD? Star Wars - rehashed again? ROCKY 18 or whatever number it's up to. C'mon PFC5, we been hashed about on this forum for some time but this is not like you to post without a tangible reason. Are you the ONE that's been sneaking me guinness stash??? C'mon buddy,,me be a forgiving mate.

You do not really need me to provide links to prove that the general public DO like extras on discs do I? I really do not want to waste an hour looking for the statistics on something that is common knowledge, AND that just makes sense to be the case. Afterall, if the majority of movie buyers do not like extras, why would the studios spend so much money creating them to put on the disc, and why would so many people buy a 2nd or even a 3rd edition of a movie because they add more extras?

You and I are not what I would consider the "average" movie buyer so what WE think is important is not necessarily what the real Average Joe likes.

I gave a link to another thread HERE about a movie coming in HD that was going to allow you to change the whole course of a movie and the ending by choosing a difference choice earlier in the movie. THAT is the kind of extras that can really go over big with the general public and most of us, with the possible exception of the movie "purists" who only want to see it as the director intended.

Sure we all want that, but wouldn't it be cool to change the movie up some after watching it 2-3 times or more the exact same way? I know that sounds very interesting to me, and I think it will go over VERY big with most people.

unotis · 07-23-2007, 12:53 PM

I was hoping we coud get some real feedback in the thread but,as usual on this forum it got off track, 3 people voted no to combo discs but gave no reason and never explained why even when asked to (maybe no actual reason, just like to be as negative as they can be?) I hope that is not the case, discuss and give reasons, everyone will benefit from it.

I'm hoping someone will actually discuss their reasons for support of the Combo and give reason why it is good for the adoption of high definition DVDs by the consumer or the opposite give their reasons to oppose the Combo DVD?

View Poll Results: If Priced right would "Combo" DVDs help the trasnsition to High Definition?
Combo DVDs will help ease the transition to High Definition video.	39	79.59%
Combo DVDs are a waste of time and shouldn't ever be offered.	4	8.16%
Single HD or Blu-ray DVDs are just fine.	6	12.24%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

07-20-2007, 09:13 AM	#67
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unotis UNOTIS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: FLORIDA Age: 54 Posts: 3,347	I was hoping we coud get some real feedback in the thread but,as usual on this forum it got off track, 3 people voted no to combo discs but gave no reason and never explained why even when asked to (maybe no actual reason, just like to be as negative as they can be?) I hope that is not the case, discuss and give reasons, everyone will benefit from it. I'm hoping someone will actually discuss their reasons for support of the Combo and give reason why it is good for the adoption of high definition DVDs by the consumer or the opposite give their reasons to oppose the Combo DVD? __________________ B&K Audio/Video Receiver 507 Harman/Kardon TC30 universal remote Martin Logan Odyssey speakers Martin Logan Center Channel speaker Velodyne DPS-12 Powered Subwoofer B&W rear speakers Toshiba XA1, XA2, A2 HD DVD players Sony PS3 40 GB Panasonic TH-42PZ700U 1080p plasma Panasonic 34" Tau CT-34WX50 widescreen HD-ready CRT Monster Power Center Motorola Dual Tuner DVR/ HDTV capable Officially PURPLE HD DVDs = 105 Blu-Ray Discs = 45 with 5 on the way Last edited by unotis; 07-23-2007 at 12:56 PM.

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07-20-2007, 01:43 AM	#65
oblioman OTIS,,me hero Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Someville TN Posts: 4,558	Me point being that we have had discs with "added' content for a few years. For the most part, its been crap. If the studio heads want to use the added content in such a way that it will make the HD experience more enjoyable, me be all for it. If the creators, directors and cinema crew can make it interesting with different plots, subplots, mini subplots, etc. it can be a selling point. For a vast majority of movies - me thinks it does more harm than good. A lot of movies are based on what an author has wrote - is Holly wood going to go back and ask the author to re-write his/her book? A ton of movies are based on historical fact. If the movie industry uses the "extra content" on historical facts - and shows diferent sequences to actual happenings - yes - this be a good thing. But it brings us back to the point digital limitations. how much can you put on a 15 gig disc without destroying the HD?