How many think Combo DVDs will help if priced right?

mschupp · 07-19-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

The SD layer does not have to be read by a red laser. The blue laser (hence blu ray) uses a shorter wavelength to decode the data on a disc. A red laser's wavelength is longer, making it unable to read the closer dip's and not's that a blue laser can pick up. A blue laser can still read the dips and not's but at the rate of a red laser. .

Correct me if I'm wrong but, standard DVD players do not have a blue laser!

The whole point of the Twin format is to allow a single disc to be playable in either a standard DVD player or an HD DVD player. If the SD layer(s) cannot be read using a red laser then Twin format has no application. I'll go further and claim that if existing SD players cannot read the SD layers on a Twin disc then it is useless.

[edit]Here's a link showing a red laser reading the SD layer and a blue laser reading the HD layers: http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...x?NewsId=17988

Farout777 · 07-19-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

LOL, I am just high on life.. and at work... saving the smoking for after hours

Maybe I am just having a flashback.. I will complete the story as a novel and you'll see at Border's on sale, 19.99 for the red cover, 29.99 for the blue cover but the same book inside.

Nice, but will the blue cover contain an index or a prelude?

MikeRox · 07-19-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mschupp

I'll go further and claim that if existing SD players cannot read the SD layers on a Twin disc then it is useless.

Existing SD DVD players can read twin discs. Freedom Vol 1 was only shipped as a Twin disc, for both the SD and HD DVD community. Shame about the price tag $40 is steep for a DVD anyway, but to have just 1 25minute episode on it? Ouch!

Stew4HD · 07-19-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Farout777

Nice, but will the blue cover contain an index or a prelude?

Only the Red cover will have the extras, the inverviews, etc. The Blue cover will not have any of that since Bluboy fans don't care and se that stuff as nonsense! The Blue cover printing press isn't capable of printing the extras anyway

unotis · 07-19-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

Only the Red cover will have the extras, the inverviews, etc. The Blue cover will not have any of that since Bluboy fans don't care and se that stuff as nonsense! The Blue cover printing press isn't capable of printing the extras anyway

I think that stuff about extras not being important is probably only here on this forum and other forums like it, it is the Blu-Ray fanboys way of ignoring a defect in the Blu-Ray DVD design.

We don't want it anyway, so there!

But, that doesn't mean J6P wouldn't want them (they seem to purchase alot of SD DVDs with them).

And why all discussion about if Combo DVDs could be played on SD DVD players, the ones that I've already purchased seem to work just fine, all the thread asks is if they were the same price as regular SD DVDs would that not help the transition of the general consumer to High Definition DVD and players?

Stew4HD · 07-19-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by unotis

I think that stuff about extras not being important is probably only here on this forum and other forums like it, it is the Blu-Ray fanboys way of ignoring a defect in the Blu-Ray DVD design.

We don't want it anyway, so there!

But, that doesn't mean J6P wouldn't want them (they seem to purchase alot of SD DVDs with them).

And why all discussion about if Combo DVDs could be played on SD DVD players, the ones that I've already purchased seem to work just fine, all the thread asks is if they were the same price as regular SD DVDs would that not help the transition of the general consumer to High Definition DVD and players?

Yep, I have seen that same thing.. their way of disguising their unhappiness over having a nerfed system.. "who cares about that stuff?"

I do know that the combos I have purchased do work on SD players. My brother uses his 360 as a DVD player a lot and borrows my discs. He hasn't had a problem with any of them.

It would be a great move on the companies ot lower the price down, it would HD DVD become more widely accepted.

mschupp · 07-19-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeRox

Existing SD DVD players can read twin discs. Freedom Vol 1 was only shipped as a Twin disc, for both the SD and HD DVD community. Shame about the price tag $40 is steep for a DVD anyway, but to have just 1 25minute episode on it? Ouch!

I wasn't sure if it was definite that the Twin disc technology was actually working in the field. Anyone know how they do on a low-end SD DVD player?

mschupp · 07-19-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by unotis

And why all discussion about if Combo DVDs could be played on SD DVD players, the ones that I've already purchased seem to work just fine, all the thread asks is if they were the same price as regular SD DVDs would that not help the transition of the general consumer to High Definition DVD and players?

We were talking about the Twin disc format (SD and HD on same side of disc) instead of the Combo disc format (SD on one side, HD on other). Then someone started tossing out wierdness so it took a while to clear things up.

**PFC5** · 07-19-2007, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mschupp

I wasn't sure if it was definite that the Twin disc technology was actually working in the field. Anyone know how they do on a low-end SD DVD player?

TWIN disc is mentioned even in the 1G HD DVD player's manual. I think they KNOW they have to get the cost down on these discs so they are refining the mfg process. HOPEFULLY, they will be able to price them to make sense and do all the good for mass adoption they are capable of.

oblioman · 07-19-2007, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mschupp

Correct me if I'm wrong but, standard DVD players do not have a blue laser!

The whole point of the Twin format is to allow a single disc to be playable in either a standard DVD player or an HD DVD player. If the SD layer(s) cannot be read using a red laser then Twin format has no application. I'll go further and claim that if existing SD players cannot read the SD layers on a Twin disc then it is useless.

[edit]Here's a link showing a red laser reading the SD layer and a blue laser reading the HD layers: http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...x?NewsId=17988

Please read your link again, and then read me post again. You will see that a blue laser will read SD as well as HD. Where a red laser will only read SD. If me op was confusing to you,,,well,,me may have been a bit sossed.

oblioman · 07-20-2007, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

Yep, I have seen that same thing.. their way of disguising their unhappiness over having a nerfed system.. "who cares about that stuff?"

I do know that the combos I have purchased do work on SD players. My brother uses his 360 as a DVD player a lot and borrows my discs. He hasn't had a problem with any of them.

It would be a great move on the companies ot lower the price down, it would HD DVD become more widely accepted.

Stew, have you seen the latest post's on the "extras" to be added? Made me click me heels when Graffeo said "With the added content, you can go online and purchase the clothes the actor was wearing"! Why in mother natures world would the vice head of Universal retort to something as silly as that? Me entire point about HD DVD and the "added content" is that the added or extra content will be nothing but added scenes (boring), directors comment (boring), how we made the movie (boring), how one can dissimulate and accrue different scenarios of a movie (interesting but need a book to weed through on the How-To), me whole thought on having me HD DVD or BD player is to view and enjoy HD. Simple as that. Both camps need to realize that the so-called extras mean nothing but paid advertising (you bought the disc - you paid) that the public does not want. Me might be a mole in an anthill, but never has me bought a disc for the "added features". Come to think of it, it pisses me off that they use valuable bit space for the added features and have to compress the movie (downgrade). For the HD DVD crowd, you all should be shouting at the studios to forget the added crap - and use the limited bit space that HD DVD has for higher quality of the movie itself.

**bruceames** · 07-20-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

Both camps need to realize that the so-called extras mean nothing but paid advertising (you bought the disc - you paid) that the public does not want. Me might be a mole in an anthill, but never has me bought a disc for the "added features". Come to think of it, it pisses me off that they use valuable bit space for the added features and have to compress the movie (downgrade). For the HD DVD crowd, you all should be shouting at the studios to forget the added crap - and use the limited bit space that HD DVD has for higher quality of the movie itself.

Geez, oblioman, you just won't stop hammering on the space issue. You say the public doesn't want extras but you know what would happen if Blu-ray abandoned BD-J? Blu-ray would be dead meat because the interactive features on HD DVD would make a java-less Blu-ray look lifeless in comparison. Just a disc with a movie on it and nothing more. J6P may not, and probably will not, watch the extras, but just knowing that one format mops the floor with the others in terms of cutting edge interactivity, would compell him to buy the more 'advanced' format.

He cares not a whit about space, but rather what a format is capable of. Better interactive features and twin format capability will get noticed because it shows the consumer something tangible and innovative.

**PFC5** · 07-20-2007, 12:49 AM

Oblioman:

I guess you missed this thread about a NEW "extras" feature coming out. Read it here:

New Warner Title Has 96 Story Lines

I think this is just the tip of the iceberg of what can be done and will add value to buying a movie. It could make watching different versions of the movie you buy more likely to be watched repeatedly. I feared the interactive extras would be mostly advertising, but the info in that link tells me that they are still in the very early stages of the interactivity that could be done.

Do you REALLY want to just dismiss it this early on and not be able to do this kind of thing EVER? I guess if you buy a player/format that is currently not capable of doing it then you WOULD find reasons to dismiss it before even knowing WHAT you are dismissing.

**PFC5** · 07-20-2007, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bruceames

Geez, oblioman, you just won't stop hammering on the space issue. You say the public doesn't want extras but you know what would happen if Blu-ray abandoned BD-J? Blu-ray would be dead meat because the interactive features on HD DVD would make a java-less Blu-ray look lifeless in comparison. Just a disc with a movie on it and nothing more. J6P may not, and probably will not, watch the extras, but just knowing that one format mops the floor with the others in terms of cutting edge interactivity, would compell him to buy the more 'advanced' format.

He cares not a whit about space, but rather what a format is capable of. Better interactive features and twin format capability will get noticed because it shows the consumer something tangible and innovative.

I think it is a proven FACT that the "average" movie buyer DOES like the extras. Why would they be able to re-sell people the same movies they already own for the extra content in Special Editions, Ultra Editions, etc?

Studios can do this BECAUSE J6P DOES indeed like the extras. WHy else would those double/triple dipped movies sell so well, and if the studios didn't make money on them, why would they spend so much money adding them?

Most of us do not watch them often, but we are NOT the normal buying public. If we were, everyone would already have a HD player.

oblioman · 07-20-2007, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

Oblioman:

I guess you missed this thread about a NEW "extras" feature coming out. Read it here:

New Warner Title Has 96 Story Lines

I think this is just the tip of the iceberg of what can be done and will add value to buying a movie. It could make watching different versions of the movie you buy more likely to be watched repeatedly. I feared the interactive extras would be mostly advertising, but the info in that link tells me that they are still in the very early stages of the interactivity that could be done.

Do you REALLY want to just dismiss it this early on and not be able to do this kind of thing EVER? I guess if you buy a player/format that is currently not capable of doing it then you WOULD find reasons to dismiss it before even knowing WHAT you are dismissing.

Me read that thread yesterday - and yes it is interesting and me responded as such. The "added" content if used in the right context could be very interesting. Very interesting from the standpoint that the slash movie used. If studio heads will use their heads and point the extra content in the same direction, it can become a selling point. But what the general public has seen out of extra or added content has been nothing but useless junk. Commercials, a shatty game, directors comment,etc. Graffeo, to use "selling actors" artifacts is certainly a turnoff. We have enough jewelry tv on the boob, without buying a disc just to have the same tossed at us. And most certainly - with HD DVD's limited disc space (same goes for BD) - use the bits for quality. Not for extra "consumerism". Me does not buy a disc for added content, and until the studios can show a reason to buy a disc for added content, me thinks the general public will not buy a disc for the added content or for what it can "buy" on the web.

View Poll Results: If Priced right would "Combo" DVDs help the trasnsition to High Definition?
Combo DVDs will help ease the transition to High Definition video.	39	79.59%
Combo DVDs are a waste of time and shouldn't ever be offered.	4	8.16%
Single HD or Blu-ray DVDs are just fine.	6	12.24%
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07-20-2007, 12:49 AM	#58
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,385	Oblioman: I guess you missed this thread about a NEW "extras" feature coming out. Read it here: New Warner Title Has 96 Story Lines I think this is just the tip of the iceberg of what can be done and will add value to buying a movie. It could make watching different versions of the movie you buy more likely to be watched repeatedly. I feared the interactive extras would be mostly advertising, but the info in that link tells me that they are still in the very early stages of the interactivity that could be done. Do you REALLY want to just dismiss it this early on and not be able to do this kind of thing EVER? I guess if you buy a player/format that is currently not capable of doing it then you WOULD find reasons to dismiss it before even knowing WHAT you are dismissing. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

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