How many think Combo DVDs will help if priced right?

macmarkus · 07-18-2007, 02:46 PM

What does J6P mean ? I've seen this acronym, (I assume) many times on this forum and haven't cracked the "code" yet, ha ha !

Thanks in advance anyone

Peace

unotis · 07-18-2007, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macmarkus

What does J6P mean ? I've seen this acronym, (I assume) many times on this forum and haven't cracked the "code" yet, ha ha !

Thanks in advance anyone

Peace

J6P = Joe Six Pack (in other words the average consumer)

You're welcome!

macmarkus · 07-18-2007, 03:15 PM

Cool !

**PFC5** · 07-18-2007, 04:23 PM

I think the TWIN disc format will do more than the combo discs will and makes it a "No-Brainer" for the consumer IF they are priced the same as new releases on SD DVD. There is no extra stamping costs on both sides, there is no question about which side to have face up (although HD DVD combos are clearly labeled unlike SD DVD flippers), and when you put the disc in it is recognized as a HD or SD player and is automatically read with nothing being done by the user.

If it was priced PROPERLY and replaced the SD only version the economies of scale would most likely wipe out almost all mfg cost differences AND make the retailers happy. Which format would the retailers push if THIS happened?

Lee Stewart · 07-18-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

I think the TWIN disc format will do more than the combo discs will and makes it a "No-Brainer" for the consumer IF they are priced the same as new releases on SD DVD. There is no extra stamping costs on both sides, there is no question about which side to have face up (although HD DVD combos are clearly labeled unlike SD DVD flippers), and when you put the disc in it is recognized as a HD or SD player and is automatically read with nothing being done by the user.

If it was priced PROPERLY and replaced the SD only version the economies of scale would most likely wipe out almost all mfg cost differences AND make the retailers happy. Which format would the retailers push if THIS happened?

But it is only 15 GB for the HD movie. That isn't going to work. I had thought the 45 GB or 51 GB would have solved the problem with 30 GB for the HD and 15 GB for the SD - but Steeb over at AVS showed me (very nicely I might add) that that doesn't work.

MikeRox · 07-18-2007, 05:02 PM

I thought they'd got a 4 layer Twin disc? that had 30gb HD DVD and 9gb SD DVD on the same thing? But it was just mass production atm that was the problem?

**PFC5** · 07-18-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

But it is only 15 GB for the HD movie. That isn't going to work. I had thought the 45 GB or 51 GB would have solved the problem with 30 GB for the HD and 15 GB for the SD - but Steeb over at AVS showed me (very nicely I might add) that that doesn't work.

They can do 3 layer (2HD & 1 SD) now, and are supposed to be able to do 4 layer (2HD & 2SD) soon.

So you and Steeb get along now. Oh, the IRONY.

Lee Stewart · 07-18-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

They can do 3 layer (2HD & 1 SD) now, and are supposed to be able to do 4 layer (2HD & 2SD) soon.

So you and Steeb get along now. Oh, the IRONY.

Ah no - we avoid each other as much as possible. He seems to stay in the audio area - where i do not post. This was the one and only time he responded to a post of mine.

Yes they can do three layers but the layers are all read by a blue laser. I had thought it was two blue and one red - this is what he corrected me on.

By the way - did you see we hot 182 active members today - wow!

mschupp · 07-18-2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Yes they can do three layers but the layers are all read by a blue laser. I had thought it was two blue and one red - this is what he corrected me on.

In order for it to be used in a standard dvd player (which is the whole point after all) the SD layer would have to be read by a red laser.

Also, I'm afraid the "almost the same price as a SD DVD" is not what the studios are looking for out of HD releases. Its much more likely that they will be willing to toss in the DVD version for "free" at the HD pricepoint than to include the HD version for "free" with a DVD sale.

oblioman · 07-19-2007, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mschupp

In order for it to be used in a standard dvd player (which is the whole point after all) the SD layer would have to be read by a red laser.

Also, I'm afraid the "almost the same price as a SD DVD" is not what the studios are looking for out of HD releases. Its much more likely that they will be willing to toss in the DVD version for "free" at the HD pricepoint than to include the HD version for "free" with a DVD sale.

The SD layer does not have to be read by a red laser. The blue laser (hence blu ray) uses a shorter wavelength to decode the data on a disc. A red laser's wavelength is longer, making it unable to read the closer dip's and not's that a blue laser can pick up. A blue laser can still read the dips and not's but at the rate of a red laser. This is how HD discs's came aboot - the mfg's (Sony) figured out a way to shorten the dips & not's and collapse them further onto a disc. Sony developed the BD system, HD DVD (Toshiba) followed the crumbs left behind and in order to avoid the big bad witch, they went to the DVD Consortium and said "Look what we found"! Well, the DVD Consortium said, "Wow, that looks great" "We'll back you"! But the HD DVD camp decided they only needed to use a bit of the BD laser, so they made a 15 gig disc, put some movies on it and marketed it. All the while, Grandma Goose (Sony) was trying to perfect what she had cooked up, in order to make a perfect batch of cookies - Aunt Toshi stole her recipes and was selling her cookies half baked. And she delivered HD DVD - half baked. The flavor is there, the smell is there, but the texture and overall growth of Grandmas cooking is not there. HD DVD is like a soiled diaper, it feels good and warmy to the one wearing it, but smells terrible otherwise.

samcan07 · 07-19-2007, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

The SD layer does not have to be read by a red laser. The blue laser (hence blu ray) uses a shorter wavelength to decode the data on a disc. A red laser's wavelength is longer, making it unable to read the closer dip's and not's that a blue laser can pick up. A blue laser can still read the dips and not's but at the rate of a red laser. This is how HD discs's came aboot - the mfg's (Sony) figured out a way to shorten the dips & not's and collapse them further onto a disc. Sony developed the BD system, HD DVD (Toshiba) followed the crumbs left behind and in order to avoid the big bad witch, they went to the DVD Consortium and said "Look what we found"! Well, the DVD Consortium said, "Wow, that looks great" "We'll back you"! But the HD DVD camp decided they only needed to use a bit of the BD laser, so they made a 15 gig disc, put some movies on it and marketed it. All the while, Grandma Goose (Sony) was trying to perfect what she had cooked up, in order to make a perfect batch of cookies - Aunt Toshi stole her recipes and was selling her cookies half baked. And she delivered HD DVD - half baked. The flavor is there, the smell is there, but the texture and overall growth of Grandmas cooking is not there. HD DVD is like a soiled diaper, it feels good and warmy to the one wearing it, but smells terrible otherwise.

Lee Stewart · 07-19-2007, 05:44 AM

I was doing some research and found this on Wiki. It is not available yet and no one knows if and when. But it seems that BRD is working on it's own version of the TWIN FORMAT disc:

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JVC has developed a three layer technology that allows putting both standard-definition DVD data and HD data on a BD/DVD combo. If successfully commercialized, this would enable the consumer to purchase a disc which could be played on current DVD players, and reveal its HD version when played on a new BD player.[4] This hybrid disc does not appear to be ready for production and no titles have been announced that would utilize this disc structure.

Stew4HD · 07-19-2007, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by oblioman

The SD layer does not have to be read by a red laser. The blue laser (hence blu ray) uses a shorter wavelength to decode the data on a disc. A red laser's wavelength is longer, making it unable to read the closer dip's and not's that a blue laser can pick up. A blue laser can still read the dips and not's but at the rate of a red laser. This is how HD discs's came aboot - the mfg's (Sony) figured out a way to shorten the dips & not's and collapse them further onto a disc. Sony developed the BD system, HD DVD (Toshiba) followed the crumbs left behind and in order to avoid the big bad witch, they went to the DVD Consortium and said "Look what we found"! Well, the DVD Consortium said, "Wow, that looks great" "We'll back you"! But the HD DVD camp decided they only needed to use a bit of the BD laser, so they made a 15 gig disc, put some movies on it and marketed it. All the while, Grandma Goose (Sony) was trying to perfect what she had cooked up, in order to make a perfect batch of cookies - Aunt Toshi stole her recipes and was selling her cookies half baked. And she delivered HD DVD - half baked. The flavor is there, the smell is there, but the texture and overall growth of Grandmas cooking is not there. HD DVD is like a soiled diaper, it feels good and warmy to the one wearing it, but smells terrible otherwise.

More FUD and FUD backers. Where is proof that, as you are eluding to, that Tosh stole Sony's idea and ran off to the DVD Forum?

You guys will stop at nothing.. but then again, HD DVD is still here and will be here. I am enjoying the shit of the the movies and not missing a thing. HD DVD looks better, sounds better and smells better.. heck, it even tastes better than BD! My wallet is happier too!

Once upon a time there was Booray Boy and his merry, blind and drunken band of followers. They were so enamored with Booray Boy that they would just nod and give a huge thumbs up to everything Booray Boy would say, especially his sidekick, SammyCanny. Booray Boy decided that he'd get the edge on his arch enemy Redbox Boy and his content band by telling the entire countryside that Booray has defeated Redbox Boy in their long, drawn out pissing match war. The village was very confused, knowing that there was no skermish, just yelling back and forth over the castle walls...

Redbox Boy just laughed at Booray Boy, turned around and mooned Booray Boy, invited him to a real fight. Booray Boy just shrunk away into the darkness, and yelled to his villagers, "See, we won, we have more people, bigger men and more mudslingers then Redbox Boy, WE WON"...

See, anyone can spin a yarn the way they want it spun. Any resemblence to real life characters were purely on purpose.

Farout777 · 07-19-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

More FUD and FUD backers. Where is proof that, as you are eluding to, that Tosh stole Sony's idea and ran off to the DVD Forum?

You guys will stop at nothing.. but then again, HD DVD is still here and will be here. I am enjoying the shit of the the movies and not missing a thing. HD DVD looks better, sounds better and smells better.. heck, it even tastes better than BD! My wallet is happier too!

Once upon a time there was Booray Boy and his merry, blind and drunken band of followers. They were so enamored with Booray Boy that they would just nod and give a huge thumbs up to everything Booray Boy would say, especially his sidekick, SammyCanny. Booray Boy decided that he'd get the edge on his arch enemy Redbox Boy and his content band by telling the entire countryside that Booray has defeated Redbox Boy in their long, drawn out pissing match war. The village was very confused, knowing that there was no skermish, just yelling back and forth over the castle walls...

Redbox Boy just laughed at Booray Boy, turned around and mooned Booray Boy, invited him to a real fight. Booray Boy just shrunk away into the darkness, and yelled to his villagers, "See, we won, we have more people, bigger men and more mudslingers then Redbox Boy, WE WON"...

See, anyone can spin a yarn the way they want it spun. Any resemblence to real life characters were purely on purpose.

LMAO
What have you been smokin' this morning, I'd like some...oh I forgot, I'm at work right now, nevermind.

Same applies to you Oblioman.

Stew4HD · 07-19-2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Farout777

LMAO
What have you been smokin' this morning, I'd like some...oh I forgot, I'm at work right now, nevermind.

Same applies to you Oblioman.

LOL, I am just high on life.. and at work... saving the smoking for after hours

Maybe I am just having a flashback.. I will complete the story as a novel and you'll see at Border's on sale, 19.99 for the red cover, 29.99 for the blue cover but the same book inside.

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Combo DVDs will help ease the transition to High Definition video.	39	79.59%
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07-18-2007, 04:23 PM	#34
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,385	I think the TWIN disc format will do more than the combo discs will and makes it a "No-Brainer" for the consumer IF they are priced the same as new releases on SD DVD. There is no extra stamping costs on both sides, there is no question about which side to have face up (although HD DVD combos are clearly labeled unlike SD DVD flippers), and when you put the disc in it is recognized as a HD or SD player and is automatically read with nothing being done by the user. If it was priced PROPERLY and replaced the SD only version the economies of scale would most likely wipe out almost all mfg cost differences AND make the retailers happy. Which format would the retailers push if THIS happened? __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

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07-18-2007, 02:46 PM	#31
macmarkus High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,146	What does J6P mean ? I've seen this acronym, (I assume) many times on this forum and haven't cracked the "code" yet, ha ha ! Thanks in advance anyone Peace

07-18-2007, 03:15 PM	#33
macmarkus High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,146	Cool !

07-18-2007, 05:02 PM	#36
MikeRox Blu Blu Skies! :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huddersfield, United Kingdom Posts: 12,417	I thought they'd got a 4 layer Twin disc? that had 30gb HD DVD and 9gb SD DVD on the same thing? But it was just mass production atm that was the problem?