How many think Combo DVDs will help if priced right?

Stew4HD · 07-17-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

And why would BRD supporters give you ANY solid info on HD DVD . . at BRD.com - you have to be kidding me right?

Kind of like all the great info we HD DVD supporters give the BD side, as well as moral support. Why? Because we care!

mshulman · 07-17-2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

And why would BRD supporters give you ANY solid info on HD DVD . . at BRD.com - you have to be kidding me right?

Exactly why I figured I'd bring it up here.

MikeRox · 07-17-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Message to Universal:

Price the HD DVD/DVD combo at the same price as a DVD and don't make a DVD of the movie.

Then add some marketing blurb to the packaging that says you are getting a free HD DVD and all you need is an HD DVD player to see this movie in up to 6X the resolution of a normal DVD - HDTV required

Then let the BRD fanboys howl and scream; "unfair" when the software sales go to 98% to 2% for HD DVD over BRD just based on 1 movie title

Thats what I've been thinking they should do for a while really. I'm sure price is probably a big factor in it, but it would certainly benefit them in the long run if they truly are wanting HD DVD to gain more appeal.

As for teh 98% - 2% thing due to just 1 title, that is depressingly so true lol.

DSNY FN · 07-17-2007, 05:50 PM

I think they are a great way to future proof the product and for many current HD users they fit a need for the HD fanatic in them along with the use for other players in homes that do not support HD. I know they get quite a bit of use in our house having 2 HD players and atleast 6 SD DVD players.

Anamorphic_DVD · 07-17-2007, 06:10 PM

Once Toshiba's 10 million HD DVD laptops sell I think you will see 2 disks in the case as you do now.... of course one is a special features...
It think it may be possible to have....
Disk one ....a THD
Disk 2.... Widescreen DVD on one side of the disk & the special features on the flip side of the disk.

Lee Stewart · 07-17-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeRox

Thats what I've been thinking they should do for a while really. I'm sure price is probably a big factor in it, but it would certainly benefit them in the long run if they truly are wanting HD DVD to gain more appeal.

As for teh 98% - 2% thing due to just 1 title, that is depressingly so true lol.

They could also do it on a limited scale - do it with 300,000 or 500,000 discs - like a promo - big movie release - first 500,000 buyes get a free HD DVD version of the movie.

mshulman · 07-17-2007, 06:45 PM

You'd think Disney would have seen the value in this.

Kids are one of Disney's biggest customers. Parents buy the movies for the kids. How many parents want to buy 2 versions. They'll be forced to buy the DVD version so the kids can watch them in the car, their room..etc.

If they had HD DVD Combo's available parents could enjoy with the kids on the big screen HDTV and kids could also enjoy in their space.

I think the problem is that studios do not have our interests in mind at all - they simple have $$$$ in mind. Its unfortunate, because they can think about $$$$ and at the same time do what will work well for consumers.

fmw · 07-17-2007, 06:55 PM

HD-DVD does have combo disks with HD-DVD on one side and regular 480 DVD on the other. I think it's a great idea. I still play my SACD's on a 15 year old regular CD player.

oblioman · 07-18-2007, 03:52 AM

Whats a combo DVD? DVD one side and DVD on the other side? We've had that for years. Is HD DVD a DVD or is it High definition? Please rephrase the poll as to not confuse the voters. Is a hanging shard really a hanging shard or not? We ended up with a lumpy president because of such.

Enough playing. How many of you have actually been, hands on, involved with the replication process? Simply put, it is not as simple as what has been portrayed as "a few tweaks to an assembly line" or "glueing 2 sides together". For a replicator to switch to HD DVD or BD the process is greatly involved. Number one, and the most difficult is in making the stamper(s). To make a dual or twin format - you must make 2 stamper(s). Dependant upon the number of runs decides how many stampers a replicator makes (stampers wear out). Secondly is the Lexan, or quality, of Lexan used to deliver a precise amount to each disc (counted by beads) which brings us to another equation - equipment. Even though current DVD replicators may tune the glass process to make an HD DVD - they still must tool up (new equipment) for proper Lexan delivery. Not to mention proper reflective measures for both side's of a dual layer disc - which must be calibrated - or in the worse case for a replicator - is more new equipment. Also to mention the screen or offset printing. A replicator makes money on printing - a dual or twin only requires the printing on the id band (that tiny writing on the inner core) - me be drunk - to be continued.

unotis · 07-18-2007, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oblioman

Whats a combo DVD? DVD one side and DVD on the other side? We've had that for years. Is HD DVD a DVD or is it High definition? Please rephrase the poll as to not confuse the voters. Is a hanging shard really a hanging shard or not? We ended up with a lumpy president because of such.

Enough playing. How many of you have actually been, hands on, involved with the replication process? Simply put, it is not as simple as what has been portrayed as "a few tweaks to an assembly line" or "glueing 2 sides together". For a replicator to switch to HD DVD or BD the process is greatly involved. Number one, and the most difficult is in making the stamper(s). To make a dual or twin format - you must make 2 stamper(s). Dependant upon the number of runs decides how many stampers a replicator makes (stampers wear out). Secondly is the Lexan, or quality, of Lexan used to deliver a precise amount to each disc (counted by beads) which brings us to another equation - equipment. Even though current DVD replicators may tune the glass process to make an HD DVD - they still must tool up (new equipment) for proper Lexan delivery. Not to mention proper reflective measures for both side's of a dual layer disc - which must be calibrated - or in the worse case for a replicator - is more new equipment. Also to mention the screen or offset printing. A replicator makes money on printing - a dual or twin only requires the printing on the id band (that tiny writing on the inner core) - me be drunk - to be continued.

It is sometimes difficult to tell when you're being humourous or not.

Just incase if you do need a clarification look at post #23, that is what type of disc is being discussed in the thread.

Jerry1808 · 07-18-2007, 11:47 AM

I think combo discs, all things being equal would definitely boost hd-dvds fortunes, but "equal" is the operative word.

If the combo discs were priced very close to std dvds then J6P might buy them, but he's not going to pay much of a premium for something he knows little about and may never even use.

Using Best Buy pricing as a comparison (yes I know you can buy titles cheaper elsewhere but it shows relative standings) most new std dvds are $19.99 while combo hd-dvds are a whopping $34.99. I have Superman Returns and Hollywoodland combos and almost didn't buy them because I felt like I was being forced into getting extras that I just didn't want.

So unless the prices on these combos come wayyyy down, they're going to be a nonstarter for the average consumer. Incidentally regular hd-dvds seem to average about $24.99 and blu-ray, $29.99.

MikeRox · 07-18-2007, 11:50 AM

I agree with Jerry, until the combo prices drop they're moot. They really need to be SD prices to have any real impact.

GLOW · 07-18-2007, 11:54 AM

Options #2 and #3 have basically the same meaning.

neal77 · 07-18-2007, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oblioman

Whats a combo DVD? DVD one side and DVD on the other side? We've had that for years. Is HD DVD a DVD or is it High definition? Please rephrase the poll as to not confuse the voters. Is a hanging shard really a hanging shard or not? We ended up with a lumpy president because of such.

Enough playing. How many of you have actually been, hands on, involved with the replication process? Simply put, it is not as simple as what has been portrayed as "a few tweaks to an assembly line" or "glueing 2 sides together". For a replicator to switch to HD DVD or BD the process is greatly involved. Number one, and the most difficult is in making the stamper(s). To make a dual or twin format - you must make 2 stamper(s). Dependant upon the number of runs decides how many stampers a replicator makes (stampers wear out). Secondly is the Lexan, or quality, of Lexan used to deliver a precise amount to each disc (counted by beads) which brings us to another equation - equipment. Even though current DVD replicators may tune the glass process to make an HD DVD - they still must tool up (new equipment) for proper Lexan delivery. Not to mention proper reflective measures for both side's of a dual layer disc - which must be calibrated - or in the worse case for a replicator - is more new equipment. Also to mention the screen or offset printing. A replicator makes money on printing - a dual or twin only requires the printing on the id band (that tiny writing on the inner core) - me be drunk - to be continued.

I hope there isn't going to be a test on this.

unotis · 07-18-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeRox

I agree with Jerry, until the combo prices drop they're moot. They really need to be SD prices to have any real impact.

That is the whole point of the Thread, if they were the same price as SD DVDs would that not help the transition to HD DVD player purchase and not cause the J6P consumer to continue to worry if his older DVD players could still be used until he purchased a HD version?

Would it not take their main reason to hesitate on the purchase of new HD DVDs out of the equation because they would still have a SD version also for the same price?

View Poll Results: If Priced right would "Combo" DVDs help the trasnsition to High Definition?
Combo DVDs will help ease the transition to High Definition video.	39	79.59%
Combo DVDs are a waste of time and shouldn't ever be offered.	4	8.16%
Single HD or Blu-ray DVDs are just fine.	6	12.24%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

07-17-2007, 05:50 PM	#19
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07-17-2007, 06:10 PM	#20
Anamorphic_DVD Anamorphic is winning! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 210	Once Toshiba's 10 million HD DVD laptops sell I think you will see 2 disks in the case as you do now.... of course one is a special features... It think it may be possible to have.... Disk one ....a THD Disk 2.... Widescreen DVD on one side of the disk & the special features on the flip side of the disk. __________________ Sony KDL40S3000 Toshiba XA2 HD DVD Sharp Aquos LC-42D62U 42 Toshiba XA2 HD DVD HD DVD 16 Enhanced DVDs 47 http://dvdinhdq.4t.com/ Learn about DVD HD upconversion (save money buying Enhanced DVD). http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/Misc/anamorphic_dvd.htm 1 format for all players = Anamorphic Cleaner & More Smooth than HD DVD & Blu Ray! The #1 selling format!

07-17-2007, 06:45 PM	#22
mshulman My Projector is High Def. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Marlborough, MA Age: 35 Posts: 6,572	You'd think Disney would have seen the value in this. Kids are one of Disney's biggest customers. Parents buy the movies for the kids. How many parents want to buy 2 versions. They'll be forced to buy the DVD version so the kids can watch them in the car, their room..etc. If they had HD DVD Combo's available parents could enjoy with the kids on the big screen HDTV and kids could also enjoy in their space. I think the problem is that studios do not have our interests in mind at all - they simple have $$$$ in mind. Its unfortunate, because they can think about $$$$ and at the same time do what will work well for consumers. __________________ Toshiba HD-A2 and HD-A3 PS3 Sanyo PLV-Z3 Canon HF-10 Onkyo 805 "I eat green berets for breakfast and I'm very hungry!"

07-18-2007, 11:47 AM	#26
Jerry1808 Home Theater Fan Join Date: May 2006 Location: seattle Posts: 831	I think combo discs, all things being equal would definitely boost hd-dvds fortunes, but "equal" is the operative word. If the combo discs were priced very close to std dvds then J6P might buy them, but he's not going to pay much of a premium for something he knows little about and may never even use. Using Best Buy pricing as a comparison (yes I know you can buy titles cheaper elsewhere but it shows relative standings) most new std dvds are $19.99 while combo hd-dvds are a whopping $34.99. I have Superman Returns and Hollywoodland combos and almost didn't buy them because I felt like I was being forced into getting extras that I just didn't want. So unless the prices on these combos come wayyyy down, they're going to be a nonstarter for the average consumer. Incidentally regular hd-dvds seem to average about $24.99 and blu-ray, $29.99. __________________ Sony Qualia 70" lcos Rotel RSX-1067 recvr Toshiba XA2 Pioneer Elite BDP-HD1 Def Tech 7002's fnt, 2002 ctr Def Tech Supercube 1 sub MK THX SS150's rear Harmony 880 (2) Monster Pwr Cntr HTS-3600 (2) Comcast 6412 pvrs (2) ___________________ Pioneer Elite Pro920hd plasma Pioneer Elite 79Avi dvd Toshiba A30 & A35 Harmony One

07-17-2007, 06:55 PM	#23
fmw High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 946	HD-DVD does have combo disks with HD-DVD on one side and regular 480 DVD on the other. I think it's a great idea. I still play my SACD's on a 15 year old regular CD player.

07-18-2007, 03:52 AM	#24
oblioman OTIS,,me hero Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Someville TN Posts: 4,558	Whats a combo DVD? DVD one side and DVD on the other side? We've had that for years. Is HD DVD a DVD or is it High definition? Please rephrase the poll as to not confuse the voters. Is a hanging shard really a hanging shard or not? We ended up with a lumpy president because of such. Enough playing. How many of you have actually been, hands on, involved with the replication process? Simply put, it is not as simple as what has been portrayed as "a few tweaks to an assembly line" or "glueing 2 sides together". For a replicator to switch to HD DVD or BD the process is greatly involved. Number one, and the most difficult is in making the stamper(s). To make a dual or twin format - you must make 2 stamper(s). Dependant upon the number of runs decides how many stampers a replicator makes (stampers wear out). Secondly is the Lexan, or quality, of Lexan used to deliver a precise amount to each disc (counted by beads) which brings us to another equation - equipment. Even though current DVD replicators may tune the glass process to make an HD DVD - they still must tool up (new equipment) for proper Lexan delivery. Not to mention proper reflective measures for both side's of a dual layer disc - which must be calibrated - or in the worse case for a replicator - is more new equipment. Also to mention the screen or offset printing. A replicator makes money on printing - a dual or twin only requires the printing on the id band (that tiny writing on the inner core) - me be drunk - to be continued.

07-18-2007, 11:50 AM	#27
MikeRox Blu Blu Skies! :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huddersfield, United Kingdom Posts: 12,416	I agree with Jerry, until the combo prices drop they're moot. They really need to be SD prices to have any real impact.

07-18-2007, 11:54 AM	#28
GLOW PUBLIC ENEMY #1 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chi 'til I die Age: 30 Posts: 7,647	Options #2 and #3 have basically the same meaning. __________________ "In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria." - Benjamin Franklin

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