HD DVD with 70% of stand alones. Can Sony win?

Buford_Pusser · 07-02-2007, 04:03 PM

All Sony wants to do is create a monopoly system. They tried it with the mini disk... they tried a different format other than MP3 for their digital Walkman that i pod blew off the map!
Their online download store just closed!
Some people don't even realize blue ray is not a DVD. It doesn't carry the DVD logo. It's a disk.
Like I said before, going against the grain of the proven system because they want to control it. If it's mini disks... HD movies... they try over and over again! I'll never buy another Sony product.
I was with Blue Ray at the start until I found out they went against DVD.

MikeRox · 07-02-2007, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buford_Pusser

All Sony wants to do is create a monopoly system. They tried it with the mini disk... they tried a different format other than MP3 for their digital Walkman that i pod blew off the map!

That format was a huge success in Japan, more popular/common than mp3 I believe. But the Japanese love everything Sony makes, inc Betamax which was the success story there, not VHS.

Lee Stewart · 07-02-2007, 04:56 PM

The next two months should prove interesting. We are now SAL versus SAL and Toshiba has the edge in both price and features.

HD DVD can gain some ground here and make that 70/30 into 80/20 - not difficult to do. Based on the Fathers Day results

The mighty PS3 is now what it always was - a game console.

Buford_Pusser · 07-02-2007, 06:00 PM

Lee when they show disk sales what are they going by Amazon's charts?
BTW does anyone have a link to that chart that showed the disk sales...I seen it here somewhere...
I was in CC and bought a HD DVD... the section seemed to selling... some titles had only one left.
The stand alone player figure is going to be the one that evalutes the buying market.

Seeing HD DVD has the stand alone lead... it is easier for a company to go HD DVD... since they make regular DVD all they need is an upgrade.

Lee Stewart · 07-02-2007, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buford_Pusser

Lee when they show disk sales what are they going by Amazon's charts?
BTW does anyone have a link to that chart that showed the disk sales...I seen it here somewhere...
I was in CC and bought a HD DVD... the section seemed to selling... some titles had only one left.
The stand alone player figure is going to be the one that evalutes the buying market.

Seeing HD DVD has the stand alone lead... it is easier for a company to go HD DVD... since they make regular DVD all they need is an upgrade.

Buford:

There are a number of charts and such. Each one pretty much says the same thing . . . . for the last 7 months - BRD is outselling HD DVD. It is not a surprise. The surprise is that it is not 90/10 but 70/30.

That's really all you should concern yourself with. Or else you will get sucked down into the vortex of "the numbers game" which changes hourly at times.

You have choosen an excellent format. You are enjoying HD movies. If you are a lover of HT equipment and the joys that it brings to the experience of watching movies - then you understand that for the last 17 years - we made it. We finally did it - HD movies being sold to the public, and for about $3500 to $4000 - you get a 50" Flat Panel HDTV, a good 5.1 surround sound system and an HD movie player. Add $15 a month = HD CBL.

There was a time - 1999 when I had HDTV and we got Jay Leno on NBC and a few CBS shows. That was it. About 3 hours a night.

Just like when color TV started and it was Sunday only with 2 hours - Wonderful World of Disney and Bonanza.

HDTV is where it's at - no question.

So enjoy your HT ( I know you have a good one

because I saw your "equipment" list

)

Support your choosen format because it will bring your hours of sheer enjoyment.

Something we all need to do, less "selling" on our choosen format - watch more HD - or more posts on HDF

Buford - I waited almost nine years from the time I saw HDTV for the first time - until the very first broadcast. And boy did I see HDTV . . .

Chicago - 1990 CES . . . "The Killer Room" - 16'x9' Stewart Screen - (2) Barco 9" industrial projectors - Wilson Audio 5.1 speaker setup Sony MUSE Laservision - over $250,000 setup.

Unbelievable - the space shuttle taking off from FL.

Buford_Pusser · 07-02-2007, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Buford_Pusser
Hey thanks...
Can you find me a link to the Amazon chart? I think it was a graph.
Also at DVD empire there has been a close in the sales gap for disks.
For a while it was 70 /30... for about the last 11 days straight it has been 56 /43.

I also think the best kept secret is the Mastered in HD anamorphic widescreens. I picked up Spiderman 2 today (used) for 8 bucks.
Just got done watching it... I was blown away by the picture quality of that movie. Hard pressed to tell any difference!
DVD is the winner!!! LOL!!!
Unlike those shitty DVDs we had years ago, they found a way to give mastered and shot in HD quality with a true 16.9 ratio to a DVD. With the up-conversion benefits of a fixed pixel display and the HD DVD up conversion through HDMI.. all this working together results amazing PQ!
It just amazes me... after trying up-conversions for years with older disks and older sets, I basically wrote it in blood that up conversions..don't up-convert! With all the BD & HD DVD hype... are people noticing what the up conversion is doing to the newer anamorphic DVDs?
Well... the way they are making them now.. I really wonder regular DVD will dominate the market forever!
I think I'm going to buy one more A2 for the Plasma.. and I'll call it a day!

Lee Stewart · 07-02-2007, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buford_Pusser

Hey thanks...
Can you find me a link to the Amazon chart? I think it was a graph.
Also at DVD empire there has been a close in the sales gap for disks.
For a while it was 70 /30... for about the last 11 days straight it has been 56 /43.

I also think the best kept secret is the Mastered in HD anamorphic widescreens. I picked up Spiderman 2 today (used) for 8 bucks.
Just got done watching it... I was blown away by the picture quality of that movie. Hard pressed to tell any difference!
DVD is the winner!!! LOL!!!
Unlike those shitty DVDs we had years ago, they found a way to give mastered and shot in HD quality with a true 16.9 ratio to a DVD. With the up-conversion benefits of a fixed pixel display and the HD DVD up conversion through HDMI.. all this working together results amazing PQ!
It just amazes me... after trying up-conversions for years with older disks and older sets, I basically wrote it in blood that up conversions..don't up-convert! With all the BD & HD DVD hype... are people noticing what the up conversion is doing to the newer anamorphic DVDs?
Well... the way they are making them now.. I really wonder regular DVD will dominate the market forever!
I think I'm going to buy one more A2 for the Plasma.. and I'll call it a day!

RED - DVD is only 10 years old. It has at least another 15 years to go if not more. VHS lasted 25 years and DVD is better than VHS. No reason a better format won't last as long . . or longer

Another A2! Good for you! The HD bug has bitten you hard Buford. No question of that.

Buford_Pusser · 07-02-2007, 09:55 PM

No one can say for sure if it's the blue laser or a red one Playing the Mastered in HD anamorphic widescreens. Is the blue playing both?
DVD is #1... will be for a long time!

Stew4HD · 07-03-2007, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buford_Pusser

No one can say for sure if it's the blue laser or a red one Playing the Mastered in HD anamorphic widescreens. Is the blue playing both?
DVD is #1... will be for a long time!

As far as I know, the A2 only has a blue laser but I could be wrong (and that never happens

)

oblioman · 07-03-2007, 06:36 AM

tis nothing but a Toshiba press release. Big deal. To top off their press release they spew web enabled content!!

How many of you want to just watch the movie in HD - good quality HD. And look at the masses, are they going to purchase a movie, or hardware, for web enabled content? Me thinks not. Read the press release again and count the times they mention "web enabled content". Is the web enabled content going to give the consumer an entire new movie? Nope. Might give you smidgets of how the movie was made (big deal, nothing new). Might give you an added scene (big deal, seen the movie) - but what it will give the providers is a chance to drive more commercials down the consumers throat. No thanks. Me has the web just where me wants it. Don't need Toshiba or Sony for that matter, for me "Web Enabled Content". Now that me done with me rant - Just what the hell IS web enabled content?

Stew4HD · 07-03-2007, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oblioman

tis nothing but a Toshiba press release. Big deal. To top off their press release they spew web enabled content!!

How many of you want to just watch the movie in HD - good quality HD. And look at the masses, are they going to purchase a movie, or hardware, for web enabled content? Me thinks not. Read the press release again and count the times they mention "web enabled content". Is the web enabled content going to give the consumer an entire new movie? Nope. Might give you smidgets of how the movie was made (big deal, nothing new). Might give you an added scene (big deal, seen the movie) - but what it will give the providers is a chance to drive more commercials down the consumers throat. No thanks. Me has the web just where me wants it. Don't need Toshiba or Sony for that matter, for me "Web Enabled Content". Now that me done with me rant - Just what the hell IS web enabled content?

Hmm... you are, of course, entitled to your opinion.. but the ability to use the web via the player is going to be a nice feature.

Maybe the fact that your BD player can't do such a thing could be cause for negativity? LOL, just pulling yer chain

MikeRox · 07-03-2007, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oblioman

Is the web enabled content going to give the consumer an entire new movie? Nope. Might give you smidgets of how the movie was made (big deal, nothing new). Might give you an added scene (big deal, seen the movie) - but what it will give the providers is a chance to drive more commercials down the consumers throat.

Oooh additional marketing opportunities? Well that's something studios would certainly like. But web enabled something the average consumer doesn't care about? Shouldn't that be applied to the entire HD formats? All the constantly highly trumpeted technical superiorities of Blu Ray alot of people seem to think will be a major factor in swaying the general public to their format, yet then deem things which can be marketed far more easily which HD DVD offers as irrelevant.

Gotta love that Blu Ray logic...

brianh · 07-03-2007, 08:11 AM

The logic I see with blu-ray people now is exactly the same kind of stuff I saw with dvd-audio fans. "It's doesn't support it?" "I DON'T WANT IT ANYWAY!!"

We all know what happened to dvd-a. Now with 3rd party developers leaving the ps3, Sony is beginning to look REAL bad.
How do you take two formats (sacd and blu-ray) and 1 machine (ps3) that are so good and powerful and turn them into the disaster and debable they have become? Sony. That's how.

MikeRox · 07-03-2007, 08:30 AM

I don't get Sony's point of view on losing 3rd parties, all the PS3 "fanboys" I know are certainly saying "3rd parties don't matter, it's about the exclusive 1st party content" just like Phil Harrison is preaching, but they all seem to be forgetting, it's that unimportant 3rd party support that set the original PS1 up for domination, likewise the PS2.

Sony have never been in this position before, and seem to be happy to adopt a Nintendo style "top quality 1st party titles will sell the format" stance. However Nintendo have been saying for the best part of a decade, that they realise lack of 3rd party support has greatly damaged both their reputation as a hardware manufacturer and the sales of their more recent home consoles and have desperately been trying to woo them back.

Sony on the otherhand are shrugging it all off as "people will buy great games", but you only need to as SEGA whether that approach works, the Dreamcast performed dismally despite the most amazing lineup of exclusive games arguably in gaming history being released in 2000-2001.

Sonys biggest struggle is yet to come, even if they have won the "initial skirmish" they are fighting a war on 2 fronts. Something none of their rivals have to worry about.

brianh · 07-03-2007, 08:41 AM

Sony is in denial right now. And the fan boys are drinking the denial kool-aid by the gallon.
3rd party developers leaving? Big deal! So what? Who cares?? lol
Blu movies don't have web based content?? What is that?? Who cares! I know those posts aren't meant to be funny, but they really are.
Ghosts of dvd-a come backto me.

07-02-2007, 04:03 PM	#31
Buford_Pusser Authentic DVD below! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 198	All Sony wants to do is create a monopoly system. They tried it with the mini disk... they tried a different format other than MP3 for their digital Walkman that i pod blew off the map! Their online download store just closed! Some people don't even realize blue ray is not a DVD. It doesn't carry the DVD logo. It's a disk. Like I said before, going against the grain of the proven system because they want to control it. If it's mini disks... HD movies... they try over and over again! I'll never buy another Sony product. I was with Blue Ray at the start until I found out they went against DVD. __________________ & IN THE END..... Anamorphic 16.9 Mastered in HD IS THE WINNER! Plays on all players! Last edited by Buford_Pusser; 07-02-2007 at 04:17 PM.

07-02-2007, 06:00 PM	#34
Buford_Pusser Authentic DVD below! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 198	Lee when they show disk sales what are they going by Amazon's charts? BTW does anyone have a link to that chart that showed the disk sales...I seen it here somewhere... I was in CC and bought a HD DVD... the section seemed to selling... some titles had only one left. The stand alone player figure is going to be the one that evalutes the buying market. Seeing HD DVD has the stand alone lead... it is easier for a company to go HD DVD... since they make regular DVD all they need is an upgrade. __________________ & IN THE END..... Anamorphic 16.9 Mastered in HD IS THE WINNER! Plays on all players!

07-02-2007, 09:26 PM	#36
Buford_Pusser Authentic DVD below! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 198	Originally Posted by Buford_Pusser Hey thanks... Can you find me a link to the Amazon chart? I think it was a graph. Also at DVD empire there has been a close in the sales gap for disks. For a while it was 70 /30... for about the last 11 days straight it has been 56 /43. I also think the best kept secret is the Mastered in HD anamorphic widescreens. I picked up Spiderman 2 today (used) for 8 bucks. Just got done watching it... I was blown away by the picture quality of that movie. Hard pressed to tell any difference! DVD is the winner!!! LOL!!! Unlike those shitty DVDs we had years ago, they found a way to give mastered and shot in HD quality with a true 16.9 ratio to a DVD. With the up-conversion benefits of a fixed pixel display and the HD DVD up conversion through HDMI.. all this working together results amazing PQ! It just amazes me... after trying up-conversions for years with older disks and older sets, I basically wrote it in blood that up conversions..don't up-convert! With all the BD & HD DVD hype... are people noticing what the up conversion is doing to the newer anamorphic DVDs? Well... the way they are making them now.. I really wonder regular DVD will dominate the market forever! I think I'm going to buy one more A2 for the Plasma.. and I'll call it a day! __________________ & IN THE END..... Anamorphic 16.9 Mastered in HD IS THE WINNER! Plays on all players! Last edited by Buford_Pusser; 07-02-2007 at 09:51 PM.

07-02-2007, 09:55 PM	#38
Buford_Pusser Authentic DVD below! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 198	No one can say for sure if it's the blue laser or a red one Playing the Mastered in HD anamorphic widescreens. Is the blue playing both? DVD is #1... will be for a long time! __________________ & IN THE END..... Anamorphic 16.9 Mastered in HD IS THE WINNER! Plays on all players!

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07-02-2007, 04:56 PM	#33
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 58 Posts: 25,193	The next two months should prove interesting. We are now SAL versus SAL and Toshiba has the edge in both price and features. HD DVD can gain some ground here and make that 70/30 into 80/20 - not difficult to do. Based on the Fathers Day results The mighty PS3 is now what it always was - a game console.

07-03-2007, 06:36 AM	#40
oblioman OTIS,,me hero Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Someville TN Posts: 4,568	tis nothing but a Toshiba press release. Big deal. To top off their press release they spew web enabled content!! How many of you want to just watch the movie in HD - good quality HD. And look at the masses, are they going to purchase a movie, or hardware, for web enabled content? Me thinks not. Read the press release again and count the times they mention "web enabled content". Is the web enabled content going to give the consumer an entire new movie? Nope. Might give you smidgets of how the movie was made (big deal, nothing new). Might give you an added scene (big deal, seen the movie) - but what it will give the providers is a chance to drive more commercials down the consumers throat. No thanks. Me has the web just where me wants it. Don't need Toshiba or Sony for that matter, for me "Web Enabled Content". Now that me done with me rant - Just what the hell IS web enabled content?

07-03-2007, 08:11 AM	#43
brianh High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,023	The logic I see with blu-ray people now is exactly the same kind of stuff I saw with dvd-audio fans. "It's doesn't support it?" "I DON'T WANT IT ANYWAY!!" We all know what happened to dvd-a. Now with 3rd party developers leaving the ps3, Sony is beginning to look REAL bad. How do you take two formats (sacd and blu-ray) and 1 machine (ps3) that are so good and powerful and turn them into the disaster and debable they have become? Sony. That's how.

07-03-2007, 08:30 AM	#44
MikeRox Blu Blu Skies! :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huddersfield, United Kingdom Posts: 12,417	I don't get Sony's point of view on losing 3rd parties, all the PS3 "fanboys" I know are certainly saying "3rd parties don't matter, it's about the exclusive 1st party content" just like Phil Harrison is preaching, but they all seem to be forgetting, it's that unimportant 3rd party support that set the original PS1 up for domination, likewise the PS2. Sony have never been in this position before, and seem to be happy to adopt a Nintendo style "top quality 1st party titles will sell the format" stance. However Nintendo have been saying for the best part of a decade, that they realise lack of 3rd party support has greatly damaged both their reputation as a hardware manufacturer and the sales of their more recent home consoles and have desperately been trying to woo them back. Sony on the otherhand are shrugging it all off as "people will buy great games", but you only need to as SEGA whether that approach works, the Dreamcast performed dismally despite the most amazing lineup of exclusive games arguably in gaming history being released in 2000-2001. Sonys biggest struggle is yet to come, even if they have won the "initial skirmish" they are fighting a war on 2 fronts. Something none of their rivals have to worry about.

07-03-2007, 08:41 AM	#45
brianh High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,023	Sony is in denial right now. And the fan boys are drinking the denial kool-aid by the gallon. 3rd party developers leaving? Big deal! So what? Who cares?? lol Blu movies don't have web based content?? What is that?? Who cares! I know those posts aren't meant to be funny, but they really are. Ghosts of dvd-a come backto me.