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Old 06-27-2007, 07:10 AM   #106
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I put him on ignore a long time ago and never have to see his comments like that any longer unless somebody quotes him like you did. That is all he has ever offered, and if you find it as worthless as I do, just do the same. If you like reading more of that, you know what to expect from him.

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Warner also got 5/5 for PQ on Casablanca which was 1942.
Furthermore all these older Warner movies other than Casablanca have been released on both formats, so they don't deflect on one more than the other. Judging by the reviews Warner's catalogue titles are getting like Road Warrior, Battle of the Bulge, Rio Bravo, The Cowboys, etc., there's not much validity to this argument.
Anyway you wanted it broken down by studio by PQ:

PQ Studio
4.17 Buena Vista
4.02 Paramount
3.98 Warner
3.91 Sony
3.84 Fox
3.80 Weinstein
3.79 Universal
3.65 Lionsgate

SQ Studio
4.37 Buena Vista
4.10 Sony
4.08 Fox
3.85 Lionsgate
3.84 Paramount
3.69 Universal
3.63 Warner
3.63 Weinstein

Warner is doing a far better job with their catalogue titles than Universal.
I appreciate this list, Doby. You're right that WB on the whole does a fantastic job with their classics. A few like The Dirty Dozen, Full Metal Jacket and Spartacus are not so good but other than that a fine job by the best in the business in restoring older movies (really they and Universal seem to have the vast majority of old movies). Coming in third place on the PQ list in spite of it is pretty impressive. I know that HTS gave Robin Hood 2.5 stars on the PQ so reviewers don't just throw mercy stars (for being old) at it unless it deserves it.

However you can't pull a rabbit out of the hat with mono soundtracks and I see WB and the bottom (with Weinstein) and I know that's because of having an older release library. Furthermore, I suspect Buena Vista and Sony's SQ are higher due to having a lot of newer movies. So it appears to be SQ that movie age noticably affects on the ratings.

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With Warner beginning to use lossless audio tracks more frequently on their new releases on both sides I think they'll start to move up the ladder as well.

I'd rather we got a lossless mono or stereo track than a lossy dolby track even on these older releases.

I also don't think Universal has the majority of older titles. If you look through the Columbia and Fox catablogues going back to the 20's they certainly have many, many titles too which they could remaster.

I think the BD game, and the studio support makes this very feasible, is to concentrate on new releases to try and win the format war whilst maintaining a decent catalogue release (Identity, Flatliners, Donnie Brasco, etc.). Personally I think Sony has played this pretty well so far. They know the PS3's lifespan will be at least 5 years and have basically sacrificed the first year of the console's life to get BD to the price points we're now seeing - like the BD-P1200 for $499!!
Now moving into fall they wil concentrate on the gaming aspect. I just heard Studio Liverpool saying that August 2008 looks like the date for the full PS3 version of WipEout HD, which along with F1 2006 are two reasons that make it very easy for me to get a PS3, nevermind the 24/176.4 SACD support and Blu-ray player.
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Also I should point out that in March Sony's PQ was 3.71, so they're the most improved on overall PQ.
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I put him on ignore a long time ago and never have to see his comments like that any longer unless somebody quotes him like you did. That is all he has ever offered, and if you find it as worthless as I do, just do the same. If you like reading more of that, you know what to expect from him.

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I also don't think Universal has the majority of older titles. If you look through the Columbia and Fox catablogues going back to the 20's they certainly have many, many titles too which they could remaster.
I was just going by my DVD collection. I have a lot of classics and most are on WB and Universal.
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Fud.
If you're on his ignore list maybe you should put him on yours so that threads don't get derailed.

His comments were not FUD, Universal's PQ has slipped quite dramatically in the last two months.
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If you're on his ignore list maybe you should put him on yours so that threads don't get derailed.

His comments were not FUD, Universal's PQ has slipped quite dramatically in the last two months.
I sure don't see proof of this. Your use of the word "dramatically" has me wondering where you are getting that from. Yes, that is FUD, pure and simple.
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I sure don't see proof of this. Your use of the word "dramatically" has me wondering where you are getting that from. Yes, that is FUD, pure and simple.
You have a point. Dramatically is a strong word. Other than reading a few below par reviews at highdefdigest, I haven't seen any 'proof' that Universal's dropping the ball significantly lately.
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Here is an interesting question:

What is causing the difference in the transfers?

Almost all DP's use both Panavision cameras and Kodak film.

If the movie was shot in the last 10 years or so, the negative should be in excellent shape.

Many of the studios use the same "transfer" house to convert the 35mm film to video.

There is a colorist who adjusts the color due to the much higher dynamic range for film versus video.

Then we have the compressionist. And this is where I believe some of the issues are popping up.

The whole thing is very complicated wioth lots of people involved (read: chance for error).

When the film elements are in good shape (the negative) it really doesn't matter how old the film is . GRAND PRIX is a perfect example of this.

I could understand if they were pushing 300 to 500 transfers a month like they do with DVD - many are really hit or miss.

But you would think with HD - the results would be 5 stars each time. And that doesn't happen.

Well cheer up - another opportunity to double - dip the movie.
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I sure don't see proof of this. Your use of the word "dramatically" has me wondering where you are getting that from. Yes, that is FUD, pure and simple.
If you'd like me to list all the titles one by one I can, but instead I'll just show you the last 30 reviews from each studio and you can make your own mind up - after all without proof both of us can just waffle on, but with it FUD is defeated by FACT.

Universal
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PQ Universal Title
4.50 The Hitcher
4.00 Eternal Sunshine
3.00 The River
3.50 Dragonheart
4.00 Breach
3.00 Bruce Almighty
3.00 Daylight
3.00 The Frighteners
3.50 Liar Liar
4.00 Breach
4.00 Born on the Fourth of July
3.50 Bruce Almighty
3.00 Meaning of Life
2.50 The 40yr Old Virgin
3.50 The Skeleton Key
3.50 Lost in Translation
2.50 Drgonheart
3.00 The Frighteners
3.00 Midnight Run
3.00 Liar Liar
3.00 Bruce Almighty
3.50 Smokey and The Bandit
3.50 Liar Liar
4.00 bruce Almighty
3.00 The Frighteners
3.50 Meaning of Life
3.50 The Skeleton Key
2.50 Midnight Run
4.00 The 40yr Old Virgin
3.00 Liar Liar
3.35 TOTALS
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PQ Weinstein Title
4.00 Scary Movie 4
4.00 The Matador
2.50 Derailed
3.50 Clerks II
4.00 Pulse
3.50 Lucky Number Slevin
4.00 Clerks II
4.00 Derailed
4.00 Lucky # Slevin
4.50 The Matador
3.00 Pulse
3.50 Scary Movie 4
4.00 Wolf Creek
3.50 Lucky # Slevin
4.00 School for Scoundrels
4.00 Feast
4.00 Feast
4.00 School for Scoundrels
3.00 School for Scoundrels
3.00 Feast
3.00 Harsh Times
4.00 Black Christmas
4.00 Black Christmas
3.50 Harsh Times
4.50 Black Christmas
2.50 Harsh Times
3.50 Black Christmas
3.50 Feast
3.50 Harsh Times
4.00 School for Scoundrels
3.67 TOTALS
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4.50 Letters from Iwo Jima
4.00 The Fountain
3.50 The Road Warrior
4.00 The Road Warrior
4.00 Dog Day Afternoon
3.50 The Road Warriors
4.50 Battle of the Bulge
5.00 Ultimate Matrix Collection
3.00 Blood Diamond
4.00 Rio Bravo
4.00 The Cowboys
4.50 Music and Lyrics
4.00 Rio Bravo
4.00 The Cowboys
4.50 Music and Lyrics
4.00 Rio Bravo
3.50 The Cowboys
3.00 Blood Diamond
4.00 Rio Bravo
3.50 The Cowboys
4.00 The Road Warrior
4.50 Battle of the Bulge
3.00 Letters from Iwo Jima
4.00 Rio Bravo
3.00 Blood Diamond
4.00 The Fountain
4.50 Complete Matrix Trilogy
3.50 Rio Bravo
4.00 The Cowboys
4.00 Battle of the Bulge
3.92 TOTALS
Paramount
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5.00 Flags of our Fathers
3.00 Norbit
4.50 Dreamgirls
4.00 Failure to Launch
4.50 Payback
4.50 Payback
4.50 Dreamgirls
4.00 Failure to Launch
4.00 Norbit
5.00 Dreamgirls
4.00 Failure to Launch
5.00 Mission Impossible
5.00 Mission Impossible 2
5.00 Flags of our Fathers
4.00 Freedom Fighters
4.50 Trading Places
4.50 Coming to America
4.00 Trading Places
3.00 Coming to America
4.50 The Warriors
3.50 Coming to America
4.50 The Warriors
3.50 The River
3.50 Mission Impossible
4.00 Freedom Writers
3.00 Coming to America
4.00 Trading Places
4.50 Freedom Writers
4.50 Flags of our Fathers
4.00 Norbit
4.18 TOTALS
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PQ Fox Title
4.00 X3
4.00 The Omen
3.50 Speed
5.00 Devil Wears Prada
4.00 Rising Sun
5.00 Transporter 2
4.00 AVP
4.50 Men of Honor
3.00 Courage Under Fire
3.50 The Marine
3.00 Broken Arrow
3.50 Chain Reaction
4.00 Chain Reaction
4.00 Entrapment
3.50 The Sentinel
4.00 Behind Enemy Lines
3.50 Hoosiers
3.50 The Sentinel
3.00 Hoosiers
4.00 Eragon
4.50 Eragon
2.50 Hoosiers
4.00 Eragon
4.00 Flight of the Phoenix
4.00 Night at the Museum
4.00 Night at the Museum
4.00 Night at the Museum
4.50 Eragon
3.50 Night at the Museum
4.50 Night at the Museum
3.87 TOTALS
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3.50 Donnie Brasco
4.00 Blood & Chocolate
4.00 Volver
4.50 Donnie Brasco
4.50 Cruel Intentions
4.50 Stomp the Yard
4.00 Blood & Chocolate
5.00 Donnie Brasco
5.00 Closer
4.00 The Messengers
4.50 Hellboy
4.00 Rescue Me Season 3
3.00 Bruce Springsteen
4.50 Ghost Rider
4.00 Seven Years in Tibet
2.00 Bruce Springsteen
4.50 Curse of the Golden Flower
4.50 Hellboy
4.50 Rescue Me Season 3
4.50 Incubus
5.00 Ghost Rider
4.00 Rescue Me Season 3
4.00 The Messengers
4.00 Hellboy
4.00 Curse of the Golden Flower
4.00 Seven Years in Tibet
3.50 Cruel Intentions
4.00 Rescue Me Season 3
5.00 Hellboy
5.00 Seven Years in Tibet
4.18 TOTALS
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4.50 The Descent
4.00 Saw II
4.00 Saw III
3.50 American Psycho
3.00 Young Guns
3.00 American Psycho
4.00 First Blood
4.50 The Descent
2.50 Young Guns
2.50 Crash
3.00 Employee of the Month
3.00 Total Recall
4.00 Stargate
3.50 The Devil's Rejects
4.00 Stir of Echoes
2.50 Reservoir Dogs
4.00 Terminator 2
4.00 Saw II
3.50 Saw
3.00 Ultimate Avengers
4.50 Happily N'Ever After
3.00 Dirty Dancing
4.00 Basic Instinct
3.50 Weeds Season 1
3.00 Ultimate Avengers Collection
4.50 Happily N'Ever After
3.00 Ultimate Avengers Collection
3.50 Weeds Season 1
2.50 Basic Instict
5.00 Happily N'Ever After
3.55 TOTALS
Disney
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PQ Buena Vista Title
3.00 GI Jane
4.50 King Arthur
4.00 The Queen
5.00 déjà vu
3.00 GI Jane
2.00 King Arthur
4.00 GI Jane
5.00 POTC Curse Black Pearl
5.00 POTC Dead Man's Chest
5.00 Apocalypto
4.00 The Queen
5.00 POTC Dead Man's Chest
5.00 POTC Curse Black Pearl
4.00 Apocalypto
3.00 King Arthur
3.50 GI Jane
4.00 déjà vu
4.00 The Queen
5.00 POTC Dead Man's Chest
5.00 POTC Curse Black Pearl
4.50 Apocalypto
5.00 POTC Dead Man's Chest
5.00 POTC Curse Black Pearl
5.00 Apocalypto
4.50 déjà vu
4.00 The Queen
5.00 POTC Dead Man's Chest
4.00 Bridge to Terabithia
4.50 Primevel
5.00 Primeval
4.32 TOTALS
So to wrap up and bust the FUD and show what dramatically really means:

PICTURE QUALITY

PQ Studio
4.32 Buena Vista
4.18 Sony
4.18 Paramount
3.92 Warner
3.87 Fox
3.67 Weinstein
3.55 Lionsgate
3.35 Universal

And just in case anyone is wondering, the Sound Quality is as follows.

SQ Studio
4.50 Buena Vista
4.18 Sony
3.82 Fox
3.73 Lionsgate
3.68 Warner
3.63 Weinstein
3.55 Paramount
3.53 Universal

Universal, over the last 30 scored reviews from High Def Digest, Upcoming Discs, DVD Talk, Home Theater Spot and Home Theater Forum, have average a whole star less than Buena Vista when it comes to PQ.

Why? I don't know. Is it attention to detail? If it was VC-1 then why isn't Warner lower? If it was the age of the movies...again...why isn't Warner lower? Look at how many reviews of their OLD movies from the 60's are in those last 30 reviews.

No I'd stand by my statement, Universal's PQ is pretty poor right now and has slipped dramatically.

Here's the FIRST 30 Universal reviews from those sites.

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4.00 Apollo 13
4.00 Doom
3.50 Assault on Precinct 13
3.50 Cinderella Man
4.00 Bourne Supremacy
3.00 Bone Collector
4.00 Red Dragon
4.50 Backdraft
4.50 F&F Tokyo
4.50 Dazed & Confused
4.00 End of Days
4.50 2 Fast 2 Furious
3.50 Fast Times
2.50 Army of
4.00 Waist Deep
3.00 The Break-Up
4.50 The Thing
4.00 Slither
3.50 Interpreter
3.00 12 Monkeys
4.50 Out of Sight
2.50 Spartacus
5.00 King Kong
4.00 Waterworld
4.00 Dupree
3.50 American Werewolf
4.50 Superman Returns
4.00 The Mummy
4.00 How the Grinch Stole Christmas
3.50 Miami Vice
3.85 TOTALS
First 30 - 3.85
Last 30 - 3.35

You tell me which average you'd rather have your discs getting.

NO FUD HERE.

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If you'd like me to list all the titles one by one I can, but instead I'll just show you the last 30 reviews from each studio and you can make your own mind up - after all without proof both of us can just waffle on, but with it FUD is defeated by FACT.

Universal


Weinstein


Warner


Paramount


Fox


Sony


Lions Gate


Disney


So to wrap up and bust the FUD and show what dramatically really means:

PICTURE QUALITY

PQ Studio
4.32 Buena Vista
4.18 Sony
4.18 Paramount
3.92 Warner
3.87 Fox
3.67 Weinstein
3.55 Lionsgate
3.35 Universal

And just in case anyone is wondering, the Sound Quality is as follows.

SQ Studio
4.50 Buena Vista
4.18 Sony
3.82 Fox
3.73 Lionsgate
3.68 Warner
3.63 Weinstein
3.55 Paramount
3.53 Universal

Universal, over the last 30 scored reviews from High Def Digest, Upcoming Discs, DVD Talk, Home Theater Spot and Home Theater Forum, have average a whole star less than Buena Vista when it comes to PQ.

Why? I don't know. Is it attention to detail? If it was VC-1 then why isn't Warner lower? If it was the age of the movies...again...why isn't Warner lower? Look at how many reviews of their OLD movies from the 60's are in those last 30 reviews.

No I'd stand by my statement, Universal's PQ is pretty poor right now and has slipped dramatically.

Here's the FIRST 30 Universal reviews from those sites.



First 30 - 3.85
Last 30 - 3.35

You tell me which average you'd rather have your discs getting.

NO FUD HERE.
LOL, you went to a lot of trouble for what? Whose reviews/ratings are these? You can pull out all the quotes you want to and I am sure you can find a review that states things differently. MY EYES and those of others on here do not see what you and your source do.

It's kinda of funny that Sony has the best ratings according to you source...

Anyhow, I only objected to your use of "dramatically" and I still object to that as it is overly harsh with no REAL proof. I buy HD DVDs regularily and many from Uni... I don't see this dramatic loss in PQ.
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If you'd like me to list all the titles one by one I can, but instead I'll just show you the last 30 reviews from each studio and you can make your own mind up - after all without proof both of us can just waffle on, but with it FUD is defeated by FACT.

Universal


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Warner


Paramount


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Lions Gate


Disney


So to wrap up and bust the FUD and show what dramatically really means:

PICTURE QUALITY

PQ Studio
4.32 Buena Vista
4.18 Sony
4.18 Paramount
3.92 Warner
3.87 Fox
3.67 Weinstein
3.55 Lionsgate
3.35 Universal

And just in case anyone is wondering, the Sound Quality is as follows.

SQ Studio
4.50 Buena Vista
4.18 Sony
3.82 Fox
3.73 Lionsgate
3.68 Warner
3.63 Weinstein
3.55 Paramount
3.53 Universal

Universal, over the last 30 scored reviews from High Def Digest, Upcoming Discs, DVD Talk, Home Theater Spot and Home Theater Forum, have average a whole star less than Buena Vista when it comes to PQ.

Why? I don't know. Is it attention to detail? If it was VC-1 then why isn't Warner lower? If it was the age of the movies...again...why isn't Warner lower? Look at how many reviews of their OLD movies from the 60's are in those last 30 reviews.

No I'd stand by my statement, Universal's PQ is pretty poor right now and has slipped dramatically.

Here's the FIRST 30 Universal reviews from those sites.



First 30 - 3.85
Last 30 - 3.35

You tell me which average you'd rather have your discs getting.

NO FUD HERE.
You must stop overpowering FUD with facts, you are going to give people nightmares
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Actually, there's a few inconsistencies in those two before-after Universal lists. For one thing in the after list there's many multiple reviews of the same movies, while in the early movies they are all unique. Apples to oranges. Additionally Superman Returns, a WB movie, is in the early Universal list, which might cause some to raise accuracy concerns.

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Oh tell me boby since I don't know where to show.. Please tell me.

My post of course has nothing to do with the miniscule differences in manufacturing costs but the prices they are sold to consumers like myself, so again please tell me where to shop and I'll tell you if I don't know about it

A member of avs has taken data from five major review sites and blu-ray comes ahead in PQ and SQ on average. Yup that includes 5th Element and Robocop. So yeah that is blu-ray's fault I guess
Have you tried Amazon, where the majority of HD DVD's are cheaper than the majority of Blu-Ray discs?

Of course you realize you can't lump in multi-disc sets into your "on average" unless you're going to average the price of the set across the number of discs--it appears HD DVD currently has nearly twice as many multi-disc sets (which obviously carry a higher price) as Blu-Ray. This will erroneously skew the data unless you take the actual price-per-disc into consideration instead of just including the total price as a single sale.

The differences in production costs of the two formats aren't as minuscule as you think, which is why Sony has to subsidize Blu-Ray disc production (studios care about tens of cents per disc as it costs them a lot of money in the volumes they want to achieve). If you're taking your data from the Wesley-Tech article, I've already addressed the inaccurate assumptions there, but even then he concludes BD DL is the most expensive format of all current optical disc formats.

Now we're talking about *average* PQ/AQ as the critical factor?

Both formats are capable of excellent picture quality and sound quality. Whether the studios do a great transfer (or not) on average has no bearing on the quality of the format. If, over the long term, the studios do a consistently *bad* job in one format, it will certainly hurt that format, but there's no reason to suspect that will happen. People buy movies, not PQ. There are plenty of great and poor transfers in both camps, with the early Blu-Ray discs being the acknowledged worst.
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