HD DVD Supporters... What's the battle plan / how does HD DVD win?

MikeRox · 06-11-2007, 12:20 PM

Yes I did, I bought the original Xbox for $600 (UK launch RRP) and paid $90 for Halo 1 purely for that game. The single player in Halo 1 was okay for 1 play through, but the poor repetetive level design shone through after that.

Halo 2, the single player was an utter mess, and the net code left alot to be desired, mainly the lag masking technique they used meaning you'd feel like you'd been pumping clip after clip into someone, they'd turn around and kill you in seemingly 5 shots. It's been sorted out big style on Halo 3 making the online multiplayer immensely more enjoyable. Obviously, this is probably more restricted to countries with appauling broadband services like the UK

HD VHS · 06-12-2007, 12:42 AM

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Simple - HD DVD "wins" be merely remaining a competitive, viable alternative to Blu-ray.

The Blu-ray battle plan was always to dominate and eliminate. Then the BDA CE companies would enjoy a hefty premium on their players while the consumer gradually adopts to high def optical discs. The BDA studios would enjoy a heft 30% premium on their HD discs.

HD DVD has already shattered that plan, forcing BDA CE companies to slash prices by half on their 2nd gen players. Do you think they would have done that if HD DVD had gone away?

Fox was trying to get $40 MSRP for their BD releases. Meanwhile, I can buy Warner HD releases directly from them for under $16.

As long as HD DVD can maintain a 35-40% market share, it ain't going away and more & more studios will be envying Warner's huge lead in HD disc sales, releasing on both formats. When all studios eventually release on both formats, consumers will be free the chose a player that meets their budget & needs and buy the HD disc format it plays.

Ah! Too confusing for the consumer? I don't see folks in the game software section of BB buying a Wii game and trying to play it on their xBox. Nor do I see folks trying to buy a DirecTV DVR to record programs from their Dish Network service

Cochise Guy that was an awesome retort, it will really come down to the name HD DVD, and the price.

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You misunderstand my point, (the PS3 is the only next gen console I don't own btw) by lead format, I mean it is being developed around the PS3 hardware, and then "ported" to the Xbox 360. Haze and Pro Evolution Soccer 7/Winning Eleven Eleven are 2 big ones, but there are also games like Metal Gear Solid 4 etc as well. It has nothing to do with actual number of sales at market and like it or not, for some reason (I don't know, I'd rather it was the 360 personally) in most cases the PS3 is the "lead" development format. I'm guessing they're predicting a surge in sales in 2008 and/or didn't expect the console to bomb so badly early in it's life.

The PSOne outsold the PS2 at this stage in it's life too, so it's certainly not without precedant. The only difference this time really for Sony from last gen, is that there is actually some proper competition to contend with. Believe me, I'm far from a PS3 fanboy, I'm just looking at it objectively. "PlayStation" is still a household brand name. PlayStation 3 is still the console most casual PS2 owners will move onto without even really thinking about it once the PS2 releases dry up and the price has dropped.

As insignificant as lead format for big name multi format titles might sound, the only exibit I really need to demonstrate the impact it can have, is Metal Gear Solid 2. The Xbox version was technically inferior to the vastly lesser powered PlayStation 2 version. If as in this case, the lead format is actually a more powerful format than the port is going to it'll lead to a noticibly inferior Xbox 360 version, regardless of what the console is actually capable of.

This is the reason so many Dreamcast games ported to PS2 were worse than the Dreamcast original visually, I don't think anyone will deny that the Dreamcast is a less powerful console than the PS2 now. I'm rambling a bit now, but yeah, the Xbox 360's exclusives like Gears of War and Halo 3, mean absolutely nothing against titles such as Winning Eleven. It sounds daft, as they're definitely great titles (I don't like Halo 1 or 2, but the Halo 3 beta was amazing!) but in the grand scheme of things, they aren't the system selling titles to the mass market, that alot of gamers would like to believe. I think 100 million + PlayStation 2 consoles vs 22 million Gamecubes and 24 million Xbox's speaks volumes, as personally I think the Gamecube had by far the best lineup last generation.

Hey Mike, cool post, was just going to say though power isn't everything it's what you can actually can get out of a console, the Dreamcast was less powerful then a PS2 but it actually produced better looking games [See DOA2], because it was easy to program for. Same applies with the 360, although they are both around the same power, the 360 will most of the time produce better graphics then the PS3. because the PS3 is extremely hard to develop for, hence the lack of games.

MikeRox · 06-12-2007, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HD VHS

Hey Mike, cool post, was just going to say though power isn't everything it's what you can actually can get out of a console, the Dreamcast was less powerful then a PS2 but it actually produced better looking games [See DOA2], because it was easy to program for. Same applies with the 360, although they are both around the same power, the 360 will most of the time produce better graphics then the PS3. because the PS3 is extremely hard to develop for, hence the lack of games.

The PS3 is also infinitely more powerful once (if) developers learn the tricks. The Dreamcast wouldn't have stood a cat in hells chance of pushing games such as Burnout 3/Revenge let alone knocking them out at 60fps. Likewise for games such as Gran Turimso 3/4 etc. Once PS2 developers found their feet and started to exploit the power inside the um... "Emotion Engine" man I still can't believe they called it that. It really did come up trumps.

Gutted myself mind, I'm one of the biggest Dreamcast fanboys in the world. Even went as far as buying every single game that got a European release (and have many of the US/Japanese exclusives too). But in things like this it's pointless letting sentiment get in the way. Which is why I won't be overly gutted if HD DVD vanishes, it'd be nice for it to win, but not the end of the world if it doesn't.

HD VHS · 06-12-2007, 09:31 AM

That's true, but I just want a format to hurry up and win already, but I really want HD DVD hopefully will win, Toshiba are really getting their act together, which is good, yeah the Dreamcast did rock, I will never forget seeing that killer whale leaping over Sonics head, man that game rocked. Oh and it will be awile before they properly learn how to develop for PS3, by the time it happens, there will Halo 3 and hopefully Gears of War 2

Colt45 · 06-12-2007, 12:50 PM

"HD DVD Supporters... What's the battle plan / how does HD DVD win? "

Sony to commit suicide
HD-DVD to give away free HD-DVD players + 14 free HD-DVD movies (we are almost there!)
Bill Gates to buy Sony and decide to go for HD-DVD instead of VOD

MikeRox · 06-12-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HD VHS

Toshiba are really getting their act together, which is good,

I wish I could say the same for this. What makes you say this? Over here they seem to be leaving the format to die. Universal are being just as bad. Hot Fuzz was released on DVD here yesterday... HD DVD version? There hasn't even been one announced, let alone due anytime soon. So a guaranteed sale they would have had, has gone down the swanny in favour of an American sale.

Why oh why? It's the biggest name film atm, our Supermarkets have slashed the price of the RRPs on it for fathers day, with the film advertised in very prominant sections of anywhere selling DVDs, would have been a very very good marketing ploy to get HD DVD mentioned too. But do they do it? Do they chuff. You'd think they want the format to die over here.

**bruceames** · 06-12-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt45

"HD DVD Supporters... What's the battle plan / how does HD DVD win? "

Sony to commit suicide
HD-DVD to give away free HD-DVD players + 14 free HD-DVD movies (we are almost there!)
Bill Gates to buy Sony and decide to go for HD-DVD instead of VOD

Not very good odds you imply.

Lee Stewart · 06-12-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceames

Not very good odds you imply.

HD DVD can't win because Sony will not accept a lose situation. Too much invested across all of their CE and Pro lines.

HD DVD can stay in the game and exist and even propser, but win?

Not going to happen - unless Sony goes out of business altogether. And they will spend their very last dollar trying to make BD a success.

Colt45 · 06-12-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceames

Not very good odds you imply.

I was just having some fun

Lee Stewart · 06-12-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt45

I was just having some fun

And in your humor lies the truth because short of one of your examples happening, BD is here to stay.

**bruceames** · 06-12-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt45

I was just having some fun

I know, I like your lighthearted attitude. We need more of that around here.

Badlander 73 · 06-12-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceames

I know, I like your lighthearted attitude. We need more of that around here.

Everything hd-dvd needs to go away and go away soon. Its not going to get far and its getting little support from studios... At this point in the high def battle even vhs looks better than hd-dvd!

HD VHS · 06-12-2007, 06:57 PM

It makes me say that becuase here in Aus they are pumping out the titles weekly, blu ray can't lose? lol PLEASE, blu ray can easily lose, if hd dvd start thrashing it on a weekly basis they will but to lose...

Badlander 73 · 06-12-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HD VHS

It makes me say that becuase here in Aus they are pumping out the titles weekly, blu ray can't lose? lol PLEASE, blu ray can easily lose, if hd dvd start thrashing it on a weekly basis they will but to lose...

Get a life kook, quit your lame collection of (4) hd-dvd titles since all its good for is a dust pan!

**bruceames** · 06-12-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Badlander 73

Get a life kook, quit your lame collection of (4) hd-dvd titles since all its good for is a dust pan!

You need to stop trolling, Badlander. It's not going to be tolerated here.

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06-11-2007, 12:20 PM	#16
MikeRox Blu Blu Skies! :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huddersfield, United Kingdom Posts: 13,463	Yes I did, I bought the original Xbox for $600 (UK launch RRP) and paid $90 for Halo 1 purely for that game. The single player in Halo 1 was okay for 1 play through, but the poor repetetive level design shone through after that. Halo 2, the single player was an utter mess, and the net code left alot to be desired, mainly the lag masking technique they used meaning you'd feel like you'd been pumping clip after clip into someone, they'd turn around and kill you in seemingly 5 shots. It's been sorted out big style on Halo 3 making the online multiplayer immensely more enjoyable. Obviously, this is probably more restricted to countries with appauling broadband services like the UK

06-12-2007, 09:31 AM	#19
HD VHS High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 987	That's true, but I just want a format to hurry up and win already, but I really want HD DVD hopefully will win, Toshiba are really getting their act together, which is good, yeah the Dreamcast did rock, I will never forget seeing that killer whale leaping over Sonics head, man that game rocked. Oh and it will be awile before they properly learn how to develop for PS3, by the time it happens, there will Halo 3 and hopefully Gears of War 2

06-12-2007, 12:50 PM	#20
Colt45 PS3+360 =:D Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	"HD DVD Supporters... What's the battle plan / how does HD DVD win? " Sony to commit suicide HD-DVD to give away free HD-DVD players + 14 free HD-DVD movies (we are almost there!) Bill Gates to buy Sony and decide to go for HD-DVD instead of VOD

06-12-2007, 06:57 PM	#28
HD VHS High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 987	It makes me say that becuase here in Aus they are pumping out the titles weekly, blu ray can't lose? lol PLEASE, blu ray can easily lose, if hd dvd start thrashing it on a weekly basis they will but to lose...