Why I think HD DVD will win, and why Bluray sucks.

HD VHS · 06-09-2007, 03:57 AM

k, this is my first post, I know I should not be getting cocky on my first post but I have been doing countless reading on who is winning, who thinks they are going to win etc.

First things first, I love my DVD collection, so when I want to really grow my HD DVD collection I wanna see the names DVD and HD DVD in my collection, not the name Blu Ray, maybe that was a silly reason to pick HD DVD...

My next reason, the video quality on HD DVD is far superior to Blu Ray. When I saw MI3 running in 1080p on a sony bravia, I asked the salesman, why are there maggots crawling on Tom Cruises face? He simply said thats just the video transfer of alot of Blur ray movies. He then put in MI3 in on the same screen running at 1080p and 720p and I was shocked to see that the HD DVD versions looked better running both on 1080 and 720.

Now what all these Blu Ray fan boys forget to realize about this crappy format (yes I will admit I am a fanboy of hd dvd but for good reason) is that Blu ray thinks they are coming out strong with all these titles and all these companies backing them, but they dont realize the MASS market hasnt even been close to switching over to HD. So when a rich man with his big PLASMA (not the superior LCD) walks in a says I wanna go HD, the salesman is going to sell him Bluray becuase thats what most retail stores are stocking. Because I know here in Australia HD DVD is destroying bluray. EB games has now shoved there bluray movies into the bottom corner of the store becuase they are not selling becuase, surprise surprise, the PS3 is not selling. Well done Sony, you are relying on the PS3 for blu ray to win, not very good considering the PS3 sucks.

So WHEN mummies and daddies walk into a store, and good old grandpa and grandma and they wanna upgrade to HD (in a few more years time) they are going to walk in and see, HD DVD, and BluRay, now by that time, Toshiba will actually have come into the market properly and use their big guns when the MASS market is ready to join in the HD experience. They are going to see the 3 little letter D V D.
Hopefully by then salespeople will have jumped off the sony penis and sell what actually better quality, not what nerds love becuase it holds more Gigabytes (buy a hardrive)

It is just weird how a reputable site like Digital Bits is siding with Blur Ray?

Now I heard there are rumours (dont know if they are true), that fox might be going to HD DVD or being neutral, if this happens, then the war will truly be over, if not by the PS3 failing, which judging by the figures, it will. Oh and who cares about Japan that Bluray is winning, we all know Sony owns Japan, focus on the rest of Asia where hd dvd is winning.

Cheers.

**PFC5** · 06-09-2007, 04:17 AM

Welcome to the forum, and I bet the BD fans give you a very warm welcome as well.

HD VHS · 06-09-2007, 04:23 AM

Like I said, shouldn't haven't gotten so cocky, but I love hd dvd...

thanks for the welcome bud

PenGun · 06-09-2007, 05:17 AM

There is a forum just for you about 5 up from here. That's where the moronic wars over Blu Ray vs HD DVD are fought on this forum.

EDIT: I have moved this thread, so don't flame this poster. rbinck

HD VHS · 06-09-2007, 06:32 AM

Hahaha...

whats it called?

Chris Gerhard · 06-09-2007, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HD VHS

Hahaha...

whats it called?

You are obviously confused. I have both formats and can guarantee that HD DVD is not better and anybody that is informed has to know that fact. There are no issues that require Blu-ray transfers to be inferior. Read this carefully, it is absolutely factual:

Given the same source, same codec, same bitrate and same care, the two formats will have identical video quality. That is the truth and there is nobody with any knowledge of the issue that will disagree.

Read this carefully, this is absolutely factual:

Blu-ray specifications allow a much higher bitrate and the discs have the capacity needed to permit using a higher bitrate when it is needed. Given the same source, same codec, same care and using the Blu-ray maximum allowed bitrate compared to the HD DVD maximum allowed bitrate, the Blu-ray disc will provide better quality video.

You can prefer HD DVD for various reasons, lower price is the one valid reason I see. You might prefer the selection on HD DVD since it is different although HD DVD can not have any titles from Fox, Disney, Sony, Columbia Tristar, MGM, and LionsGate. Blu-ray doesn't have any Universal titles and those might be your favorite.

If you really believe there is a reason the studios are going to release Blu-ray titles with inferior quality for some arbitrary reason or for some deliberate reason, you are again entitled to your opinion, but that is all it can be. It has already been shown that the Blu-ray releases can and will be the same when everything is identical and the players can and will provide identical playback. Objective test data for players tested so far has found the Sony Blu-ray BD-PS1 player has aced all tests and offers perfect decoding of data on a Blu-ray disc and passes that to a display over HDMI for playback. I have not seen any HD DVD player tested that has done as well. Rely on objective data before subjective opinions, even your own, and you will be better off is my advice.

Chris

LordGamer · 06-09-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by HD VHS

Because I know here in Australia HD DVD is destroying bluray.

This is the only part I will really comment on for now, since Chris has done a wonderful job already.

Granted, my information is based on the February - March timeframe, but Blu-ray has performed (sales wise) better than HD DVD in Australia.

In truth, Blu-ray out sells HD DVD globally. I'm not saying dramatically, but I've yet to see any recent report stating differently. Europe favored HD DVD in the beginning, but that changed with the release of PS3 (along with a bigger launch of Blu-ray in general).

This is what I loathe about "fanboys." This is a place for debates...open discussions. And I'm all for a good showdown. However, please don't ignore the simple truths. Saying, "...HD DVD is destroying bluray." in any regard takes away your credibility.

Lee Stewart · 06-09-2007, 09:36 AM

Better . . . . Better how?

From a technical standpoint I will concide to BD. Unfortunately that is not what this war is all about. It is about mass appeal and due to the following, HD DVD does have the edge:

1. Name
2. Finished platform
3. Price

The public knows nothing of bit rates or storage capacity. It knows price and it will recogonize the name HD DVD right off the bat. They have/had DVD and a TV - now they can get HD DVD and an HDTV. Do not discount this.

How many times have you walked into a Walgreens and asked for "cotton swabs" as opposed to "Q-Tips" even though you buy an off brand? Same with Kleenex.

The public knows nothing of upgrades when it comes to CE products. And what is the percentage of internet users that have high speed Ethernet as opposed to 56K phone? More than you realize have 56K.

Spec's are great for EA's and Forums - but they do not guarantee success - as we have seen in the past.

Oh . . . and not to knock Australia but there are about 200,000 HDTV's in the whole country - about the same in the state of Florida. Great for PR, but Australia represents a spit in the bucket when it comes to the format war and HDTV in general.

**bruceames** · 06-09-2007, 10:00 AM

Likewise welcome to the forum HD VHS. I like your spirit. Keep the fanboy stuff in this section though, since it may not come off so well in the Blu-ray room.

**bruceames** · 06-09-2007, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Oh . . . and not to knock Australia but there are about 200,000 HDTV's in the whole country - about the same in the state of Florida. Great for PR, but Australia represents a spit in the bucket when it comes to the format war and HDTV in general.

I look at the format war as global in nature and that every sale counts the same.

HD VHS · 06-09-2007, 11:20 AM

Well to comment on what some of you guys said, I know they use the same codec, but I saw MI3 on the same 1080p screens, and it looked like there were maggots on the blu ray version

I think HD DVD is better quality, not much difference, but there is one

and to you Lordgamer, read the facts and figures, HD DVD is destroying Bluray in aus.

unotis · 06-09-2007, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HD VHS

Well to comment on what some of you guys said, I know they use the same codec, but I saw MI3 on the same 1080p screens, and it looked like there were maggots on the blu ray version

I think HD DVD is better quality, not much difference, but there is one

and to you Lordgamer, read the facts and figures, HD DVD is destroying Bluray in aus.

Welcome to the forum!

But As much as I wish it wasn't true, do you have a link showing HD DVD is beating Blu-Ray in Australia, because it is my undestanding from other members from Australia that they cannot even find anywhere to purchase HD DVD players nor the HD DVDs in the country.

daleb · 06-09-2007, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unotis

Welcome to the forum!

But As much as I wish it wasn't true, do you have a link showing HD DVD is beating Blu-Ray in Australia, because it is my undestanding from other members from Australia that they cannot even find anywhere to purchase HD DVD players nor the HD DVDs in the country.

That's been my impression also. I've spent some time over at a largely Sony website (lots of bias there, admittedly) and some of the more objective folks from down under were commenting they would like to give HD DVD a fair shake, but it's hard to find any in stores.

samcan07 · 06-09-2007, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unotis

Welcome to the forum!

But As much as I wish it wasn't true, do you have a link showing HD DVD is beating Blu-Ray in Australia, because it is my undestanding from other members from Australia that they cannot even find anywhere to purchase HD DVD players nor the HD DVDs in the country.

I found a couple of weeks ago HD DVD in ezy dvd shops. They have just started selling both format's discs. It is the only shop I have seen them in, but believe there are a few other shops. I still haven't seen a HD DVD player, but I have seen a few Blu ray players in many shops.
(and I don;t mean PS3)

macmarkus · 06-09-2007, 12:01 PM

Exactly, Lee Stewart nailed it ! The only places that matter in this war is the U.S., Europe and Asia. The PQ won't matter (and it IS identical) to most, the SQ won't (difference marginal...very subjective anyway...you have Klipch & I have Magnavox, lots of variables, even cables ! ). It will ultimately be price, name as was said. I'm not a fan of Sony myself, but I don't care which format wins. I remember friends having debates about beta & VHS and thinking, who cares ? Give the best for the cheapest, that's the bottom line. And how it sells in Australia matters as much as how they sell here in Canada, except we've got incredible neighbors to the south

who we enjoy free trade and...ahem, NASCAR. Ha ha ! Just kidding my dear friends...lets not trade the fiddle for the drum ! Peace

06-09-2007, 03:57 AM	#1
HD VHS High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 987	Why I think HD DVD will win, and why Bluray sucks. k, this is my first post, I know I should not be getting cocky on my first post but I have been doing countless reading on who is winning, who thinks they are going to win etc. First things first, I love my DVD collection, so when I want to really grow my HD DVD collection I wanna see the names DVD and HD DVD in my collection, not the name Blu Ray, maybe that was a silly reason to pick HD DVD... My next reason, the video quality on HD DVD is far superior to Blu Ray. When I saw MI3 running in 1080p on a sony bravia, I asked the salesman, why are there maggots crawling on Tom Cruises face? He simply said thats just the video transfer of alot of Blur ray movies. He then put in MI3 in on the same screen running at 1080p and 720p and I was shocked to see that the HD DVD versions looked better running both on 1080 and 720. Now what all these Blu Ray fan boys forget to realize about this crappy format (yes I will admit I am a fanboy of hd dvd but for good reason) is that Blu ray thinks they are coming out strong with all these titles and all these companies backing them, but they dont realize the MASS market hasnt even been close to switching over to HD. So when a rich man with his big PLASMA (not the superior LCD) walks in a says I wanna go HD, the salesman is going to sell him Bluray becuase thats what most retail stores are stocking. Because I know here in Australia HD DVD is destroying bluray. EB games has now shoved there bluray movies into the bottom corner of the store becuase they are not selling becuase, surprise surprise, the PS3 is not selling. Well done Sony, you are relying on the PS3 for blu ray to win, not very good considering the PS3 sucks. So WHEN mummies and daddies walk into a store, and good old grandpa and grandma and they wanna upgrade to HD (in a few more years time) they are going to walk in and see, HD DVD, and BluRay, now by that time, Toshiba will actually have come into the market properly and use their big guns when the MASS market is ready to join in the HD experience. They are going to see the 3 little letter D V D. Hopefully by then salespeople will have jumped off the sony penis and sell what actually better quality, not what nerds love becuase it holds more Gigabytes (buy a hardrive) It is just weird how a reputable site like Digital Bits is siding with Blur Ray? Now I heard there are rumours (dont know if they are true), that fox might be going to HD DVD or being neutral, if this happens, then the war will truly be over, if not by the PS3 failing, which judging by the figures, it will. Oh and who cares about Japan that Bluray is winning, we all know Sony owns Japan, focus on the rest of Asia where hd dvd is winning. Cheers.

06-09-2007, 04:17 AM	#2
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06-09-2007, 05:17 AM	#4
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06-09-2007, 09:36 AM	#8
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 58 Posts: 25,193	Better . . . . Better how? From a technical standpoint I will concide to BD. Unfortunately that is not what this war is all about. It is about mass appeal and due to the following, HD DVD does have the edge: 1. Name 2. Finished platform 3. Price The public knows nothing of bit rates or storage capacity. It knows price and it will recogonize the name HD DVD right off the bat. They have/had DVD and a TV - now they can get HD DVD and an HDTV. Do not discount this. How many times have you walked into a Walgreens and asked for "cotton swabs" as opposed to "Q-Tips" even though you buy an off brand? Same with Kleenex. The public knows nothing of upgrades when it comes to CE products. And what is the percentage of internet users that have high speed Ethernet as opposed to 56K phone? More than you realize have 56K. Spec's are great for EA's and Forums - but they do not guarantee success - as we have seen in the past. Oh . . . and not to knock Australia but there are about 200,000 HDTV's in the whole country - about the same in the state of Florida. Great for PR, but Australia represents a spit in the bucket when it comes to the format war and HDTV in general. Last edited by Lee Stewart; 06-09-2007 at 09:39 AM.

06-09-2007, 10:00 AM	#9
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06-09-2007, 04:23 AM	#3
HD VHS High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 987	Like I said, shouldn't haven't gotten so cocky, but I love hd dvd... thanks for the welcome bud

06-09-2007, 06:32 AM	#5
HD VHS High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 987	Hahaha... whats it called?

06-09-2007, 11:20 AM	#11
HD VHS High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 987	Well to comment on what some of you guys said, I know they use the same codec, but I saw MI3 on the same 1080p screens, and it looked like there were maggots on the blu ray version I think HD DVD is better quality, not much difference, but there is one and to you Lordgamer, read the facts and figures, HD DVD is destroying Bluray in aus. Last edited by HD VHS; 06-09-2007 at 11:22 AM. Reason: forgot to add something

06-09-2007, 12:01 PM	#15
macmarkus High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,146	Exactly, Lee Stewart nailed it ! The only places that matter in this war is the U.S., Europe and Asia. The PQ won't matter (and it IS identical) to most, the SQ won't (difference marginal...very subjective anyway...you have Klipch & I have Magnavox, lots of variables, even cables ! ). It will ultimately be price, name as was said. I'm not a fan of Sony myself, but I don't care which format wins. I remember friends having debates about beta & VHS and thinking, who cares ? Give the best for the cheapest, that's the bottom line. And how it sells in Australia matters as much as how they sell here in Canada, except we've got incredible neighbors to the south who we enjoy free trade and...ahem, NASCAR. Ha ha ! Just kidding my dear friends...lets not trade the fiddle for the drum ! Peace