hd or blue ray

clintyeastwood · 06-03-2007, 03:14 AM

two formats which one do you go for , ive noticed the new releases are edging towards blue ray , but a lot of the old films are being re-released on hd but not on blue ray.
for example rocky balboa is only released on blue ray , so you would have to buy the standard version to play it on hd player, looks like a waiting game to see if it settles down and one format wins.

anythingwt · 06-03-2007, 03:38 AM

There's only one way to go:

buy both

Chris Gerhard · 06-03-2007, 06:09 AM

Samsung has announced a dual format player scheduled for the 4th Quarter this year. It is stupid beyond belief that we have two formats for the same thing, but playing both is what I have decided to do. A good case can be made to only support Blu-ray since it is the only one of the two to have any chance to win. Both survive and expect a rather poor showing from both is my best guess.

Chris

Stew4HD · 06-03-2007, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

Samsung has announced a dual format player scheduled for the 4th Quarter this year. It is stupid beyond belief that we have two formats for the same thing, but playing both is what I have decided to do. A good case can be made to only support Blu-ray since it is the only one of the two to have any chance to win. Both survive and expect a rather poor showing from both is my best guess.

Chris

Typical answer from our beloved Mr. FUDD. A good case can also be made for HD DVD with its more complete format. The dual format player won't be a good solution, at least not the first gen of them. From what I understand, they won't fully utilize the HD DVD capabilites.

borromini · 06-03-2007, 10:04 AM

You should tally the number of Clint Eastwood movies that are available in each format and decide from there.

borromini · 06-03-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

...The dual format player won't be a good solution, at least not the first gen of them. From what I understand, they won't fully utilize the HD DVD capabilites.

That limitation is only present in the LG model. The Samsung model should have full support for both formats.

**PFC5** · 06-03-2007, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borromini

You should tally the number of Clint Eastwood movies that are available in each format and decide from there.

I think if doing that, the OP would choose HD DVD since I believe More Clint Eastwood movies will becoming out on HD DVD from what I remember.

Clint is my favorite actor and I am very happy that he didn't take the advice of the director on his first screen test who said he would never make it as an actor because of his squinting eyes.

And Borromini is correct that the limitation is only with the LG model and LG has another full featured DF player in the works right now. The Samsung 1G DF player will be full featured. I just hope they use the Silicon Optix REON chip in it and not some lower end one for the at best "fair" upscaling they are infamous for with their SD upscalers.

clintyeastwood · 06-03-2007, 02:50 PM

as tvs are advertised as hd ready and not blue ray ready , i think i will ask my film company to release all my old films in this format. as these films were made years before ps3 blue ray was even thought of its possible i could have some new royalties.
seriously , depending on what film you want on dvd it will be up to film companies how they release them , forcing you to choose one format or another . hd seems a stronger disc , but blue ray has more space and that better quality if you go for full 1080 at a price .
with disney backing b/r will pirates of carribean be released in b/r or both should interesting to see with such a big film

**PFC5** · 06-03-2007, 04:20 PM

BD does NOT have better PQ. That "Full HD" talk is more marketing than anything else. Experts have already stated that as long as the 1080p display properly deinterlaces the signal there will be no difference in PQ since the HD DVD discs are all encoded at 1080p also. No info is lost and besides, TWO of the HD DVD players currently out DO in fact output 1080p.

I own both formats and PQ is finally very close, but I still give the edge to the HD DVD movies on average, but it is very close now.

MidnightWatche · 06-03-2007, 04:57 PM

HD DVD has superior mandatory features such as TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus decoding, persistent storage and networking support for web-enabled features and firmware updating. HD DVD is also region free so you can buy virtually any HD DVD from anywhere in the world and it will play in your HD DVD player.

By the way, the mandatory TrueHD and DD+ decoding is really playing in HD DVD's favor. For example, look at some of the films that are out on both HD DVD and Blu-ray. Releases such as Flags of our Fathers, The Fountain, Dreamgirls, Mission Impossible I, Mission Impossible II, Mission Impossible III, Payback: Straight Up The Director's Cut, Happy Feet, Superman Returns, Babel, Lady in the Water, The Ant Bully, Phantom of the Opera, AND OTHERS have the better soundtrack on the HD DVD version since they have either TrueHD or Dolby Digital Plus @ 1.5 mbps, whereas the Blu-ray version only has Dolby Digital at 640kbps. As for picture quality, I give the slight edge to HD DVD, which is one of the many reasons I decided to support it. To top it all off HD DVD is less expensive to buy than Blu-ray. All things considered, HD DVD is the winning format.

By the way, future titles such as "300" and "Blood Diamond" will have superior extras on the HD DVD version.

GLOW · 06-03-2007, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintyeastwood

i think i will ask my film company to release all my old films in this format. as these films were made years before ps3 blue ray was even thought of its possible i could have some new royalties.

LOL

Let me guess... you're Clint Eastwood, right? Hi, Clint!

clintyeastwood · 06-04-2007, 03:59 PM

you tech boys seem to have hd as the front runner , with sonys big wallet behind blue ray i would like to see sony loose , they cant win all the time, sony mini disc has faded into the sunset, psp games are not top shelf but tucked away in corners now .
most folks have or are upgrading vhs to dvd . so i cant see an overnight change again from dvd to hd/or br.
nice to hear the sound is a lot better on hd , this would sway me more .
meanwhile heres a list of films im asking to be released for royalties

Dirty Harry (2007) (VG) (in production) (voice) .... Harry Callahan

Million Dollar Baby (2004) .... Frankie Dunn
Blood Work (2002) .... Terry McCaleb
Space Cowboys (2000) .... Frank Corvin

True Crime (1999) .... Steve Everett
Absolute Power (1997) .... Luther Whitney
The Bridges of Madison County (1995) .... Robert Kincaid
A Perfect World (1993) .... Chief Red Garnett
In the Line of Fire (1993) .... Secret Service Agent Frank Horrigan
Unforgiven (1992) .... William 'Bill' Munny
The Rookie (1990) .... Nick Pulovski
White Hunter Black Heart (1990) .... John Wilson

Pink Cadillac (1989) .... Tommy Nowak
The Dead Pool (1988) .... Insp. 'Dirty' Harry Callahan
... aka Dirty Harry in The Dead Pool (USA: poster title)
Heartbreak Ridge (1986) .... Gunnery Sgt. Tom 'Gunny' Highway
Pale Rider (1985) .... Preacher
City Heat (1984) .... Lieutenant Speer
Tightrope (1984) .... Capt. Wes Block
Sudden Impact (1983) .... Harry Callahan
Honkytonk Man (1982) .... Red Stovall
Firefox (1982) .... Mitchell Gant
Any Which Way You Can (1980) .... Philo Beddoe
Bronco Billy (1980) .... Bronco Billy McCoy

Escape from Alcatraz (1979) .... Frank Morris
Every Which Way But Loose (1978) .... Philo Beddoe
The Gauntlet (1977) .... Ben Shockley
The Enforcer (1976/I) .... Insp. 'Dirty' Harry Callahan
The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976) .... Josey Wales
The Eiger Sanction (1975) .... Dr. Jonathan Hemlock
Thunderbolt and Lightfoot (1974) .... John "Thunderbolt" Doherty
Magnum Force (1973) .... Insp. 'Dirty' Harry Callahan
Breezy (1973) (uncredited) .... Man in Crowd on Pier
High Plains Drifter (1973) .... The Stranger
Joe Kidd (1972) .... Joe Kidd
Dirty Harry (1971) .... Insp. Harry Callahan
Play Misty for Me (1971) .... Dave
The Beguiled (1971) .... Cpl. John McBurney
Kelly's Heroes (1970) .... Pvt. Kelly
... aka Ratnici (Yugoslavia: Serbian title)
Two Mules for Sister Sara (1970) .... Hogan
... aka Dos mulas para la hermana Sara (Mexico)

Paint Your Wagon (1969) .... Pardner
Where Eagles Dare (1968) .... Lt. Morris Schaffer
Coogan's Bluff (1968) .... Deputy Sheriff Walt Coogan
Hang 'Em High (1968

Stew4HD · 06-04-2007, 04:03 PM

Where's The Good, Bad and Ugly on the list?

clintyeastwood · 06-04-2007, 04:05 PM

its that old they lost the original reel

Stew4HD · 06-04-2007, 04:06 PM

good thing that I have the SD collectors edition then

06-03-2007, 03:14 AM	#1
clintyeastwood A couch and an HDTV to go please. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 12	hd or blue ray two formats which one do you go for , ive noticed the new releases are edging towards blue ray , but a lot of the old films are being re-released on hd but not on blue ray. for example rocky balboa is only released on blue ray , so you would have to buy the standard version to play it on hd player, looks like a waiting game to see if it settles down and one format wins.

06-03-2007, 10:04 AM	#5
borromini HT Frontiersman Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 9,825	You should tally the number of Clint Eastwood movies that are available in each format and decide from there. __________________ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

06-03-2007, 02:50 PM	#8
clintyeastwood A couch and an HDTV to go please. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 12	more hd as tvs are advertised as hd ready and not blue ray ready , i think i will ask my film company to release all my old films in this format. as these films were made years before ps3 blue ray was even thought of its possible i could have some new royalties. seriously , depending on what film you want on dvd it will be up to film companies how they release them , forcing you to choose one format or another . hd seems a stronger disc , but blue ray has more space and that better quality if you go for full 1080 at a price . with disney backing b/r will pirates of carribean be released in b/r or both should interesting to see with such a big film

06-03-2007, 04:20 PM	#9
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,385	BD does NOT have better PQ. That "Full HD" talk is more marketing than anything else. Experts have already stated that as long as the 1080p display properly deinterlaces the signal there will be no difference in PQ since the HD DVD discs are all encoded at 1080p also. No info is lost and besides, TWO of the HD DVD players currently out DO in fact output 1080p. I own both formats and PQ is finally very close, but I still give the edge to the HD DVD movies on average, but it is very close now. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

06-03-2007, 04:57 PM	#10
MidnightWatche High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 944	HD DVD has superior mandatory features such as TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus decoding, persistent storage and networking support for web-enabled features and firmware updating. HD DVD is also region free so you can buy virtually any HD DVD from anywhere in the world and it will play in your HD DVD player. By the way, the mandatory TrueHD and DD+ decoding is really playing in HD DVD's favor. For example, look at some of the films that are out on both HD DVD and Blu-ray. Releases such as Flags of our Fathers, The Fountain, Dreamgirls, Mission Impossible I, Mission Impossible II, Mission Impossible III, Payback: Straight Up The Director's Cut, Happy Feet, Superman Returns, Babel, Lady in the Water, The Ant Bully, Phantom of the Opera, AND OTHERS have the better soundtrack on the HD DVD version since they have either TrueHD or Dolby Digital Plus @ 1.5 mbps, whereas the Blu-ray version only has Dolby Digital at 640kbps. As for picture quality, I give the slight edge to HD DVD, which is one of the many reasons I decided to support it. To top it all off HD DVD is less expensive to buy than Blu-ray. All things considered, HD DVD is the winning format. By the way, future titles such as "300" and "Blood Diamond" will have superior extras on the HD DVD version. __________________ "Without struggle there can be no progress." Last edited by MidnightWatche; 06-03-2007 at 05:01 PM.

06-03-2007, 03:38 AM	#2
anythingwt one love Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 4,408	There's only one way to go: buy both

06-03-2007, 06:09 AM	#3
Chris Gerhard High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,209	Samsung has announced a dual format player scheduled for the 4th Quarter this year. It is stupid beyond belief that we have two formats for the same thing, but playing both is what I have decided to do. A good case can be made to only support Blu-ray since it is the only one of the two to have any chance to win. Both survive and expect a rather poor showing from both is my best guess. Chris

06-04-2007, 03:59 PM	#12
clintyeastwood A couch and an HDTV to go please. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 12	hd for me you tech boys seem to have hd as the front runner , with sonys big wallet behind blue ray i would like to see sony loose , they cant win all the time, sony mini disc has faded into the sunset, psp games are not top shelf but tucked away in corners now . most folks have or are upgrading vhs to dvd . so i cant see an overnight change again from dvd to hd/or br. nice to hear the sound is a lot better on hd , this would sway me more . meanwhile heres a list of films im asking to be released for royalties Dirty Harry (2007) (VG) (in production) (voice) .... Harry Callahan Million Dollar Baby (2004) .... Frankie Dunn Blood Work (2002) .... Terry McCaleb Space Cowboys (2000) .... Frank Corvin True Crime (1999) .... Steve Everett Absolute Power (1997) .... Luther Whitney The Bridges of Madison County (1995) .... Robert Kincaid A Perfect World (1993) .... Chief Red Garnett In the Line of Fire (1993) .... Secret Service Agent Frank Horrigan Unforgiven (1992) .... William 'Bill' Munny The Rookie (1990) .... Nick Pulovski White Hunter Black Heart (1990) .... John Wilson Pink Cadillac (1989) .... Tommy Nowak The Dead Pool (1988) .... Insp. 'Dirty' Harry Callahan ... aka Dirty Harry in The Dead Pool (USA: poster title) Heartbreak Ridge (1986) .... Gunnery Sgt. Tom 'Gunny' Highway Pale Rider (1985) .... Preacher City Heat (1984) .... Lieutenant Speer Tightrope (1984) .... Capt. Wes Block Sudden Impact (1983) .... Harry Callahan Honkytonk Man (1982) .... Red Stovall Firefox (1982) .... Mitchell Gant Any Which Way You Can (1980) .... Philo Beddoe Bronco Billy (1980) .... Bronco Billy McCoy Escape from Alcatraz (1979) .... Frank Morris Every Which Way But Loose (1978) .... Philo Beddoe The Gauntlet (1977) .... Ben Shockley The Enforcer (1976/I) .... Insp. 'Dirty' Harry Callahan The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976) .... Josey Wales The Eiger Sanction (1975) .... Dr. Jonathan Hemlock Thunderbolt and Lightfoot (1974) .... John "Thunderbolt" Doherty Magnum Force (1973) .... Insp. 'Dirty' Harry Callahan Breezy (1973) (uncredited) .... Man in Crowd on Pier High Plains Drifter (1973) .... The Stranger Joe Kidd (1972) .... Joe Kidd Dirty Harry (1971) .... Insp. Harry Callahan Play Misty for Me (1971) .... Dave The Beguiled (1971) .... Cpl. John McBurney Kelly's Heroes (1970) .... Pvt. Kelly ... aka Ratnici (Yugoslavia: Serbian title) Two Mules for Sister Sara (1970) .... Hogan ... aka Dos mulas para la hermana Sara (Mexico) Paint Your Wagon (1969) .... Pardner Where Eagles Dare (1968) .... Lt. Morris Schaffer Coogan's Bluff (1968) .... Deputy Sheriff Walt Coogan Hang 'Em High (1968

06-04-2007, 04:03 PM	#13
Stew4HD High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,068	Where's The Good, Bad and Ugly on the list? __________________ ___________________________________

06-04-2007, 04:05 PM	#14
clintyeastwood A couch and an HDTV to go please. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 12	too old its that old they lost the original reel

06-04-2007, 04:06 PM	#15
Stew4HD High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,068	good thing that I have the SD collectors edition then __________________ ___________________________________

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