Why aren't more new releases coming out in HD?

El Despairado · 03-20-2007, 05:04 AM

By new releases, I mean NEW RELEASES. Not more catalogue tiles. Each week there are at least 5 new major films released on DVD. Why aren't some of these ready for HD DVD and Blu-ray as well. This, above all else is starting to annoy me. I mean, I have to think that is a big part of why neither format is gaining impressive marketshare in home video. I mean, it might help if Joe Everyman could walk down the New Release aisle at his local store and see a Blu-ray or HD DVD version of the new releases as well. Instead, Joe probably thinks, "Gee, I will still have to keep buying regular DVD's for new releases, that sucks!"

Does anyone know why both formats are going back catalogue heavy and forsaking some of the bigger new releases? I, personally, am not as excited to "re-buy" a bunch of old titles in HD, as I am to get a brand new movie to add to my collection, even if it has to be SD DVD. Recently, I've come across quite a few new SD DVD releases that can only be displayed with a 480p max resolution on my HD-XA2. I get a warning to that effect when I pop in some of the new SD DVD releases. I am running full HDMI too.

Is there any question that both formats wouldn't see greater growth if more new releases were available at the same time as the SD DVD counterpart? What's going on?

borromini · 03-20-2007, 07:36 AM

It should improve for HD DVD later this year...maybe they're trying to address the recent hacks.

MrPorterhouse · 03-20-2007, 10:20 AM

Blu-ray is supporting Day and Date to a greater extent than is HD DVD. This has been something I've seen for a long time due to Universals poor Box Office 2006 results. Not many blockbusters in Universals pipe for Day and Date, just catalog stuff. This is a trend that is continuing into 2007 for Universal in early 2007 so they rely on their extensive catalog. To me, catalog is blah because I'm not going to re-purchase many titles that I already have on DVD. Only a few here and there. Day and Date is huge for me and Blu-ray has a better selection due to their supporting studios.

MattRCT · 03-20-2007, 12:58 PM

yeah but you like it when sony spews out that they have already won the war, so you lose in the end.

BiggNewt · 03-20-2007, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPorterhouse

Blu-ray is supporting Day and Date to a greater extent than is HD DVD. This has been something I've seen for a long time due to Universals poor Box Office 2006 results. Not many blockbusters in Universals pipe for Day and Date, just catalog stuff. This is a trend that is continuing into 2007 for Universal in early 2007 so they rely on their extensive catalog. To me, catalog is blah because I'm not going to re-purchase many titles that I already have on DVD. Only a few here and there. Day and Date is huge for me and Blu-ray has a better selection due to their supporting studios.

Agreed 100%...

El Despairado · 03-21-2007, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BiggNewt

Agreed 100%...

Yeah, I think this is why Blu-ray is so much more appealing to me of late. The thing is, who cares if the film was a blockbuster? HD DVD is putting out a lot of films that are very suspect, even the catalogue releases. Sure a lot of them may have been big budget at the time, but my god, some of the titles just universally suck. I mean, Waterworld.... Sure the movie probably has a fan base, but I can think of a 100 other films that more people would want thatn Waterworld. The other thing is, who cares if the film was a Blockbuster? I buy tons of movies that weren't necessarily runaway smash hits.

Even though Blu-ray is coming out with more new release titles than HD DVD, they are still lacking. I love movies, and I'll watch the same movie over and over and over again. I'll go through all the special features, and I'll watch the movie with all the commentaries. I find it all interesting. I probably buy on average 5 movies a month. However, I am still buying like 4 SD DVD's to one HD film because I buy primarily new releases currently.

**bruceames** · 03-21-2007, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPorterhouse

Blu-ray is supporting Day and Date to a greater extent than is HD DVD. This has been something I've seen for a long time due to Universals poor Box Office 2006 results. Not many blockbusters in Universals pipe for Day and Date, just catalog stuff. This is a trend that is continuing into 2007 for Universal in early 2007 so they rely on their extensive catalog. To me, catalog is blah because I'm not going to re-purchase many titles that I already have on DVD. Only a few here and there. Day and Date is huge for me and Blu-ray has a better selection due to their supporting studios.

I've actually stopped buying new releases about 3 years ago because I realize that the $20 movie of today will cost $10 a year from now. Only if my wife wants something would I buy a new release. Of course, it's different with the HD formats because the price difference between new stuff and catalog is often only $4.00 Amazon price, so I will buy new releases if they appeal to me.

But basically everything is new if you've never seen the movie, and there are thousands of good catalog movies I don't have and have never seen. And just because it comes out now doesn't mean it is better.

Anyway, Universal will be releasing quite a few day and date this year.

BiggNewt · 03-21-2007, 09:20 AM

I am not saying that new movies are better than old. But most people have some pretty nice editions of these movies on DVD, now they have to put out another $25 for an updated HD version? I think the best bet is to get movies out that have never been on video before, so people won't have to worry about double dipping left and right and wind up with a worthless extra copy. I have 400 something DVDs and don't feel the need to begin replacing them with HD versions, I rather buy one movie one time.

**bruceames** · 03-21-2007, 09:33 AM

Nobody wants to double dip, but even with as many DVDs that I have, it's not hard buying HD DVDs that I don't have the SD version of. Most people don't have 100's of DVDs that could deter them from double dipping anyway. Having said that, about 1/3 of my HD DVDs are double dippers, but as long as I keep hold it down to about 20% (hey, some movies are just worth it), then I can live with that.

Lee Stewart · 03-21-2007, 09:36 AM

It is important to know WHO is buying HDTV's and HD Disc players. here is an article that claims Baby Boomers are the #1 cat. for these purchases. Many do want to "relive" the past and older movies bring back good memories.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070320/20070320006219.html?.v=1

Most interesting fact in article - 2/3's of people who have ever lived . . are alive today. From 150,000 years ago to today!!

**PFC5** · 03-21-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceames

I've actually stopped buying new releases about 3 years ago because I realize that the $20 movie of today will cost $10 a year from now. Only if my wife wants something would I buy a new release. Of course, it's different with the HD formats because the price difference between new stuff and catalog is often only $4.00 Amazon price, so I will buy new releases if they appeal to me.

But basically everything is new if you've never seen the movie, and there are thousands of good catalog movies I don't have and have never seen. And just because it comes out now doesn't mean it is better.

Anyway, Universal will be releasing quite a few day and date this year.

I only buy the occasional new release for that same reason. If I cannot buy it at Walmart in the first couple of days of release when they sell them for $15.00, I usually wait a year to buy a new release when they cost $10.00 too.

My wife will sometimes buy a kid movie upon release even if it is not on sale.

Big Red · 03-21-2007, 12:44 PM

The whole "new" movie difference between BD and HD DVD isn't as big as people try to make it out to be.

A lot of this years biggest movies are going to be found on both like: 300, Sherk 3, Harry Potter, Transformers, Ocean's Thirteen, Rush Hour 3 etc.. And HD DVD will have it's share of exclusives as well like: Evan Almighty, The Bourne Ultimatum, American Gangster etc...

El Despairado · 03-21-2007, 05:10 PM

[quote=Lee Stewart]It is important to know WHO is buying HDTV's and HD Disc players. here is an article that claims Baby Boomers are the #1 cat. for these purchases. Many do want to "relive" the past and older movies bring back good memories.
QUOTE]

I guess I just have too much disposable income too young. It sucks. I am really starting to feel like no one is marketing to me. I don't have and don't want a PS3, so I am missing out on BD. Plus, I already own all the worth-having titles that HD DVD has to offer on recent re-mastered editions of SD DVD.

**PFC5** · 03-21-2007, 05:15 PM

So if you have disposable income dispose of it by re-buying the HD DVD versions of those movies that are already released in HD DVD. Either that or give some to me so I can replace mine.

I can guarantee that it will look AND sound better on HD DVD and then you can ebay the SD DVD versions, or give them to friends.

There. Problem solved.

**bruceames** · 03-21-2007, 06:55 PM

Despairado, you sound like you won't be able to wait for the perfect BD player, so you may as well jump in and get the Sammy or a PS3 until that player comes along (unless you know of a BD player that you want that will be released soon). It pains me to hear to pine for the BD movies, so do yourself a favor and satisfy that growing hunger inside you for BD movies.

03-20-2007, 07:36 AM	#2
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03-21-2007, 09:20 AM	#8
BiggNewt High on Definition Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 1,422	I am not saying that new movies are better than old. But most people have some pretty nice editions of these movies on DVD, now they have to put out another $25 for an updated HD version? I think the best bet is to get movies out that have never been on video before, so people won't have to worry about double dipping left and right and wind up with a worthless extra copy. I have 400 something DVDs and don't feel the need to begin replacing them with HD versions, I rather buy one movie one time. __________________ Panasonic TC-P46G10 Plasma HDTV Samsung LN-T4061F 1080p HDTV Panasonic CT26WX15 CRT HDTV Onkyo TX-SR604 7.1 HDMI Receiver Optimus Mach Three Front Speakers Sony SS-CN5000 Center Speaker Sony SS-B1000 Surround Speakers (7.1) Sony SA-W3000 180W Subwoofer Sony PS3 (60gig w/ Linux installed) XBox 360 Premium Sony PS2 (160gig HDD, Messiah Pro 2 Modchip) Phillips DVP642 Divx/PAL DVD Player ViP 722k DVR Dual-Tuner 500GB

03-21-2007, 09:33 AM	#9
bruceames Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Rafael, CA Posts: 10,166	Nobody wants to double dip, but even with as many DVDs that I have, it's not hard buying HD DVDs that I don't have the SD version of. Most people don't have 100's of DVDs that could deter them from double dipping anyway. Having said that, about 1/3 of my HD DVDs are double dippers, but as long as I keep hold it down to about 20% (hey, some movies are just worth it), then I can live with that. __________________ Blu-rays: 55 Latest purchases: John Adams, Gone With the Wind, Up, Rocky: The Undisputed Collection

03-21-2007, 09:36 AM	#10
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 58 Posts: 25,188	It is important to know WHO is buying HDTV's and HD Disc players. here is an article that claims Baby Boomers are the #1 cat. for these purchases. Many do want to "relive" the past and older movies bring back good memories. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070320/20070320006219.html?.v=1 Most interesting fact in article - 2/3's of people who have ever lived . . are alive today. From 150,000 years ago to today!! Last edited by Lee Stewart; 03-21-2007 at 09:38 AM.

03-21-2007, 05:10 PM	#13
El Despairado HD DVD: Still the best! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Dakota Age: 32 Posts: 903	[quote=Lee Stewart]It is important to know WHO is buying HDTV's and HD Disc players. here is an article that claims Baby Boomers are the #1 cat. for these purchases. Many do want to "relive" the past and older movies bring back good memories. QUOTE] I guess I just have too much disposable income too young. It sucks. I am really starting to feel like no one is marketing to me. I don't have and don't want a PS3, so I am missing out on BD. Plus, I already own all the worth-having titles that HD DVD has to offer on recent re-mastered editions of SD DVD. __________________ Consumers did not choose the winner of the format war, the movie studios did, and now consumers are stuck with the decision. Samsung HL-S6187W Yamaha RX-V2700 Toshiba HD-XA2 RF/LF-Polk Audio RTi8 Center-Polk Audio CSi3 SL/SR-Polk Audio RTi6 LFE-Polk Audio P505 300watt self amplified. Xbox 360 Administrator of Horns Up International hornsupinternational.freeforums.org

03-20-2007, 05:04 AM	#1
El Despairado HD DVD: Still the best! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Dakota Age: 32 Posts: 903	Why aren't more new releases coming out in HD? By new releases, I mean NEW RELEASES. Not more catalogue tiles. Each week there are at least 5 new major films released on DVD. Why aren't some of these ready for HD DVD and Blu-ray as well. This, above all else is starting to annoy me. I mean, I have to think that is a big part of why neither format is gaining impressive marketshare in home video. I mean, it might help if Joe Everyman could walk down the New Release aisle at his local store and see a Blu-ray or HD DVD version of the new releases as well. Instead, Joe probably thinks, "Gee, I will still have to keep buying regular DVD's for new releases, that sucks!" Does anyone know why both formats are going back catalogue heavy and forsaking some of the bigger new releases? I, personally, am not as excited to "re-buy" a bunch of old titles in HD, as I am to get a brand new movie to add to my collection, even if it has to be SD DVD. Recently, I've come across quite a few new SD DVD releases that can only be displayed with a 480p max resolution on my HD-XA2. I get a warning to that effect when I pop in some of the new SD DVD releases. I am running full HDMI too. Is there any question that both formats wouldn't see greater growth if more new releases were available at the same time as the SD DVD counterpart? What's going on? __________________ Consumers did not choose the winner of the format war, the movie studios did, and now consumers are stuck with the decision. Samsung HL-S6187W Yamaha RX-V2700 Toshiba HD-XA2 RF/LF-Polk Audio RTi8 Center-Polk Audio CSi3 SL/SR-Polk Audio RTi6 LFE-Polk Audio P505 300watt self amplified. Xbox 360 Administrator of Horns Up International hornsupinternational.freeforums.org

03-20-2007, 10:20 AM	#3
MrPorterhouse Meat & Potatoes High DeF Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Ridgeville, OH Age: 35 Posts: 424	Blu-ray is supporting Day and Date to a greater extent than is HD DVD. This has been something I've seen for a long time due to Universals poor Box Office 2006 results. Not many blockbusters in Universals pipe for Day and Date, just catalog stuff. This is a trend that is continuing into 2007 for Universal in early 2007 so they rely on their extensive catalog. To me, catalog is blah because I'm not going to re-purchase many titles that I already have on DVD. Only a few here and there. Day and Date is huge for me and Blu-ray has a better selection due to their supporting studios.

03-20-2007, 12:58 PM	#4
MattRCT BEAT LA BEAT LA Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 949	yeah but you like it when sony spews out that they have already won the war, so you lose in the end.

03-21-2007, 12:44 PM	#12
Big Red High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 90	The whole "new" movie difference between BD and HD DVD isn't as big as people try to make it out to be. A lot of this years biggest movies are going to be found on both like: 300, Sherk 3, Harry Potter, Transformers, Ocean's Thirteen, Rush Hour 3 etc.. And HD DVD will have it's share of exclusives as well like: Evan Almighty, The Bourne Ultimatum, American Gangster etc...

03-21-2007, 05:15 PM	#14
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,349	So if you have disposable income dispose of it by re-buying the HD DVD versions of those movies that are already released in HD DVD. Either that or give some to me so I can replace mine. I can guarantee that it will look AND sound better on HD DVD and then you can ebay the SD DVD versions, or give them to friends. There. Problem solved. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

03-21-2007, 06:55 PM	#15
bruceames Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Rafael, CA Posts: 10,166	Despairado, you sound like you won't be able to wait for the perfect BD player, so you may as well jump in and get the Sammy or a PS3 until that player comes along (unless you know of a BD player that you want that will be released soon). It pains me to hear to pine for the BD movies, so do yourself a favor and satisfy that growing hunger inside you for BD movies. __________________ Blu-rays: 55 Latest purchases: John Adams, Gone With the Wind, Up, Rocky: The Undisputed Collection