Does everything need to be in High def?

JimmyJames · 12-20-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ja2935

Not being a purchaser of TV series I'm curious as to how owners view these? Favourite episodes or start at the beginning and watch all through again?

Depends on the show. CSI, for example, I will just grab a random disc and pop it on. You don't need to watch those in order and I can't think of an episode I really "didn't like". But 24 (Keifer Sutherland), you need to watch in order, so I do so. The Office & Seinfeld - I'll go to my favorites specifically.

rmslives · 12-20-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Yes everything has to be in high def

So even special features? Are you insistent that those be high def, too?

GLOW · 12-20-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rmslives

So even special features? Are you insistent that those be high def, too?

Well when you are dealing with a very small space... say 30GB for example... the space should be used to for better things. Luckily we don't have this issue with my format.

JimmyJames · 12-20-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GLOW

Well when you are dealing with a very small space... say 30GB for example... the space should be used to for better things. Luckily we don't have this issue with my format.

And GLOW enters the forum which had nothing to do with BD and interjects with his Blu-Ray rants and jabs...good job! Now get lost.

JimmyJames · 12-20-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GLOW

Well when you are dealing with a very small space... say 30GB for example... the space should be used to for better things. Luckily we don't have this issue with my format.

"My Format" - do you own Sony Stock? I hope so with all the hard work you're putting into their marketing and adverstising for them.

HDDVDSupport · 12-20-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GLOW

Well when you are dealing with a very small space... say 30GB for example... the space should be used to for better things. Luckily we don't have this issue with my format.

Really? Tell that to the people who bought Terminator 2. Not only did they not get HD extras, they didn't even get the Special Edition version that I have on VHS and SD DVD.

Please enlighten the class - how many of "your" format's titles offer HD bonus features?

GLOW · 12-20-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HDDVDSupport

Really? Tell that to the people who bought Terminator 2. Not only did they not get HD extras, they didn't even get the Special Edition version that I have on VHS and SD DVD.

Please enlighten the class - how many of "your" format's titles offer HD bonus features?

Not very many. Like JimmyJames said, this thread isn't about Blu-ray. But if you want to get into how Blu-ray's capacity lends itself to high-def extras, we can do that.

HDDVDSupport · 12-20-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GLOW

Not very many. Like JimmyJames said, this thread isn't about Blu-ray. But if you want to get into how Blu-ray's capacity lends itself to high-def extras, we can do that.

You brought it up, bud. You threw in your little dig, not thinking that someone might actually see it for what it was - petty bullshit.

So, since there's no space issue, according to you, with "your" format, why aren't there HD extras on all or most of the BD releases? Please enlighten us. I'm not talking about theoretical advantages, I'm talking real-life releases. There are plenty of BD titles out there right now - over 100 - so why haven't we seen HD extras on all or most of them? Why not even 25%? Surely you know, since you're the expert with the big mouth.

GLOW · 12-20-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HDDVDSupport

You brought it up, bud. You threw in your little dig, not thinking that someone might actually see it for what it was - petty bullshit.

So, since there's no space issue, according to you, with "your" format, why aren't there HD extras on all or most of the BD releases? Please enlighten us. I'm not talking about theoretical advantages, I'm talking real-life releases. There are plenty of BD titles out there right now - over 100 - so why haven't we seen HD extras on all or most of them? Why not even 25%? Surely you know, since you're the expert with the big mouth.

I shouldn't explain this to you because I know you already know why there aren't too many releases with HD extras. Extras cost money for studios to produce, studios are not making enough money off these HD releases that they can afford to just throw everything onto disc. Then there's "double dipping", studios will release a barebones disc in hopes of being able to convince you to buy another copy down the road if it's loaded with extras. Also, not every movie ever made has behind the scenes material that can be transferred to HD.

HDDVDSupport · 12-20-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GLOW

I shouldn't explain this to you because I know you already know why there aren't too many releases with HD extras. Extras cost money for studios to produce, studios are not making enough money off these HD releases that they can afford to just throw everything onto disc. Then there's "double dipping", studios will release a barebones disc in hopes of being able to convince you to buy another copy down the road if it's loaded with extras. Also, not every movie ever made has behind the scenes material that can be transferred to HD.

Well, then - allow me to explain something to you as well. When they do make those extras in HD, they're going to put them on a second disc. You know why? Because they know there's more marketability in a 2-disc special edition than there is in providing the same content on one disc.

When they start the inevitable double-dipping, 2-disc HD DVDs and BDs will start to be as common as they are with SD DVDs.

It's not like they released MI:III as a 2-disc set on HD DVD and as a single disc on BD. BD got a second disc for its extras, too.

rmslives · 12-20-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GLOW

Not very many. Like JimmyJames said, this thread isn't about Blu-ray.

Actually, I was just referring to high def in general when I started this thread. I did mention that I was buying HD, but I was not trying to be exclusive. Blu-Ray offers special features in high def on some discs, to my knowledge. My curiosity is related to whether people are now becoming a bit overly obsessive with high def, when in some instances its overall impact is minimal.

GLOW · 12-20-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rmslives

people are now becoming a bit overly obsessive with high def, when in some instances its overall impact is minimal.

In MOST instances, high-def's overall impact is minimal. Outside of the internet, I'm afraid there isn't much interest at all in this stuff.

HDDVDSupport · 12-20-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GLOW

In MOST instances, high-def's overall impact is minimal. Outside of the internet, I'm afraid there isn't much interest at all in this stuff.

Yep. Right now, it's just us geeks.

**PFC5** · 12-20-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HDDVDSupport

Well, then - allow me to explain something to you as well. When they do make those extras in HD, they're going to put them on a second disc. You know why? Because they know there's more marketability in a 2-disc special edition than there is in providing the same content on one disc.

When they start the inevitable double-dipping, 2-disc HD DVDs and BDs will start to be as common as they are with SD DVDs.

It's not like they released MI:III as a 2-disc set on HD DVD and as a single disc on BD. BD got a second disc for its extras, too.

And the BD version got LESS extras to boot.

**bruceames** · 12-20-2006, 06:38 PM

To me there are many scenarios where I would welcome a choice between SD and HD, where SD, of course, would be offered at a much lower price. Smallville season 5, for example, is on both formats, and as new release, the price difference is really not great ($40 SD vs about $50-50 HD), but I know Smallville S5, like many other TV on DVD and movies, will go down considerably in price to under $20.

My point is, what would the price ratio need to be order to "settle" for SD over HD? 2 to 1? 3 to 1? 5 to 1? What is a better value: Silence of the Lambs in SD for $8.00, or the same in HD for $20.00?
Of course, it depends on the person, the price difference, and the movie (whether HD really adds much more enjoyment to the viewing experience). I like to have that choice since I agree that for many type of programs that SD is just fine for me, especially when it's upscaled.

Another thing to consider is the transfer quality. Smallville S5 in HD is an excellent transfer and the PQ upgrade to me was worth the extra money.

12-20-2006, 06:38 PM	#30
bruceames Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Rafael, CA Posts: 10,170	To me there are many scenarios where I would welcome a choice between SD and HD, where SD, of course, would be offered at a much lower price. Smallville season 5, for example, is on both formats, and as new release, the price difference is really not great ($40 SD vs about $50-50 HD), but I know Smallville S5, like many other TV on DVD and movies, will go down considerably in price to under $20. My point is, what would the price ratio need to be order to "settle" for SD over HD? 2 to 1? 3 to 1? 5 to 1? What is a better value: Silence of the Lambs in SD for $8.00, or the same in HD for $20.00? Of course, it depends on the person, the price difference, and the movie (whether HD really adds much more enjoyment to the viewing experience). I like to have that choice since I agree that for many type of programs that SD is just fine for me, especially when it's upscaled. Another thing to consider is the transfer quality. Smallville S5 in HD is an excellent transfer and the PQ upgrade to me was worth the extra money. Last edited by bruceames; 12-20-2006 at 06:40 PM.