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Old 11-16-2006, 10:39 PM   #1
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Default 1.5 million HD-DVD movie discs sold already!

Here is a link to HTS post of this by David Vaughn. He is an official reviewer for the HD-DVDs coming out and received notification via email.

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsth...gonew/1#UNREAD

This is much more than I thought they would have sold. Did anyone think this many HD-DVD discs would have been bought this soon?
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That is shipped, not sold. Big difference. But its still a good sign.
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I stand corrected. It is "shipped" not "sold". Sorry about that.

Could a moderator change the title of this thread to change "sold" to "shipped"?
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Here is a link to HTS post of this by David Vaughn. He is an official reviewer for the HD-DVDs coming out and received notification via email.

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsth...gonew/1#UNREAD

This is much more than I thought they would have sold. Did anyone think this many HD-DVD discs would have been bought this soon?
That is not very impressive. I think that 1.5 or more million DVDs are sold every day in this country.
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That is not very impressive. I think that 1.5 or more million DVDs are sold every day in this country.
And how long have DVD's been out?

How many people have DVD players?

I think you'd find it impressive if you had the info on how many people own DVD players and how many people own HD-DVD players.

Say 1 billion people own DVD players and only 50k own HD-DVD players? Still think its not impressive?
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No,not when it say's 1.5 million shipped not sold.
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And how long have DVD's been out?

How many people have DVD players?

I think you'd find it impressive if you had the info on how many people own DVD players and how many people own HD-DVD players.

Say 1 billion people own DVD players and only 50k own HD-DVD players? Still think its not impressive?
Considering that there are 400K PS3 consoles and they all sold today. Then considering that there will be well over 2 million PS3 games sold in the next week. I find that impressive.

Also consider, Blu Ray players now well out number HD-DVD players now (overnight).
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That is not very impressive. I think that 1.5 or more million DVDs are sold every day in this country.

Yes and a DVD player is like 30 bucks. A HD player requires a significantly higher cash outlay for the system.

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That Considering that there are 400K PS3 consoles and they all sold today. Then considering that there will be well over 2 million PS3 games sold in the next week. I find that impressive.

Also consider, Blu Ray players now well out number HD-DVD players now (overnight).
The questions is will this translate into into more movie purchases than HD DVD. The jury is out on this one. People aren't paying $4000 on eBay to play movies. They want the PS3 for games.

The facts are clear. 1.5 million HD DVD shipped dwarfs Blu-ray's total which I estimate at 500k at best.
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Considering that there are 400K PS3 consoles and they all sold today. Then considering that there will be well over 2 million PS3 games sold in the next week. I find that impressive.

Also consider, Blu Ray players now well out number HD-DVD players now (overnight).
I don't call that impressive. I call that expected.

And I'm sure those 400k units were all bought because they are bluray players, right? Yes - While they can play bluray movies, the large majority of people bought them for games. Will they buy movies? Maybe.

With the 360 HD-DVD add on, one thing is certain. People are getting in JUST for the movies. So I'd bet 10k sales of the add on mean more sales of HD-DVD movies than 400k sales of the PS3 mean for bluray sales.

At $500 or $600, is someone going to be more likely to spend $30 on a movie or put that towards a new game? I'd bet game.

Advantage of the add on is that the 3-4 million 360 owners that have owned their consoles for awhile may want to now get more out of it. We can. And we've already been enjoying gaming and probably don't mind spending a little extra on something else now.

PS3 owners probably want to get some gaming out of their console first. Which is exactly why I believe the PS3 will have minimal impact until its been out for a number of months.
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I don't call that impressive. I call that expected.

And I'm sure those 400k units were all bought because they are bluray players, right? Yes - While they can play bluray movies, the large majority of people bought them for games. Will they buy movies? Maybe.

With the 360 HD-DVD add on, one thing is certain. People are getting in JUST for the movies. So I'd bet 10k sales of the add on mean more sales of HD-DVD movies than 400k sales of the PS3 mean for bluray sales.

At $500 or $600, is someone going to be more likely to spend $30 on a movie or put that towards a new game? I'd bet game.

Advantage of the add on is that the 3-4 million 360 owners that have owned their consoles for awhile may want to now get more out of it. We can. And we've already been enjoying gaming and probably don't mind spending a little extra on something else now.

PS3 owners probably want to get some gaming out of their console first. Which is exactly why I believe the PS3 will have minimal impact until its been out for a number of months.
Consider this, a Blu Ray disc player runs around $1000-$1200. The lower PS3 costs $500 and plays Blu Ray movies. I was at CC and BB and asked some folks if they are going to watch Blu Ray movies, they said hell yes. They did not want to pay $1000 for a BD player but since they can get a gaming console and a BD for essentially for free that is a good thing.

There were a large number of folks I talked to that said they had a list of Blu Ray movies they were going to buy when the store opened and they got their PS3.

Only naive HD-DVD zealot believes that the PS3 will have near zero impact on the HD disc war. There are reviews that the PS3 has better PQ than the Samsung Blu Ray when playing BD movies.

I know several people that have 360s and none of them are going to get the HD-DVD add on. That is not to say that noone is going to get it. My argument is that the HD disc war is not near as one sided as the HD-DVD zealots think.

In another month Blu Ray players will far out number HD-DVD players. This was all part of Sony's grand plan.
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Consider this, a Blu Ray disc player runs around $1000-$1200. The lower PS3 costs $500 and plays Blu Ray movies. I was at CC and BB and asked some folks if they are going to watch Blu Ray movies, they said hell yes. They did not want to pay $1000 for a BD player but since they can get a gaming console and a BD for essentially for free that is a good thing.

There were a large number of folks I talked to that said they had a list of Blu Ray movies they were going to buy when the store opened and they got their PS3.

Only naive HD-DVD zealot believes that the PS3 will have near zero impact on the HD disc war. There are reviews that the PS3 has better PQ than the Samsung Blu Ray when playing BD movies.

I know several people that have 360s and none of them are going to get the HD-DVD add on. That is not to say that noone is going to get it. My argument is that the HD disc war is not near as one sided as the HD-DVD zealots think.

In another month Blu Ray players will far out number HD-DVD players. This was all part of Sony's grand plan.
I can't argue your last line - obviously they'll outnumber it - its a fact. But does it really matter? The key is knowing what percentage of them will be used for playing movies.

And there are bound to be plenty of people that WILL use their PS3 for movies. But there are also going to be many that won't. Or if they have a small TV and see that there is no difference, might only do it once.

Will it have an impact? YES. Will it make bluray the winner? NO.

The bigger question - How many HD-DVD units will Microsoft make? If they can keep up with demand (whatever that may be) then it could very well even the playing field. Just because Bluray camp can state that there are more players in existence doesn't mean a thing if the people that own them don't buy movies.

For those that said they had a list of movies they were going to buy - I am curious. Did you ask them what type of TV they had?

EDIT - I just wonder - How much people buying the PS3 actually even know about bluray. If they know what they hear from sony, then all they know is its better. They may not even know it requires an HD set.
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In another month Blu Ray players will far out number HD-DVD players. This was all part of Sony's grand plan.

Did their grand plan include drastically over-estimating the number of PS3s that were going to be available at launch? Did it include putting out movies with poor transfers and bit-starved, old codecs?

It remains to be seen what the attach rate will be when it comes to PS3s and BDs. If it's anything like the Japanese attach rate for the PS3 (less than one game per unit sold, so far) it won't make a dent in this format war.

You don't seem to get it, so let me spell it out for you again:

The PS3 is selling out because people want to play games (with framerate issues) on it.

The HD DVD add-on is selling out because people want to watch HD movies on it.


You don't own a BD player, do you? I know you don't own an HD DVD player.
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Did their grand plan include drastically over-estimating the number of PS3s that were going to be available at launch? Did it include putting out movies with poor transfers and bit-starved, old codecs?
I wonder if it included bundling one of the worst movies I've seen. And if a movie entertains me, I'd say it was good. That movie is just crap. It tried so hard to be funny that it just wasn't. I watched 30 minutes of it at a hotel the other night and then turned it off.

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The PS3 is selling out because people want to play games (with framerate issues) on it.

The HD DVD add-on is selling out because people want to watch HD movies on it.
Ain't that the truth. And much more important in determining any kind of decision that a studio may make - i.e. supporting just one format or adding support to the other.
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I can't argue your last line - obviously they'll outnumber it - its a fact. But does it really matter? The key is knowing what percentage of them will be used for playing movies.

And there are bound to be plenty of people that WILL use their PS3 for movies. But there are also going to be many that won't. Or if they have a small TV and see that there is no difference, might only do it once.

Will it have an impact? YES. Will it make bluray the winner? NO.

The bigger question - How many HD-DVD units will Microsoft make? If they can keep up with demand (whatever that may be) then it could very well even the playing field. Just because Bluray camp can state that there are more players in existence doesn't mean a thing if the people that own them don't buy movies.

For those that said they had a list of movies they were going to buy - I am curious. Did you ask them what type of TV they had?

EDIT - I just wonder - How much people buying the PS3 actually even know about bluray. If they know what they hear from sony, then all they know is its better. They may not even know it requires an HD set.
Remember this as well. The overwhelming vast majority of people that own 360s dont's own an HDTV. So buying an HD-DVD add on would not benefit them at all since they can only watch material at 480i.

The vast majority of folks that are buying a PS3 don't own an HDTV either.

You can then reason that people that buy the HD-DVD add on intend to watch HD-DVDs. I am going to gather that less than 5% of people that own a 360 will even think of buying the add-on.

The whole numbers thing will be the telling differnce. The movie studios will see that there are more Blu Ray players than HD-DVD players so they will escalate their library of Blu Ray titles.

Sony has assured themselves that they won't ever be removed from the HD disc format. The movie studios are going to say "there are millions upon millions of BD players out there so we need to tap that market". Sony hit a home run by doing what they did with the PS3.

All in all the HD disc war is FAR from over. For me that kind of sucks, I am wanting someone to win and the price of the players to go down to about $200. If M$ would integrate an HD-DVD drive into lets say XBOB 360 V2 it would prove very interesting.
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