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Old 01-08-2017, 01:11 PM   #1
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According to figures provided by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), 2016 ended with 110 titles available and nearly 20 million software units sold in the U.S. An additional 250 Ultra HD Blu-ray titles are set to be released in 2017 from a list of studios that includes Sony, Warner, Fox, Lionsgate and Universal. On the hardware front, CES has seen Sony, LG and Oppo joining Samsung, Philips, Panasonic and Microsoft’s Xbox One S as participating brands. Other than Xbox, which does not participate in CES, all brands were showing new models, with many including the promise of updates to add Dolby Vision compatibility with software updates within the next quarter.

Unit sales in 2016 were over 300,000, placing the new format at three times the sales penetration of Blu-ray players at a parallel time in the underlying format’s original launch.
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Driving the message home will be “sizzle reels” and a consumer education brochure for dealer use, and new consumer-facing website, all pointing to the benefit of Ultra HD Blu-ray. Also key to increasing awareness for the UltraHD Blu ray value proposition will be a strong emphasis on the benefits of High Dynamic Range and expanded, wide color gamut on the video side and immersive, object-based sound formats on the audio side.

To be sure, streaming media is, and will remain, a large part of the 4K content-delivery ecosystem. Indeed, many of the new players include access streaming services, but the clear picture is that both will continue to promote their benefits. Physical media, in the form of Ultra HD Blu-ray will continue increase its presence in 2017 if the activities at CES 2017 are any indication.
http://www.twice.com/news/blu-raydvd...ans-2017/63944
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There seems to be some confusion as to whether there are actually 250 more titles coming out in 2017, or whether there will be 250 total. The later seems more likely to me, since 250 would be double the monthly output of 2016 and that would have to take the form mainly in increased catalogs, and I doubt there is a market for that quantity yet (not to mention UHD BD is an 4k and/or HDR format, which greatly limits the viable content available).
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There seems to be some confusion as to whether there are actually 250 more titles coming out in 2017, or whether there will be 250 total. The later seems more likely to me, since 250 would be double the monthly output of 2016 and that would have to take the form mainly in increased catalogs, and I doubt there is a market for that quantity yet (not to mention UHD BD is an 4k and/or HDR format, which greatly limits the viable content available).
No confusion Bruce. 110 were released in 2016 - another 250 to be released in 2017 for a total of 360 by the end of 2017.

Hollywood doesn't have to resort to using old catalog titles to achieve that 250 number. The biggest challenge (expense) is remastering non Dolby Vision movies to HDR.

WB has a bunch of movies that are encoded for Dolby Vision and are available on VUDU - not available on UHD BD.
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No confusion Bruce. 110 were released in 2016 - another 250 to be released in 2017 for a total of 360 by the end of 2017.

Hollywood doesn't have to resort to using old catalog titles to achieve that 250 number. The biggest challenge (expense) is remastering non Dolby Vision movies to HDR.

WB has a bunch of movies that are encoded for Dolby Vision and are available on VUDU - not available on UHD BD.
Well some people are confused by the wording (on the DEG Report) on other forums (admittedly myself as well), as 250 seems really optimistic.
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Well some people are confused by the wording (on the DEG Report) on other forums (admittedly myself as well), as 250 seems really optimistic.
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According to figures provided by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), 2016 ended with 110 titles available and nearly 20 million software units sold in the U.S. An additional 250 Ultra HD Blu-ray titles are set to be released in 2017 from a list of studios that includes Sony, Warner, Fox, Lionsgate and Universal
That seems pretty clear to me. It's coming from the BDA.
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That seems pretty clear to me. It's coming from the BDA.
No. That's coming from Twice.com, which got its info from the DEG Report.

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The launch this year of Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc has been remarkably successful, DEG says. Year-end numbers show there are now 110 Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc titles in the market, with 250 titles projected by the DEG to be available in 2017
By that wording it appears more likely that the 250 titles includes the 2016 releases.
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No. That's coming from Twice.com, which got its info from the DEG Report.



By that wording it appears more likely that the 250 titles includes the 2016 releases.

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According to figures provided by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), 2016 ended with 110 titles available and nearly 20 million software units sold in the U.S. An additional 250 Ultra HD Blu-ray titles are set to be released in 2017 from a list of studios that includes Sony, Warner, Fox, Lionsgate and Universal.
From the BDA: 110 titles in 2016 and AN ADDITIONAL 250 to be released in 2017.

Bruce - that's plain English!
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From the BDA: 110 titles in 2016 and AN ADDITIONAL 250 to be released in 2017.

Bruce - that's plain English!
I still think they got their info from the DEG Report. I highly doubt we'll see that many new releases in 2017.
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I still think they got their info from the DEG Report. I highly doubt we'll see that many new releases in 2017.
According to figures provided by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA)

So you think that's not correct?

You can doubt all you want. The studios see the success of UHD BD. Everyone knows that UHD needs is more content. Netflix and Amazon can't "carry the ball" alone.

8 new UHD BD players were announced at CES 2017. Going from 110 titles in one year to 250 isn't a big stretch at all.
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According to figures provided by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA)

So you think that's not correct?

You can doubt all you want. The studios see the success of UHD BD. Everyone knows that UHD needs is more content. Netflix and Amazon can't "carry the ball" alone.

8 new UHD BD players were announced at CES 2017. Going from 110 titles in one year to 250 isn't a big stretch at all.
Yeah I think it's been misinterpreted by Twice.com. The DEG Report seems to indicate 250 "total" by 2017 (if it were 250 additional, then they would have made that clear) and because 250 is an unrealistic number in my opinion. I guess we'll see who closer to being right by the EOY.
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Yeah I think it's been misinterpreted by Twice.com. The DEG Report seems to indicate 250 "total" by 2017 (if it were 250 additional, then they would have made that clear) and because 250 is an unrealistic number in my opinion. I guess we'll see who closer to being right by the EOY.
There are already 80 movies that are encoded with Dolby Vision. We know they will be releasing 4K UHD BDs with DV this year. If all they intend to release are an additional 140 titles in 2017 . . . the math isn't adding up.
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There are already 80 movies that are encoded with Dolby Vision. We know they will be releasing 4K UHD BDs with DV this year. If all they intend to release are an additional 140 titles in 2017 . . . the math isn't adding up.
Most of those movies have already been released on UHD BD. You're assuming they are all going to have a DV reissue this year?
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Most of those movies have already been released on UHD BD. You're assuming they are all going to have a DV reissue this year?
All these movies are already on 4K UHD BD?


WARNER BROS:

San Andreas
Pan
In the Heart of the Sea
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Mad Max: Fury Road
The Man from U.N.C.L.E
American Sniper
Man of Steel
Jupiter Ascending
The Lego Movie
The Great Gatsby
Sherlock Holmes
Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows
Magic Mike XXL
The Gallows
Edge of*Tomorrow
The*Hangover*trilogy

UNIVERSAL:

Everest
The Huntsman: Winter's War
Lucy
Oblivion
Lone Survivor

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The Hunger Games: Mockingjay — Part 2
The Divergent Series: Allegiant
Now You See Me 2
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All these movies are already on 4K UHD BD?




WARNER BROS:

San Andreas
Pan
In the Heart of the Sea
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Mad Max: Fury Road
The Man from U.N.C.L.E
American Sniper

Man of Steel
Jupiter Ascending
The Lego Movie
The Great Gatsby
Sherlock Holmes
Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows
Magic Mike XXL
The Gallows

Edge of*Tomorrow
The*Hangover*trilogy

UNIVERSAL:

Everest
The Huntsman: Winter's War
Lucy
Oblivion
Lone Survivor

LIONSGATE:

The Hunger Games: Mockingjay — Part 2
The Divergent Series: Allegiant
Now You See Me 2
I said most, not all. 8 or 9 of the Warner movies on the list aren't on UHD (the ones I bolded), but the rest are.
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I said most, not all. 8 or 9 of the Warner movies on the list aren't on UHD (the ones I bolded), but the rest are.
So what is stopping the studios from reissuing the movies already out in HDR 10 in Dolby Vision HDR?
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