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Muscle Cars Forever!
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I'm sure Netflix is going to continue to shun disc based subscriptions. There are idiots to continue to do so.
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High Definition is the definition of life.
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It might be out of Netflixs' hands
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EOY 2010 report - BD PBD penetration = "27.5 million homes" Q1 2011 report - BD PBD penetration = "nearly 30 million homes" Last edited by Lee Stewart; 04-29-2012 at 03:12 PM. |
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DEG and HMM had almost the same OD sell through numbers. Very close!
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Blu-ray up +23% Catalog titles on Blu-ray Disc were up up +27% TV on Blu-ray sales soared up +54% Theatrical movies on DVD+BD up +2% OD only down -1% EST up +17% Redbox up +30.1% Netflix Subscription Streaming +545.5% (including conversion from DVD by mail)
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That's interesting details on those sub categories there for Blu-ray and DVD.
Blu-ray catalog sales and TV on Blu-ray did even better than Blu-ray as a whole. Quote:
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High Definition is the definition of life.
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It looks like the DEG decided to not alter 2011 numbers, which means OD rental is going to show a ton of decline this year:
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Deadline Hollywood has also posted the numbers.
And they actually show responsible journalism by simply not pimping up what the DEG stated without at least acknowledging important data: Quote:
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So DEG offers up an over-inflated Redbox number and they too lap it up without doing just a little basic research. Took me less than 60 seconds to spot it and confirm the error. |
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The DEG reported $348 million for OD subscription revenue. Netflix reported $320 million. As Blockbuster-by-mail is the only other game in town, that brings their revenue in at $28 million for the quarter. Netflix reported average revenue for paying subs at $32.13 for the quarter. If Blockbuster had the same average revenue per subscriber, that would mean they have ~ 872,000 paying subs. That is down significantly for Blockbuster from when they were right around 3 million subs at the beginning of 2007. |
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I updated the OD table with the reported DEG figures (some derived), just to show how close it was with HMM. I'll tweak the figures as necessary when they release the consumer spending chart.
Updated thru week ending 4/14/12 Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG) numbers are in (revenue) millions. Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine Code:
2012 HMM 2320.56 -3.3% 1773.69 -7.0% 546.87 10.7% 23.6% 2599.2 2878.6 Week Date OD OD YoY DVD DVD YoY BD BD YoY BD Share TBO2012 TBO2011 15 4/14 107.78 -42.5% 85.63 -37.4% 22.15 -56.2% 20.6% 51.3 314.8 14 4/7 201.90 13.9% 156.28 20.0% 45.62 -3.0% 22.6% 153.2 427.4 Q1 DEG 2060.00 -0.4% 1559.39 -6.1% 500.61 23.0% 24.3% Q1 HMM 2010.88 -1.2% 1531.78 -6.6% 479.10 20.9% 23.8% 2394.7 2136.4 13 3/31 155.29 -19.9% 120.32 -17.4% 34.98 -27.6% 22.5% 168.6 319.2 12 3/24 148.56 8.5% 108.20 -2.8% 40.36 57.9% 27.2% 353.9 219.4 11 3/17 146.48 4.6% 112.13 -1.4% 34.34 30.2% 23.4% 276.1 154.2 10 3/10 165.27 9.5% 123.11 2.7% 42.16 35.7% 25.5% 216.0 177.1 9 3/3 150.39 -14.0% 115.29 -13.4% 35.10 -15.7% 23.3% 67.0 112.3 8 2/25 158.98 -2.2% 122.04 -7.3% 36.94 19.4% 23.2% 272.1 258.0 7 2/18 207.15 18.9% 160.38 10.4% 46.77 61.7% 22.6% 16.4 86.2 6 2/11 205.54 19.4% 151.09 3.1% 54.45 104.2% 26.5% 316.5 224.0 5 2/4 144.90 -8.6% 110.25 -16.0% 34.65 27.1% 23.9% 118.5 23.0 4 1/28 131.95 -13.6% 98.40 -20.2% 33.55 14.2% 25.4% 226.3 201.2 3 1/21 129.39 -2.4% 103.53 -4.9% 25.86 8.9% 20.0% 112.7 60.7 2 1/14 128.65 -5.1% 100.16 -7.7% 28.49 5.6% 22.1% 143.4 116.2 1 1/7 138.33 -8.0% 106.88 -11.6% 31.45 7.0% 22.7% 157.7 134.3 2011 DEG 8951.80 -13.2% 6851.80 -19.5% 2150.00 19.4% 24.0% 2011 HMM 8604.20 -13.9% 6608.28 -20.3% 1995.92 17.7% 23.2% 9936.0 10820.9 Q4 DEG 3338.95 -11.0% 2464.81 -16.5% 924.14 15.5% 27.7% Q4 HMM 3125.11 -12.4% 2280.75 -19.5% 844.36 15.1% 27.0% 3698.4 3932.2 52 12/31 174.13 -25.6% 130.29 -28.7% 43.84 -14.7% 25.2% 64.3 95.9 51 12/24 482.11 -13.1% 368.59 -16.9% 113.52 2.2% 23.5% 205.6 303.6 50 12/17 369.89 -23.4% 280.58 -26.8% 89.31 -10.1% 24.1% 360.7 635.3 49 12/10 322.48 -14.5% 243.85 -18.6% 78.63 1.5% 24.4% 624.8 535.6 48 12/3 229.49 -23.3% 173.97 -27.5% 55.52 -6.2% 24.2% 282.0 496.0 47 11/26 388.67 -12.4% 300.39 -16.5% 88.28 5.0% 22.7% 194.5 185.3 46 11/19 166.84 -14.3% 127.57 -18.0% 39.27 0.5% 23.5% 41.6 359.0 45 11/12 183.17 2.5% 128.95 -12.0% 54.22 68.3% 29.6% 422.9 251.3 44 11/5 167.53 -16.8% 117.59 -22.8% 49.94 2.0% 29.8% 335.6 414.9 43 10/29 147.15 11.2% 96.66 -11.3% 50.49 115.6% 33.6% 204.5 108.7 42 10/22 156.94 9.5% 95.94 -17.1% 61.00 120.8% 38.9% 370.0 56.0 41 10/15 152.92 -2.4% 106.50 -14.1% 46.42 42.2% 30.4% 343.3 233.0 40 10/8 183.79 9.3% 109.87 -9.4% 73.92 57.7% 40.2% 248.6 257.6 Q3 DEG 1742.79 -4.0% 1320.93 -14.7% 421.86 58.0% 24.2% Q3 HMM 1667.09 -4.9% 1298.39 -13.9% 368.70 49.9% 22.1% 1806.3 1609.5 39 10/1 152.58 -14.3% 109.97 -20.4% 42.61 7.1% 27.9% 352.1 382.7 38 9/24 153.60 5.0% 108.69 -12.5% 44.91 103.6% 29.2% 169.3 112.5 37 9/17 164.69 14.0% 107.37 -14.2% 57.32 197.2% 34.8% 190.8 165.2 36 9/10 128.84 0.0% 102.29 -10.5% 26.55 82.9% 20.6% 189.3 60.3 35 9/3 119.04 -9.5% 100.87 -13.7% 18.17 23.5% 15.3% 65.6 95.1 34 8/27 109.34 -13.1% 91.74 -16.6% 17.60 11.5% 16.1% 12.6 45.3 33 8/20 124.53 -4.4% 101.11 -12.8% 23.42 63.3% 18.8% 100.8 81.2 32 8/13 122.13 -1.8% 98.44 -9.5% 23.69 51.8% 19.4% 118.0 143.9 31 8/6 139.66 1.4% 111.78 -3.6% 27.88 27.9% 20.0% 189.8 133.5 30 7/30 108.78 -18.3% 89.06 -20.2% 19.72 -8.7% 18.1% 56.8 177.2 29 7/23 120.50 -1.9% 97.25 -9.4% 23.25 49.9% 19.3% 88.3 72.7 28 7/16 118.09 -4.8% 94.88 -13.5% 23.21 61.7% 19.7% 267.8 94.7 27 7/9 105.31 -16.7% 84.94 -22.7% 20.37 22.9% 19.3% 5.1 45.2 Q2 DEG 1831 -15.0% 1434 -18.8% 397 9.4% 21.7% Q2 HMM 1791.55 -12.2% 1402.94 -16.7% 388.61 9.1% 21.7% 2314.8 2422.0 26 7/2 127.11 -12.3% 96.32 -21.6% 30.79 39.4% 24.2% 102.3 181.4 25 6/25 123.25 -7.7% 98.18 -12.8% 25.07 20.1% 20.3% 205.4 85.8 24 6/18 149.89 -11.2% 114.68 -17.7% 35.21 19.5% 23.5% 208.2 142.8 23 6/11 130.81 -13.6% 103.23 -18.6% 27.58 12.3% 21.1% 305.0 152.6 22 6/4 118.16 -34.1% 96.17 -32.8% 21.99 -39.1% 18.6% 15.8 386.8 21 5/28 113.83 -16.6% 91.37 -22.9% 22.46 24.9% 19.7% 154.4 87.9 20 5/21 111.98 -15.2% 91.84 -18.9% 20.14 7.2% 18.0% 99.8 185.7 19 5/14 111.02 -23.6% 90.00 -26.8% 21.02 -6.2% 18.9% 155.6 113.6 18 5/7 122.05 -25.2% 99.74 -29.5% 22.31 -7.7% 18.3% 141.5 106.1 17 4/30 106.99 -40.6% 86.94 -39.6% 20.05 -44.5% 18.7% 0.0 120.5 16 4/23 217.30 -8.3% 171.47 -0.3% 45.83 -29.4% 21.1% 187.5 841.3 15 4/16 184.50 48.7% 134.40 24.8% 50.10 205.3% 27.2% 314.8 8.1 14 4/9 174.66 21.6% 128.60 5.9% 46.06 107.5% 26.5% 424.5 9.4 Q1 DEG 2068 -20.0% 1661 -25.0% 407 10.0% 19.7% Q1 HMM 2020.45 -23.2% 1626.20 -28.4% 394.25 9.4% 19.5% 2116.5 2857.2 13 4/2 192.11 -36.0% 144.16 -44.6% 47.95 20.1% 25.0% 300.9 461.1 12 3/26 135.54 -49.8% 110.21 -50.9% 25.33 -44.1% 18.7% 218.0 335.6 11 3/19 138.72 -46.5% 112.58 -49.6% 26.14 -27.1% 18.8% 154.2 534.3 10 3/12 146.96 -24.4% 116.11 -30.8% 30.85 16.5% 21.0% 177.0 247.2 9 3/5 174.59 -7.2% 132.93 -15.4% 41.66 34.1% 23.9% 112.3 258.8 8 2/26 160.96 4.5% 130.35 -2.5% 30.61 50.7% 19.0% 258.0 74.9 7 2/19 172.68 -8.1% 143.99 -12.7% 28.69 25.0% 16.6% 86.2 80.1 6 2/12 172.00 -19.4% 145.34 -23.1% 26.66 8.9% 15.5% 224.0 211.0 5 2/5 158.26 -16.7% 131.08 -20.8% 27.18 11.1% 17.2% 23.0 114.6 4 1/29 151.21 -14.6% 122.05 -20.9% 29.16 27.6% 19.3% 201.2 151.6 3 1/22 131.62 -16.3% 107.98 -21.0% 23.64 14.8% 18.0% 60.7 61.0 2 1/15 135.49 -17.3% 108.51 -23.9% 26.98 27.0% 19.9% 143.3 137.8 1 1/8 150.31 -14.1% 120.91 -19.5% 29.40 18.6% 19.6% 157.7 189.2 OD = optical disc (DVD + Blu-ray) YoY = year over year percentage change TBO = total box office BD = Blu-ray
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Of course, the releases mattered. Just like in 1Q 2011 when an even steeper decline in box office strength contributed to the steep decline in that period last year.
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By the same token, OD rental decline will stabilize in the second half of the year, once the highly erroneous data split is past. But in the meantime, it's sure gonna make for some comedic YoY figures.
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