Sony Ships 4K Blu-ray Player - MSRP only $250

DonnyDC · 04-25-2012, 10:13 PM

This player is awesome without the 4K. People are spending more on Oppo players.

It has super bit mapping, this feature has previously only been available on sonys ES line of players. I dont think any other manufacture has anything similar. And it plays SACD like Oppo players. Most likely its faster too. And it has 3D conversion if thats important to you, but your 3DTV never had that feature.
Is the 4K upscaling important? I dunno Onkyo receivers have it too, obviously theres someone out there who finds it useful.

chipvideo · 04-25-2012, 10:19 PM

I wouldn't touch a sony bd player with a 10 foot pole. Odds are it has built in cinavia.

DonnyDC · 04-25-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chipvideo

I wouldn't touch a sony bd player with a 10 foot pole. Odds are it has built in cinavia.

How does that affect your average customer?

chipvideo · 04-25-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DonnyDC

How does that affect your average customer?

I could care less how the average customer is concerned. The avarage customer doesn't even own a bd player yet.

I doubt the average customer has a 4K display to utilize the upscaling this is designed for.

DonnyDC · 04-25-2012, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chipvideo

I could care less how the average customer is concerned. The avarage customer doesn't even own a bd player yet.

Sigh.. how does cinavia affect you?

Im genuinely interested as to why I shouldnt touch this player with a 10 foot pole.

Kosty · 04-25-2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DonnyDC

This player is awesome without the 4K. People are spending more on Oppo players.

It has super bit mapping, this feature has previously only been available on sonys ES line of players. I dont think any other manufacture has anything similar. And it plays SACD like Oppo players. Most likely its faster too. And it has 3D conversion if thats important to you, but your 3DTV never had that feature.
Is the 4K upscaling important? I dunno Onkyo receivers have it too, obviously theres someone out there who finds it useful.

It has super bit mapping, this feature has previously only been available on sonys ES line of players.

Wow.

That would be significant.

The Sony ES line of players that was dedicated toward the custom installer channel CEDIA type folks had really good DVD performance as well as award winning Blu-ray performance (mostly for its color accuracy and controls as almost any Blu-ray player is capable of great Blu-ray performance with common SoC chipsets).

That would imply it would have strong horsepower for standard definition upconversion as well.

1stSilverado · 04-26-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DonnyDC

Sigh.. how does cinavia affect you?

Im genuinely interested as to why I shouldnt touch this player with a 10 foot pole.

I will never touch a Samsung BD player. Purchased two and both have failed within months of purchase and became doorstops.
I would wager a guess that Chip has had a poor experience with Sony.

Malanthius · 04-26-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kosty

Yes, that's a better way of saying it to be most accurate. But the public perception of enthusiasts will be that its a 4K device and its probably going to be marketed that way as well.

As others and I have said in this thread it might have the potential of being firmware upgraded to that capability since its Sony that is working on the 4K Blu-ray specifications.

It still is a "4K capable device" since its outputting 4K to some display that can accept it but its not yet a real "4K Blu-ray" format player as that specification does not exist yet.

Funny I don't recall you hyping/pushing those 1080p upscale DVD players. Probably because they didn't have the name "Bluray" on the box. Oh the irony.

Cygnus · 04-26-2012, 11:03 AM

What is sony thinking here? How many ppl are interested in buying this? You'd think with the mistakes they have made over the years, they would have learned by now.

dangerdoc · 04-26-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Do you think this player could support a native 4K disc with a FW update? I suppose it's possible if same type of laser is used for these newer discs, right?

I really doubt that this player's SOC has the horsepower to process native 4k. I base this on the fact that it would have to be an entirely new chip design and Sony would not be selling at this price point.

This is more like an upscaling DVD player. Something to feek into their new 4k projectors until native software is available.

I would be shocked if the first native 4k player retails for less than $1000.

PSound · 04-26-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Malanthius

Funny I don't recall you hyping/pushing those 1080p upscale DVD players. Probably because they didn't have the name "Bluray" on the box. Oh the irony.

HD Goofnut · 04-26-2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dangerdoc

I really doubt that this player's SOC has the horsepower to process native 4k. I base this on the fact that it would have to be an entirely new chip design and Sony would not be selling at this price point.

This is more like an upscaling DVD player. Something to feek into their new 4k projectors until native software is available.

I would be shocked if the first native 4k player retails for less than $1000.

Could be or it could be like Lee said where the only difference is H.265 versus H.264. I guess we will find out in the next couple years.

Cygnus · 04-26-2012, 12:38 PM

All the more reason not to buy this now...

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Could be or it could be like Lee said where the only difference is H.265 versus H.264. I guess we will find out in the next couple years.

DonnyDC · 04-26-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Malanthius

Funny I don't recall you hyping/pushing those 1080p upscale DVD players. Probably because they didn't have the name "Bluray" on the box. Oh the irony.

Uh yeah? Upscaled DVD wont look like upscaled blu ray. For some reason you think its the same comparison?
"Eww you bought a hyundai, a poor mans honda. Thats like buying an audi instead of a lamborghini."

Lee Stewart · 04-26-2012, 01:39 PM

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Dual/multi-core technology can be found in computers and phones but thanks to Sony, we can also add Blu-ray players to that list. Their new Blu-ray player that goes by the name BDP-S790 uses dual-core processing power to upscale to a 4K resolution (3840 x 2160) or to convert 2D images to 3D. Obviously the player needs to connect to a display that is able to show 4k or 3D and these are only slowing becoming available.

I know very little about what the requirements would be for a true 4K BD player other then:

1. Needs H.265 codec
2. Needs 300 Mhz HDMI TX chip (available now)
3. Needs heavy duty processing power

H.265 will be a standard in January 2013.

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DonnyDC High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,731	This player is awesome without the 4K. People are spending more on Oppo players. It has super bit mapping, this feature has previously only been available on sonys ES line of players. I dont think any other manufacture has anything similar. And it plays SACD like Oppo players. Most likely its faster too. And it has 3D conversion if thats important to you, but your 3DTV never had that feature. Is the 4K upscaling important? I dunno Onkyo receivers have it too, obviously theres someone out there who finds it useful. Last edited by DonnyDC; 04-25-2012 at 10:33 PM.

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