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Old 04-25-2012, 02:31 PM   #31
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So a limited amount of people may have the chance to upscale to 4k.

Yeah.... Who is spending $250 on this?
It would also be an incredibly fast Blu-ray 3D player and probably would have excellent DVD upconversion as well. Plus all the streaming apps.

It probably would make all the Netflix and Hulu streaming stuff look better as well.

At $200 or so street price, it would not be much more than other Blu-ray 3D players.
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It would also be an incredibly fast Blu-ray 3D player and probably would have excellent DVD upconversion as well. Plus all the streaming apps.
You don't know whether it it's DVD upconversion is any better than a $50 upconverting DVD player. There were many examples of cheap DVD players with better DVD upconversion than more powerful blu-ray players back in the day.

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It probably would make all the Netflix and Hulu streaming stuff look better as well.
Maybe, maybe not. Won't know until someone objectively reviews it. Unlike the one "review" up on the website, which states it is "ten times" better at upscaling DVD.

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At $200 or so street price, it would not be much more than other Blu-ray 3D players.
So far it is $250 online.

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Moore's law.

This device does seem to possess that computational power.
LOL. Moore's law means this device supports net gen H.265 content?!? That is ludicrous. There were many dual core processor PCs that couldn't even decode H.264 properly. There is no indication on Sony's web site that this device supports anything other than 1080p blu-ray. Not to mention the added DRM that likely would accompany 4K H.265 content.

You don't even know what SoC is in this box, never mind what it's capabilities are. You are simply hoping.

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At its price point its the same cost as a PS3 with more power. If you want a high end Blu-ray player, it may make sense.

Heck at $200 street price I may want one myself.
I definitely think you should buy it. For PR purposes, if nothing else.
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Old 04-25-2012, 05:39 PM   #33
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You don't know whether it it's DVD upconversion is any better than a $50 upconverting DVD player. There were many examples of cheap DVD players with better DVD upconversion than more powerful blu-ray players back in the day.

Maybe, maybe not. Won't know until someone objectively reviews it. Unlike the one "review" up on the website, which states it is "ten times" better at upscaling DVD.

So far it is $250 online.

LOL. Moore's law means this device supports net gen H.265 content?!? That is ludicrous. There were many dual core processor PCs that couldn't even decode H.264 properly. There is no indication on Sony's web site that this device supports anything other than 1080p blu-ray. Not to mention the added DRM that likely would accompany 4K H.265 content.

You don't even know what SoC is in this box, never mind what it's capabilities are. You are simply hoping.

I definitely think you should buy it. For PR purposes, if nothing else.
The player itself is a non-story for the consumer.

But it is good fodder to keep the focus off of Blu-ray performance the last couple of weeks. I can only imagine how sheer that line is demonstrating BD YoY growth drop.
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I don't see the usefulness of the player beyond playing Blu-rays and streaming. It only upscales to 2160p and will never play 2160p content. The upscaling will only be noticeable on 4k displays, and the only 4k displays that exist now very likely have better built-in upscalers than this one. So the player upscaler will never be used.

Seems like a marketing gimmick to me and nothing else.
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I don't see the usefulness of the player beyond playing Blu-rays and streaming. It only upscales to 2160p and will never play 2160p content. The upscaling will only be noticeable on 4k displays, and the only 4k displays that exist now very likely have better built-in upscalers than this one. So the player upscaler will never be used.

Seems like a marketing gimmick to me and nothing else.
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I don't see the usefulness of the player beyond playing Blu-rays and streaming. It only upscales to 2160p and will never play 2160p content. The upscaling will only be noticeable on 4k displays, and the only 4k displays that exist now very likely have better built-in upscalers than this one. So the player upscaler will never be used.

Seems like a marketing gimmick to me and nothing else.
Yup! Which is why I can't see buying this over a 49 dollar wifi Bluray player. Not much benifit from it. I can't see many jumping at this. Hell I can't get my relatives interested in a Bluray player. They are not going to run out and buy this. I can only see hard core Bluray nerds running to get one of these. And then, MAYBE!
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if its faster at loading Blu-ray discs and has better upconversion than a PS3 with all the same or better streaming apps it could be a pretty good deal for the price point.

If it has a similar to PS3 media crossbar interface and makes it easier to use with other Sony products then it could be an attractive option for many high end users.

Obviously we won't know until we see it in action and get some good reviews but if they are positioning it as a high end upconverting player as a strength it would make sense they would harness some of its processing power to not only potentially upconvert Blu-ray quality HD video well but also standard definition content to 1080p as well.
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I don't see the usefulness of the player beyond playing Blu-rays and streaming. It only upscales to 2160p and will never play 2160p content. The upscaling will only be noticeable on 4k displays, and the only 4k displays that exist now very likely have better built-in upscalers than this one. So the player upscaler will never be used.

Seems like a marketing gimmick to me and nothing else.
As a flagship product with that capability that's a pretty modest price point that will get attention.

Even if that 4K capability would never be used, having it being capable of that pretty much ensures that it would be a pretty good performing normal Blu-ray and Blu-ray 3D and streaming device as well.

Just like most any 3D HDTV on the market is a well above average regular HDTV display as just having the capability to do the next generation processing and display capability means it has to be able ot do the older generation processing and display at an above average level.

The thing that makes it attractive, regardless of the potential use of the 4K capability is the price point at a modest $250 MSRP.
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The player itself is a non-story for the consumer.

But it is good fodder to keep the focus off of Blu-ray performance the last couple of weeks. I can only imagine how sheer that line is demonstrating BD YoY growth drop.
I'm sure the consumer electronic and Blu-ray player line managers at Sony could care less about the last week's cumulative statistics for Blu-ray sales for the industry as a whole or what they were on week 15 of 52 weeks for the year.

Besides weeks like the next one coming up of Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol and others in the year will probably take care of those things all by itself.
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I don't see the usefulness of the player beyond playing Blu-rays and streaming. It only upscales to 2160p and will never play 2160p content. The upscaling will only be noticeable on 4k displays, and the only 4k displays that exist now very likely have better built-in upscalers than this one. So the player upscaler will never be used.

Seems like a marketing gimmick to me and nothing else.
Yep. It is even ddd that it was even posted in a media sub-forum as there is nothing really notable about its ability to playback media.

Pure marketing gimmick.
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Yep. It is even ddd that it was even posted in a media sub-forum as there is nothing really notable about its ability to playback media.

Pure marketing gimmick.
The subforum here is a discussion of high definition media and issues not only considering its current performance but also future developments.

Since this is the first 4K capable device on the market and it has some relevance to the future extensions of the high definition Blu-ray format makes it an interesting topic for discussion. Sorry you disagree.

I do not open threads as a "marketing gimmick" and its hardly going to make an impact on its sales or much of a diversion by its discussion of any its merits or lack there of by the comments here.

I'd just thought it an interesting topic as its the first consumer device as an extension into the resolution of 4K by any Blu-ray device and I thought some would find it interesting as well. Plus I wanted to get some of your's take on the release of this 4K player, even your's.
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I don't see the usefulness of the player beyond playing Blu-rays and streaming. It only upscales to 2160p and will never play 2160p content. The upscaling will only be noticeable on 4k displays, and the only 4k displays that exist now very likely have better built-in upscalers than this one. So the player upscaler will never be used.

Seems like a marketing gimmick to me and nothing else.
Yep. This is exactly what it is. The only problem is hardly anyone has a device to upconvert it too.
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The subforum here is a discussion of high definition media and issues not only considering its current performance but also future developments.

Since this is the first 4K capable device on the market and it has some relevance to the future extensions of the high definition Blu-ray format makes it an interesting topic for discussion. Sorry you disagree.

I do not open threads as a "marketing gimmick" and its hardly going to make an impact on its sales or much of a diversion by its discussion of any its merits or lack there of by the comments here.

I'd just thought it an interesting topic as its the first consumer device as an extension into the resolution of 4K by any Blu-ray device and I thought some would find it interesting as well. Plus I wanted to get some of your's take on the release of this 4K player, even your's.
Not to be argumentative . . .

This is not a 4K BD player. It is a BD player that can upscale 2K to 4K.

As you know, at this time, there is no such thing as a 4K BD, as that format has yet to be released by the BDA.
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Not to be argumentative . . .

This is not a 4K BD player. It is a BD player that can upscale 2K to 4K.

As you know, at this time, there is no such thing as a 4K BD, as that format has yet to be released by the BDA.
Yes, that's a better way of saying it to be most accurate. But the public perception of enthusiasts will be that its a 4K device and its probably going to be marketed that way as well.

As others and I have said in this thread it might have the potential of being firmware upgraded to that capability since its Sony that is working on the 4K Blu-ray specifications.

It still is a "4K capable device" since its outputting 4K to some display that can accept it but its not yet a real "4K Blu-ray" format player as that specification does not exist yet.
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I think the public has learned the bogus claims of upconverting over the last decade. The 4K device already has a better upconverter than the POS bd upconverter itself. It is going to be a BAD seller.
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